Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225421#Comment_122225421

Absolutely. Sunak, Biden, Macron etc… are filth.

Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225686#Comment_122225686

But how can the 'non-Hamas supporting" Palestinians including all children stand up to Hamas and get them to stop hiding among them for protection? Hamas are their fathers,sons, grandsons, cousins, teachers, doctors, police, aid workers etc al. Should they even try, they will be ostracised at best, which, in these awful times means death anyway, and at worst they will be executed. If there is any glimmer of hope it might be that the reports that Iran/Hezbollah don't really want to go to war in the north now and will desist if Gaza settles. Israel threatening upping the ante in the north may put pressure on Hamas to accept some part of the deal and keep Iran happy. Until the next time. The religious parties would prop up Netanyahu's gov to accept some parts of the deal (which he'll entertain far quicker that he would Lapid) but then doing that would bite him in the ass quicker than a snake and be worse than the loons Ben Gvir and Smotritch. Meanwhile, hostages, dead and half alive waiting and prisoners waiting to be exchanged in large numbers for them and exhausted people being killed and soldiers being killed and people with no homes anymore or being unabe to safely return to their homes. And how much the US is mentioned on here but a huge absence of references to Iran.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225609#Comment_122225609

Who started the war? The same warmongers who start every war in the region

Israel starts wars too you know. Don’t try and slip this lie past anyone again.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225713#Comment_122225713

"How can this be truly achieved when you brutalise people through collective punishment.? You in effect create a breeding ground for the likes of Hamas to recruit embittered and traumatised people"

Like the Houthis in Yemen who launch (ineffectively) rockets at Israel. Or Hezbollah? Or the IRG?

The people being recruited really have to decide to be recruits. If their choice is that, or die, they'll be recruits. Palestinians in Gaza have protested Hamas for some time, in fact, this writer talks about the psychopaths in Hamas holding all Gazans as their prisoners.

https://www.newsweek.com/my-fellow-gazans-we-must-demand-release-israeli-hostages-opinion-1863290

There are always going to be willing martyrs surrounding Israel. As for 'truly,' well, depends how you define truly, but stopping the rocket launchers and surrendering the leadership would be a start. Getting people like that author in positions of power would help, too.

Sudden Valley

Really seems that Hamas, Biden, and Israel have different perceptions of what is in this ceasefire deal. Biden may be getting desperate with the ridiculous suggestion from Netanyahu that he be allowed continue this mass killing for another 7 months.

Hamas may be cruel but I don't think they are suicidal enough to agree to give up their only bargaining chip, the hostages, without the guarantee of their own survival.

Overheal

In Jerusalem yesterday, a mob attacks a journalist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/vKdPkUmCmV

Third person angle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/zXbKGcBbMd

Israeli security forces did nothing to stop the violence but removed the journalist from covering the mob

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224047#Comment_122224047

 Do you think the Palestinian people are responsible for what Hamas do ? if so can you explain that to me.

Wholly and collectively, No.

Partly, Yes.

Fatah wont hold elections in the West Bank because they fear Hamas coming to power, so they enjoy huge support there.

They also enjoy huge support in Gaza. As you said, they were elected to power, so they bear some culpability.

You cant devoid these facts from reality and think that Hamas were somehow beamed down from space to 'take' over the place.

iamstop

The UK have been pretty good at keeping quite about their complicity in the genocide in Gaza and letting the US take the brunt of the public backlash.

https://youtu.be/ecWUdwkelvM?si=eh7Sb4s-NQV8wOnL

iamstop

https://youtu.be/EuRkyIaXLxg?si=UG8NyWml1Acqn13s

This guy gets it.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227110#Comment_122227110

The most casualties are on the non-Israeli side, for sure. Stop starting wars, stop goading Israel into wars by massing on its borders, and fewer will die.

Overheal

Ireland has already recognized Palestine. Trying to act like they don’t exist is the dumbest asspull yet.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225421#Comment_122225421

And all they have to do is say that there was a Hamas terrorist in the area even when there wasn't

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122223594#Comment_122223594

Israelis are shouting for elections to throw Netanyahu out; they haven't voted for his government since October 7th. And, it's a coalition government, so plenty of Israeli's didn't vote for him.

At present, there aren't any politics in Gaza. Haven't been for awhile.

