Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449077#Comment_122449077

I’ve never heard of the sport, but now you have me looking it up.

https://www.nme.com/news/music/heavy-metal-knitting-world-championship-bizarre-footage-watch-uk-wins-3268379

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448629#Comment_122448629

When has OP every given a **** what the UN thinks?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447425#Comment_122447425

Ethnic and religious conflict between Jews and Arabs has been present since the 1920's.

That is no secret.

The UN then decided to partition Palestine between Jewish areas and Arab areas. This was supposed to ensure long-term peace in the region. The international community accepted this and voted for it.

The Arabs rejected it and invaded the new Israeli state in an effort to drive them back to the sea.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447441#Comment_122447441

There was the time when you embarrassed yourself when a number of points regarding deaths and starvation levels were posted and you chose to argue over a **** typo saying 80 of the world's starving people are not there in Gaza even though 80% of the world's highest grade of starving people are considered there.

Typically you f*cked off when you shown to be wrong for a few days bwfore you cane baxknwith accusatioja antisemitism and delibeeately misquoting people.

You have me confused with someone else, as I never made any such comments.

By all means quote me, it should be very simple…

Alas, you wont and cannot, because I never uttered what you stated.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447451#Comment_122447451

Which event started this conflict, in your opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercommunal_conflict_in_Mandatory_Palestine#The_conflict_(1921%E2%80%931948)

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449217#Comment_122449217

Ireland for gold in the next Olympics. Wheel out your grannies for the qualifiers.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447703#Comment_122447703

Here's the problem with that statement. Zionism has loads of meanings now.

I fully support Palestinian independence and freedon for the palestinian people. I fully support the dismantlement of the settlements and a withdrawal of israeli troops. But at the same time I recognise the state of israel exists. It's not going anywhere and it's citizens have the right to live in safety. That would make me a zionist.

However, zionist has come to mean support of all israeli actions. Support for the occupation of palestine and support for the settlements. And it's not people like me that changed that definition. It's the right wing zionists who want to occupy palestine. they're conflating support for settlements with support for israel. And they say criticism of israel is antisemetic.

So yes, I'm a zionist according to the first definition I gave. And I'm an anto zionist based on the second definition I gave. And it's the second definition that most people associate with the word zionist.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448907#Comment_122448907

Not parroting anything, it's the unfortunate logical conclusion and highlights the problem with that behaviour and why it needs to be quashed. It's basically enabling Russia, as well as damaging the legitimacy of the Ukrainian cause in most of the world outside of Europe and The US.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447635#Comment_122447635

Its also yet another episode in which why wait so long. Why did they not try this type of surgical destruction of Hamas and it's leadership before bombing Gaza into history?

Hamas had approx 40,000 members. Many of them have now been killed.

The goal of the IDF was to destroy Hamas militarily.

Its leaders live in hiding and luxury in Qatar. It is one thing doing a targeted strike in Iran, but another to do one in Qatar. Hamas know this, and why they live there.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447689#Comment_122447689

So the egregious thing is trying to rise the Israeli's, not what Israel is doing? Right…….

Yeah, let's run with your point of view.

A bunch of people, totally aware, educated and conscious of world history, shout 'Heil Hitler' and do the Nazi salute at a match that contains Israelis and Jews…….as a form of protest?

Come on to ****.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447689#Comment_122447689

Perhaps you could say the persecution of the Palestinians has its origins with the drawing of the Sykes-Picot agreement in 1916.

There was no such thing as a 'Palestinian' in 1916.

Or are you saying, the 100,000 Jews who lived there are also 'Palestinians'?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448907#Comment_122448907

The nations displaying the most outrage of a Hamas leader being killed are Russia and China.

Strange bedfellows for lads here banging on about Human Rights.

I wonder what human rights Hamas and Fatah grant their own citizens?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449203#Comment_122449203

You tell us then, why did the Arabs reject the UN resolution 181(II) and attack Israel multiple times?

You are either for international law or not. But it seems you agree with the Pan Arab alliance on this one.

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449428#Comment_122449428

You and that poster with the Trump name keep trying draw parallels with Ukraine but in the process all you do is debase the Palestinian cause and parrot Putin’s talking points (the same Kremlin that sent death squads and missiles to kill zelensky but failed, so there’s also hypocrisy sprinkled in as usual)

Ukraine/ Russia conflict is nothing like this clusterf**k in Middle East, nothing. Ukranians didn’t respond to an unprovoked attack on them by levelling whole cities despite being of range of both Belgorod and Donetsk, they uphold international laws and try to get help from allies

Perhaps pause for a minute and consider that if your are agreeing with Iranians and Russians that it might be you who is in the wrong about things

And notice how I said nothing about Israelis, they unleashed hell precisely because the terrorist killed today unleashed the largest terrorist attack on civilisation since 9/11, what they done to Gaza is wrong on so many levels, but no amounts of far left whataboutery and regurgitation of Kremlins lines would make HAMAS and their leaders right

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449652#Comment_122449652

Haha, yeah maybe you should consider that you are the one acting exactly like the Russians and Iranians, only you're being a hypocrite about it too :pac:

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449762#Comment_122449762

Also given that 15k of those killed are children it's a bit fanciful by even the most ardent pro israeli posters to claim the vast majority of hamas militants have been killed. And this after 10 months of bombing Gaza.

