Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

pjohnson

We should give Iran our full unconditional support to solve the Israeli problem!

SonicSuper

Hezbollah doubling down this morning and saying the attack had nothing to do with them. It makes zero sense for them to attack a soccer field full of kids that's not their modus operandi, Israel on the other hand…

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435491#Comment_122435491

If it wasn't them then who was it? Sounds like something Hamas would do but is it too far away from the Gaza strip?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435568#Comment_122435568

The timing certainly suited Bibi.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435637#Comment_122435637

Did you ever notice how every time there's a big international announcement or event regarding Israel they seem to miraculously find a few hostages or bodies a few hours later? I hope that a few years from now someone actually investigates just how much info the IDF has regarding where the hostages are and when they are rescued.

Regardless, I read that Hezbollah did claim they fired rockets at a target only 3kms away from where the people were killed, it's almost a certainty they are responsible for firing the rocket.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122434934#Comment_122434934

If Israel says then it must be true. Oh no wait, I think they've lied about almost everything.

The below absolutely sickens me. An attack by Hezbollah (no source given is headline) and a far worse attack on a school in Gaza is a sub headline and only claimed by Gaza officials.

Gaza officials have consistently told the truth while at least in my eyes Israel has zero credibility and will lie about anything to get more weapons and money from the USA.

Why the f is RTE reporting in such a manner?

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1817299314638475382

Some of the responses here are sick. Just about every Western country (US, EU, UK, etc) recognises Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation. Of course they blew up these kids.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435719#Comment_122435719

What are you on about? Just looking to be angry about something?

Afair most recent bombing of Gaza was top of their news page yesterday until that rocket attack on Israel. There is a lot of bad things happening in the world right now unfortunately.

tbh I find the laser focus on the ME a bit excessive at times.

You have to dig deeper into RTÉ website now (no top level Ukraine tab etc.) to get their reporting on the giant war going on at the border of the EU, which has far more effect on us here.

edit: other issue is difficulty for journalists of confirming what is going on in Gaza, which has to be reflected in reporting.

It is under constant attack from Israeli airforce and ground troops, very dangerous, very difficult to even get into or out of for any journalist not embedded with IDF or something. By accounts any governing authoritity has mostly broken down for good now. Afair Israel also regularly cuts off communications (internet, phone etc.) with the outside world.

SonicSuper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435568#Comment_122435568

Who gains from this in the wider picture. Who want's an excuse to do to Lebanon what they've done to Gaza?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435741#Comment_122435741

On the same day the terrorist state of Israel murdered 30 people in school and injured 100 more.

October 7

40 babies beheaded --> lies

Mass rape -→ no evidence

Civilians all killed by Hamas --> large numbers of deaths now attributed to IDf after Hannibal directive

Israel have blown up schools, universities, hospitals, almost everything in Gaza. Where to start, a policy of starving children.

You expect me to believe anything the Israeli state says?

Why not show pictures of the thousands and thousands and thousands of children Israel murdered?

I keep reminding myself of the nice Israeli people I met but Israel is a magnitude of order worse than Hezbollah. In my eyes they are the worst terrorist organisation active in the world. They can bomb Damascus and nobody even notices and on and on and on.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435741#Comment_122435741

Commentary that is oblivious to appalling double standards is sick also Francie

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435763#Comment_122435763

Then the same should be said e.g. claimed by the psycho killer state of Israel that double taps toddlers when sniping.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/19/gaza-hospitals-surgeons-00167697

But it doesn't happen like that. At least the times has balance but RTE has gone to the dogs and just been awarded 750 million by us for their Pravda reporting. I'm really angry with RTE reporting and that of the BBC and it's not just me, e.g.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/bbc-reporters-criticize-broadcaster-over-its-pro-israel-bias-coverage-of-palestine/3063212#:~:text=In%20the%20letter%2C%20the%20reporters,in%20the%20Israel%2DPalestine%20issue.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435885#Comment_122435885

I pay the licence fee and I don't ever want an RTÉ that reports world events as "claimed by psycho killer state of xxx" thanks.

Are you saying the attack on Israel did not happen, it was a bunch of "crisis actors"? What is your point? I assume it is easy enough for them to confirm there was an attack, and a number of people died (vs Gaza, for reasons I mentioned).