Gaza can stop the war. Agree to the ceasefire, agree to return the hostages, those that might still be alive.

gym_imposter

The whole thing is so incredibly grim, any comparisons between Israel and south Africa pre 1994 are completely unfair to South Africa

Israel makes that regime appear benign

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227195#Comment_122227195

That guy is ex Mossad, he's a loon who has appeared on with Piers Morgan,Abby Martin destroyed him during one particular appearance

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227703#Comment_122227703

That was meant to reflect on the 'Israel started the 6 days war' meme here. They fired the first shots, but they were surrounded by sabre-rattling enemies.

Nor can Israel get away from its enemies, either.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227579#Comment_122227579

Well if an election is held soon, Israelis can prove they aren't extremist by throwing out Bibi

The Israeli electorate is given far too easy of a ride for the choices they have made down the years

Only Palestinians are scolded for ballot box choices

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227746#Comment_122227746

No, I think there's been plenty of grief about Israeli elections on this site for some time.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227752#Comment_122227752

I meant in international commentary, constant comments about people in Gaza voting Hamas etc , no hard questions of the Israeli electorate

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227756#Comment_122227756

Oct 7 led to this 'intensification' that can end with release of hostages and agreement to the ceasefire. With thousands of rockets launched from Gaza and elsewhere long before Oct 7, and acts of violence on all sides ongoing till today, there's no way Oct 7 was the start. I don't think I've ever claimed it was.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227779#Comment_122227779

go on keep going, what intensification led to October 7?

Ill give you a hint it didn’t just happen on a whim.

Balagan1

RTE website wasted no time in reporting a few hours ago on a Houthi military spokesman claiming a number of strikes on the port of Haifa despite no evidence and carrying no updates of denials by Israel. Shoddy reporting at best.

Fr D Maugire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225609#Comment_122225609

More absolute guff from pro-Israeli posters. Don't Start Wars, what nonsense. How about Western nations stop making stupid decisions that guarantee wars. Western powers made decisions on what should happen in the middle-east whilst gaslighting, plain lying, sidelining and completely ignoring the locals in all decisions and are shocked when their Western decisions are not accepted. I mean why should the wishes of the local population matter when the Western powers are involved?

The only people who bothered to ask the Arabs what they would like to see happen in the Middle East after WW1 were ironically the Americans with the King-Crane commission, the results of which rejected the creation of a Jewish state as almost the entire Middle-East opposed it, and the commission highlighted how any such state would guarantee wars if it happened. But hey, those ridiculous Arabs should just accept whatever the Western powers dictate and behave themselves, right? No grandeur ideas like democracy or self-determination for those stupid Arabs, Western interests take precedent.

As for Arab infighting, anyone else notice there is an ongoing war in Europe right now, or how about that affair that was ongoing in the Balkans some 30 years or that conflict that lasted in NI for 30 years or that huge war of which part of is being commemorated today. Who the hell are we as Europeans to be lecturing about Arab infighting. The main difference being European wars were all self inflicted, no Arabs telling us what to do or deciding where our borders should be or creating countries out of nothing for people who do not even live on the same continent. Every European conflict has been a results of European stupidity, every war in the middle-east has been more or less as a result of Western interference, particularly post WW1.

Don't start wars, yeah nobody has been better starting wars than Europeans even when it does not concern them. The Israel-Palestine situation was created by European powers for European Zionists with zero input from the people that mattered, the native population and has gone exactly as was predicted from 100 years ago.

CorneliusBrown

buh buh buh Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and Christian’s and gays are allowed to live with Jews in their ancestral homeland that predates Carthage (it’s in the bible)

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228397#Comment_122228397

The double standards are appalling, makes a mockery of everything Biden say's about Ukraine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228562#Comment_122228562

More anti western rhetoric.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122226877#Comment_122226877

Irish history should have taught you, if you suppress, degrade, humiliate, starve, kill a population then a small select few will fight back, Hamas exists because of Israeli actions. They got elected in nearly 20 yrs ago and they hold power with the gun, and you think that palestian people are responsible for what Hamas do. You've some warped twisted views.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228841#Comment_122228841

Bibi isn’t bombing women and children by the tens of thousands for the sake of gay and womens rights. Not that you give a ****.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228884#Comment_122228884

Look at the population growth in Gaza, it's over 2 million now, only a small fraction are actually dying.

There has only been false accusations of rape but no actual proof. Hamas are doing their best to spread these type of rumours.

The next time Hamas call around to their home to ask to stay as guests or burrow a tunnel underneat. They can tell hamas to go f**k off, and they won't be dying for their stupid cause.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228841#Comment_122228841

Says the guys who supports bombing them.