Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451869#Comment_122451869

According to the Times of Israel the strike on Dief wouldn't have gone ahead if he was surrounded by Israeli Hostages. When the intelligence confirmed he wasn't the strike was authorised. This is the crux of the problem and pointing it out is not sympathising with Hamas as some previous childish posts would like to suggest. As an adult it's possible to be against both Hamas, and Israel's reckless disregard for Palestinan civilians. Something even their closest ally has criticised them for in the past. I suppose they must also be pro hamas for doing that

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450415#Comment_122450415

Could you not use the intel you have to take out Good oul Benjamin as well … you know , the sooner it ends the better

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450993#Comment_122450993

Yeah but only "after proponents of partition feared that the proposal would not receive the required two-thirds majority and succeeded in delaying the vote for three days, giving more time for the intense lobbying and pressures brought to bear on member states, primarily by Washington and Zionist organizations."

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451974#Comment_122451974

So, despite all your protestations, you actually agree in principle with the aims of UN Resolution 181(II), that is the partition of Palestine between Jewish and Arab areas.

If only most Palestinians shared your view there might be peace.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452118#Comment_122452118

Imagine if, at that time, the so-called world powers, on their own, decided to "do a deal" among themselves by granting what was already occupied by Russians, plus a bit more, to those Russians.

You don't have to imagine it, because it happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference

No one today talks about the bits of Germany lost to Poland or Czechoslovakia.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452372#Comment_122452372

I am not sure what your point is.

Are you saying nations and organisations are wrong to lobby for their cause?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447635#Comment_122447635

That is one puzzle. Why kill thousands of innocents when they can be so clinical ? Its as if they want to kill innocents.

Bobeagleburger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452411#Comment_122452411

It's the Israeli way.

Only this time it's an absolute PR disaster. Exactly what Hamas wanted.

aidanodr

Interesting .. sounds like 2022 when US warned Russian attack on Ukraine imminent

"Pentagon officials:

In the next 72 hours, Iran and its allies will launch a large-scale attack on Israel."

https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1818945230508314796

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452433#Comment_122452433

The Palestinians been rejecting deals ever since. We all saw on October 7th what the Palestinians really want. A huge amount want to rape and pillage and kill the Jews. 80% of Arabs in the west Bank support Hamas in some polls. Thats real mad stuff. Wow..theres a group that I wouldn't be rushing to do a deal with.

Lads what about the 2 million Arabs that are Israeli citizens. Why aren't they arming and kicking off Against their Zionist oppressors? Wheres their Ricahrd Boyd Barratt to lead them. ll tell you ...his type arent wanted . They have it too good in Israel. They've jobs, freedom to assemble and liberal western values and they don't want to jeopardise that. Most of the criticism of Israel from Irish posters is bizarre anti West , left wing nonsense . How many have been to Israel..lived there? Iv been there many times and it's a beacon of hope surrounded by a cesspool of Islamic states

combat14

Top Iranian officials will meet the representatives of Iran’s regional allies from Lebanon, Iraq and Yemen on Thursday to discuss potential retaliation against Israel after the killing of the Hamas leader in Tehran, five sources told Reuters. The region faces a risk of widened conflict between Israel, Iran and its proxies after Ismail Haniyeh’s assasination in Tehran on Wednesday and the killing of Hezbollah’s senior commander on Tuesday in an Israeli strike on the outskirts of the Lebanese capital Beirut. (The Guardian UK)

sure sounds like iran planning scyronised attack on israel

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452561#Comment_122452561

Israel has never treated the Palestinians any other way than with brutality. Continually locking up innocent people and stealing the WB lands is hardly going to win many friends. Israel is a brutally repressive state and the entire world has seen that now.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452563#Comment_122452563

Answering Bibi's prayers.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452563#Comment_122452563

I wonder what their tactic will be this time around. Initial wave of slow moving drones from Iran just gives Israel hours and hours of time to prepare and for Israel and allies to just shoot them down.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452666#Comment_122452666

probably some sort of coordinated attack at same time from all sides to try and overwhelm israel or maybe an assassination of their own

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452376#Comment_122452376

If only most Israelies wpuld stop their colonisation of the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem etc

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452561#Comment_122452561

A "beacon of hope" thats colonising outside it's borders, has legal torture, anally rapes prisoners……….