BTW we are not in the UK, and how the BBC reports on Israel-Palestine and the ME has very little to do with RTÉ, the ones that you criticised (and I believe made an incorrect claim about) in the original rant.

Also it is ironic that you would use an article selected from the state news agency of a kind of "managed democracy" with a wannabe dictator figure in charge (Turkey) to try and prove a claim about the BBC.

Ranting about "Pravda" operations in RTÉ when you seem to just want the reporting there to stroke your prejudices and reflect them right back at you is funny too.

edit: for sake of interest here is their current article on it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0727/1462176-golan-heights-rocket-attack/

The "lede" seems to describe the events in a neutral and accurate fashion.

A rocket attack on a football ground in the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights has killed 12 people, including children, Israeli authorities said, with Israel accusing Hezbollah of the strike but the Lebanese group denying any role.

Hezbollah denied any responsibility for the strike, the deadliest in Israel or Israeli-occupied territory since the start of the war in Gaza.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435965#Comment_122435965

Just saw this and think J Cook gives the context far better than I.

https://x.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1817365320656429265

BCC coverage of the attack on a football pitch in the Golan Heights has been intentionally misleading.

The BBC's evening news entirely ignored the fact that those killed by the blast are 12 Syrians, not Israeli citizens, and that for decades the Syrian population in the Golan has been forced to live unwillingly under an Israeli military occupation.

I suppose mention of this context might complicate the story Israel and the BBC wish to tell – and risk reminding viewers that Israel is a belligerent state occupying not just Palestinian territory but Syrian territory too (not to mention nearby Lebanese territory).

It might suggest to audiences that these various permanent Israeli occupations have been contributing not only to large-scale human rights abuses but to regional tensions as well. That Israel's acts of aggression against its neighbours might be the cause of "conflict", rather than, as Israel and the BBC would have us believe, some kind of normal, pre-emptive form of self-defence.

The BBC, of course, chose to uncritically air comments from a military spokesman for Israel, who blamed Hizbullah for the blast in the Golan.

Daniel Hagari tried to milk the incident for maximum propaganda value, arguing: "This attack shows the true face of Hizbullah, a terrorist organisation that targets and murders children playing soccer."

Except, as the BBC forgot to note, in 2014 Israel infamously targeted and murdered four young children from the Bakr family playing football on a beach in Gaza.

And much more recently, video footage showed Israel striking yet more children playing football at a school in Gaza that was serving as a shelter for families whose homes were destroyed by earlier Israeli bombs.

Doubtless other strikes in Gaza over the past 10 months, so many of them targeting school-shelters, have killed Palestinian children playing football – especially as it's one of the very few ways they can take their mind off the horror all around.

So, should we – and the BBC – not conclude that all these attacks on children playing football make the Israeli military even more of a terrorist organisation than Hizbullah?

The BBC next went to Jerusalem to hear from diplomatic editor Paul Adams. He intoned gravely:

"This is precisely what we have been worrying about for the past 10 months – that something of this magnitude would occur on the northern border, that would turn what has been a simmering conflict for all of these months into an all-out war."

So there you have it. Paul Adams and the BBC concede they haven't been worrying for the past 10 months about the genocide unfolding under their noses in Gaza, or its consequences. A genocide of Palestinians, apparently, is not something of significant "magnitude".

Only now, when Israel can exploit the deaths of Syrians forced to live under its military rule as a pretext to expand its "war", are we supposed to sit up and take notice. Or so the BBC tells us.

Hope the above answers your questions. I suggest reading a history book on Israel.

engineerws

Fwiw, there's more here.

https://jacobin.com/2024/05/bbc-gaza-reporting-bias

Good write up here too.

https://www.medialens.org/2024/aligned-with-israels-propaganda-strategy-bbc-correspondent-challenges-the-bbc-director-general/

The Irish Times on a good day might report something like that but forget about RTE.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122435851#Comment_122435851

You're just spouting a load of old waffle!

There's only one terrorist state in this war, it's Hamas, the organization that is designated as such by every Western country in the world.