To be honest the strike on the Hamas leader was a good deflection from the news today of another soldiers indicted for abusing palestinain prisoners. What is that 10 now?

TheValeyard

Bibi to speak to the Israeli nation tonight probably usual sh1te.

Lots of airlines canceling flights to the Lebanon now

USA issues a no not travel notice to Lebanon.

Think we're going to need another thread soon enough.

Dark times, more civilians are going to pay the price for a situation they didn't create.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449921#Comment_122449921

Israel is there now. Unless you think the country will be dis-established we have to deal in reality instead of looking back with what ifs.

Most want a two state solution but the Palestinians would also have to accept it and their leaders need to stop aping Iran and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map. And Israel needs to accept it too.

nacho libre

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nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449600#Comment_122449600

Except you don't really believe in international law either- rather you have a la carte approach to its application. Your attitude to the ICJ ruling on the West Bank confirms it. You also don't agree with the seeking of arrest warrants for Bibi and Gallant. No doubt the prosecutor is biased. You have no such reservations when it comes to its rulings on Russia though . So you clearly are not for international law and its implementation when it suits Marko.

PeggyShippen

Great thread guys. Alot of good points. It was some day for the Shin Bet and Mossad . I'm military myself...to get near Haniyeh and mamage to kill him in one single room with a pinpoint munition. Unbelievable stuff amd it's whatever Israelis do best. The amount of undercover stuff and planning would have been huge. Iran look terribly weak.

Overall Israels campaign in Gaza from a purely military point of view is a success so far aswell. It's 1 militant for 1 or 1.5 civilians. The Americans in Falujah was 1 to 5 I think. Now there ll be no exit. (They ll cut the gaza strip in half now for good i would say.. check points right in the middle).It's no good to the kids that are dead or injured but imagine the Russians in Gaza.. Id say there'd be 250,000 dead at least. They don't give a fiddlers.. look what they did in Syria.. and yet there wasn't much talk about it in Ireland .

Iran amd Hizbollah will try something big. Hizbollah seem to have gone 'soft '. They don't want an escalation. America have an aircraft carrier group off Bierut and the UK have a massive base in Cyprus..RAF Akrotiri so the next few days will be interesting. My thoughts are another barrage of largely ineffectual rockets and drones . Good 2 days for Israels military

Kermit.de.frog

NYT reporting that Iran is preparing to strike Israel.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1818731448926351398

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pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449921#Comment_122449921

Have you just accidentally admitted your gripe goes all the way back to Israels very existence?

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450303#Comment_122450303

Just random unrelated factoids then? Saying its formation was a breach of UN and human rights was a sentence lol.

Gerrymandering reborn

No surprise seeing all the Muslim countries being upset at the death of a leader of a terrorist organization.

If they actually cared about the plight of the Palestinians, the many Islamic countries in the Middle East would have offered refuge to the Palestinians.

Anyways war is horrible, the sooner it ends the better

Ardent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450273#Comment_122450273

I don't know what's more embarrassing. The ease with which Haniyeh was killed in Tehran or this "response" from Iran. Reads like a scared, face-saving token gesture.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450363#Comment_122450363

I dont agree that the sooner it ends the better. There has to be a resolution and an end to Irans funding if its proxies. The sooner Iran is faced up to the better. They are a cancer. I think the Israeli end game is provoke Iran into an escalation and then try and get the Americans and British in and then go for Irans nuclear facilities.. bombing the place to bits.

Correct on the other Arab states mourning Haneyeh..all crocodile tears. They should offer to take in All the Palestinian Arabs between the 5 or 6 of them and leave the place to the Israelies. The Palestinians are holding everyone back from making the middle east a success. They rejected a large country in 48 ...they ve rejected all offers of a state. Now it's off the table. There ll be no Palestine. No chance with the settlers in the West Bank...They can blame the person looking at them in the mirror every morning whilst they brush their teeth.

Kermit.de.frog

Iran's response could be as early as tonight.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1818776892289294679

Guess it will be similar to last time.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449765#Comment_122449765

What were the findings of the UNSCO?