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452561#Comment_122452561

the palestinian and other hostages held by israel, many for years including children, who are subject to rape and torture on a daily basis, have none of those.

even many non-hostages in israel don't have access to those.

israel is not a beacon of hope or of anything, it is a terrorist state who is responsible for the majority of trouble in the middle east and all on the back of the american tax payer.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452392#Comment_122452392

Your posts are really warped tbh

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452666#Comment_122452666

Shocked picachu faces when Israel counter attacks

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451343#Comment_122451343

actually, israel losing is a very big possibility now.
in 1967 the arab nations had depleted and ineffective militaries where as once 1967 came israel got a whole load of american stuff by immotionally blackmailing them.
the thing now is a lot of the world are sick of israel's behaviour and are going to resent their taxes providing help and aid to a state that is ungreatful and self-entitled, weaponises the holocost and more to hold countries to ransom.
degrading iran's power will only ever be temporary, they will get it back quickly and will keep israel at bay.
october 7th has nothing to do with how much territory palistinians would get, seeing as israel wants all of the land including large parts of it's other neighbour's territory.
the west bank will be part of the palistinian territories and the illegal colonists/invaders will be expelled, the illegal occupation of the west bank being down to israel being on a constant land grab and nothing to do with the palistinians in any way.
the settlers/invaders/colonists will be moved, armed or not they will be driven out and are legitimate targets for any force willing to do that.

combat14

how israel got their man in iran - looks like mossad has been patient and busy

Bomb Smuggled Into Tehran Guesthouse Months Ago Killed Hamas Leader

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/middleeast/how-hamas-leader-haniyeh-killed-iran-bomb.html

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451759#Comment_122451759

israel only won the 6 day war because of america.

if israel were left to do it themselves they would be back within their borders.

these killings aren't that big of a deal as they will be replaced by the next one and the next one so it's really just a head ache for those groups but not the biggest deal ever and not some massive military victory.

Sudden Valley

This killing though technically impressive really changes nothing long term. Hezbollah and Iran are going nowhere and will remain a threat no matter how Israel bloodies their noses now. 10% of the Israeli Jewish population live on illegal settlements so I can't see them being dismantled and thus no peace in our lifetimes. The current Palestinian and Israel leaders really have done nothing to provide any hope of long term peace.

People must be mad to immigrate to that region.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452995#Comment_122452995

You might realise it's not a game - with no effects for you - if things kick off and you go to order your fill of heating oil in October.

Or even putting petrol in your car in a few weeks.

Others will die, but it might also cost you money. So I wouldn't be sneering and laughing at the potential deaths yet

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452433#Comment_122452433

The process only consulted the Zionists. The delegation refused on the grounds of a 2 state solution was the only one being proposed and no other would be entertained.

You need to correct this statement.

The Arab leadership and delegation refused to engage with the UNSCOP. They thought putting their fingers in their ears and shouting "Lalalala" was a good strategy for getting their way.

They were clear in their demands.

No compromise, they wanted full rule over all of Palestine and they were openly talking about 'expelling' hundreds of thousands of Jews from the land.

They wanted a one party state, ruled by Arabs, for Arabs with only a smattering of Jews here and there.

Do you think that was a reasonable position to take? Do you not think it as extreme, unworkable and utterly naive, even for 1947?

You support a 2 state solution, but you appear to also support the Arab position of 1947 where there should only one state, an Arab state.

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452410#Comment_122452410

Note the words Intense lobbying and applying pressure to states to vote in a certain way

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452433#Comment_122452433

Why on earth would they accept a solution that cedes over 50% of the land to less than 5% of the population

You say that I dont have a clue but you post facts that are simply untrue.

The Jewish population of Palestine accounted for approx 35% of the population at the time, the Arab Muslim population was about 50-55% and the rest were Christian and others.

What the Arab delegation wanted was majority rule.

No partition, no powersharing, no 2-state solution.

They also wanted to ethnicly cleanse the area from newly arrived Jews from war-torn Europe.

Frangieh told the committee that Jews "illegally" in Palestine would be expelled while the situation of those "legally" in Palestine but without Palestinian citizenship would be resolved by a future Arab government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Special_Committee_on_Palestine

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122452995#Comment_122452995

I'm actually thinking if they went with the previous tactic of launching slow moving drones hours in advance, Israel would just take out their missile launchers as they would have hours notice.

That previous attack was ineffective, mainly because Hezbollah didn't join in. If they do this time, I'm sure they will regret it. Israel would hammer them while Iran watches on.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122453079#Comment_122453079

Are their kids legitimate targets aswell? Anyway you keep dreaming. Israel is going nowhere.

It's got nuclear weapons. The bottom line is that most if not all the countries in the middle east know is if Israel is overwhelmed or pushed right to the edge they ll nuke Iran,Mecca ,Medina and any other place. That's a fair old deterrent. And the Americans will never ever back off supporting the Israelis and in fairness ...the UK,Austria,Germany ..ect have been fantastic and as much as I dislike Von der Leyen she's been an excellent support to Israel. Glad she's re elected