Netanyahu made his war aims very clear from day one of this fight. Israel must dismantle Hamas and remove it from control of Gaza. Hamas were the aggressor in this war, Hamas are the ones who continue to fight, Hamas are the ones that use women and children as human shields, Hamas are the ones responsible for the rape and murder of Israeli's.

Until this despotic regime is removed from power, Israel can never have security.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436269#Comment_122436269

Seems like you are forgetting who is also up on genocide and war crime charges there Francie, surprise, surprise.

nacho libre

I wonder are you describing it as waffle, Francie, because you can't actually refute his specific points. You keeping repeating the same lies. Nethanyu and his ilk have no interest in long term security for Israel because that would involve making a peace agreement with the Palestinians. Bibi has said it himself.

As has been pointed out to you many times- which you run away from addressing- Bibi funded Hamas to weaken the PA. Why was that, Francie, if he was interested in peace and coming to a settlement? Bibi, as reported by the Times of Israel, boasted about funding Hamas to stall any hopes of a two state solution. Yet you still have the audacity to claim Israel just wants to live in peaceful co existence. This mistruth is also easily debunked when we see the ongoing situation in the West Bank. We know what the ICJ had to say about that but you will of course ignore that as well. Israel is very much a terrorist state and the ICJ ruling on the illegal occupation reflects that. You are not really against political violence, rather it depends who the actors involved are, as evidenced by your silence when Israel has killed children playing football. Where were the pictures from you of the Palestinan children killed?

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436234#Comment_122436234

Thanks for the helpful suggestion to go and educate myself.

Your replies have very little connection to the issue I thought we were talking about but 🤷‍♀️

They and the links say nothing about RTÉ at all, let alone give evidence of a "Pravda" -like pro-Israeli govt. bias in its reporting about Israel-Palestine.

You just claimed it was so, based on nothing, as far as I can see.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122437588#Comment_122437588

RTE as far as I can tell is identical to BBC in outlook. If you can't see that....

Furze99

What's the current revenge ratio for Netanyahu & IDF? 40:1?

If so, we may expect a few hundred Lebanese casualties till the score is settled.

combat14

alot of calls in israel to go strike iran in response to hezbollah attacks - but also calls for diplomacy we will have to see which prevails

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122436269#Comment_122436269

17,000 children murdered in Gaza Francy, with an average age of 5 years. Were Hamas hiding behind all of them Francy? Israel is the real murder machine in the region for many years before oct 7th and the amount of Gazans and West Bank civilians killed by the Israelis is terrible never mind the land grabbing, illegal arrests, shootings and beatings of civilians has been long called out. God help you if you cannot see what has been happening for so many years. But I know you can.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122437738#Comment_122437738

It's very hard to tell. It's only recently become apparent that the IDF murdered Israeli's on October 7 after the Hannibal directive was activated.

The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

So 36 children were murdered on October 7 but it's unclear how many were murdered by the IDF. Assuming all murdered by Hamas and 17,000 children murdered by the genocidal state of Israel. The child ratio is approx 472:1 but likely much higher with the lancet figure of 186,000 dead.

combat14

Erdoğan talking of invading israel - israel responds with he will end up like sadam - things at very low ebb

highpitcheric

Nato member now threatening Israel.

Another reason to never join.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122438645#Comment_122438645

NATO is a defense alliance, one member going rogue doesn't change that fact. Turkey cannot trigger article 5 if It has invaded another country, ie they are the agressor.

highpitcheric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122438658#Comment_122438658

Who knows how Israel may react. Nato membership may just make for a handy source of justification.

And if this us how Trukiye acts what might be next.

Best not get involved with such mess.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122438696#Comment_122438696

Makes no difference how Israel reacts, Turkey cannot trigger article 5 if they are the aggressors. It's a non NATO issue. NATO would not be drawn into it.

highpitcheric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122438704#Comment_122438704

Of course this is when Turkiye isnt threatening Greece, a fellow nato member.

And Turkiye borders Russia, with both under creaking, end-stage dictatorships.

Then theres the US, a big supporter of Israel, which Turkiye has just threatened. How will they react tomorrow? Or in November.

All a powder keg. Nato on the edge of war in a couple of ways.

Not for us.