Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

batman75

It's looking like their might be an attack tonight. Already a cyber attack on Ben Gurion Airport leading to cancelled flights.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457929#Comment_122457929

I wouldn't overestimate people's memories. While a lot of people who might have been inclined to support Israel in the past might have had their eyes opened, the crimes they are committing are not new. It has just been a bit more concentrated for a few months. They will always have "supporters" who are "supporting Israel" as a proxy for Islamophobia too. Those people's opinions will not have changed based on what has been thrust into their faces over the past few months. They will just deny black is black and white is white. We see it on this thread.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454290#Comment_122454290

You're pretty ignorant of Israels nuclear capability or what a modern nuclear bomb can actually do. You know that if they deployed their full nuclear arsenal there'd be no more middle east. That's what Israels capability is. You seem to think Iran and whomever else could inflict similar damage? Not possible.

There's alot of people on here really ignorant of the military reality of fighting wars. Israel is doing a really good job in Gaza. There is no 15000 'murdered' children. They were killed but they weren't murdered. Hugely emotive and completely incorrect language to use 'murder'. Wanton murder is what happened on Oct 7th. Also the 'genocide' angle pushed by the screaming left is bizarre . Anyone with half a brain can see that militarily the Idf and specifically the Israeli Airforce could carpet bomb gaza and wipe the slate clean. They dont do that because they care about civilians .. Its a well run war. The ICC are a joke..Ignore them lads. The Americans don't take em seriously..we shouldn't either . Some great successes for the Israeli military..we should be on here applauding their successes instead of most posters hoping they lose and the Islamic baddies win.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122456309#Comment_122456309

The one thing I can say securely is Israel won't lose this war. The only people annihilated will be Hamas and Quite possibly Iran as a country

Luna84

WHAT A CLOWN EVEN HAS AN BUTCHERS APRON AS HIS PROFILE PICTURE.

Are you for real threatening that Israel could use nuclear bombs to wipe Arabs out of the world and carpet bombing Gaza.

One time you would be banned for posting something like that.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122457462#Comment_122457462

That You got 10 likes for such a wrong and Anti Israel post tells alot about Irish opinion at the moment. Its clueless...its biased and it's ignorant and its anti Semitic to a large degree. Netanyahu may not be your cup of tea but he didn't start this war ...he didn't murder or rape or kidnap like many Palestinians did on October 7th. He didn't burn people alive like many Palestinians did...didn't shoot any unarmed grannies or defile dead bodies. Palestinians did though and they danced in the streets looking at raped girls in the back of pick ups. So ignore all that if you will but America won't,UK won't, Germany and Austria won't..And fair play to her Von der leyen won't. Israel is fighting the West's war to a large extent and it may turn into a 'proper war'. I think its probably the time to take on Iran now..Just degrade it militarily into the dust. Make it insignificant..cripple it economically. The West should go ahead and do it

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458563#Comment_122458563

Why does the "beacon of hope" in the middle east have colonies outside it's recognised borders?

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458563#Comment_122458563

I think if Israel really wants to take the fight to Iran and thinks it is time they should go and attack them, not be trying to manipulate others into fighting their wars as I think your other post(s) and now this one suggested doing.

Of c. Netanyahu has been trying to egg on the US to do it for decades now.

Leave the rest of us in the so called "West" (which Israel is ambivalent about being part of in important policy respects anyway) out of it thanks!

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458525#Comment_122458525

Hamas will absolutely be wiped but will re-group as something else.

Iran is a powerhouse in the region. The US won't even take them on. Quite simply because it would be a never ending war. Not palatable for US voters. And Israel does not have the firepower to take them on. The odd incursion may occur but it's clinical enough to not hit citizens.

I don't think I have posted in this thread before but I would be of the opinion that Israel should defend itself but has gone too far and is not clinical enough in Gaza. Wiping any person in the way is not a way forward.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122454298#Comment_122454298

Aside from the blatant racism, it's clear you (a) have never been to the region and (b) have never interacted with a Palestinian person nor an Arab more generally.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458645#Comment_122458645

This mentality reminds me of Benny Morris. No matter what Israel does its acceptable to him because it's Israel.

Ethnic cleansing, which Benny believed occurred in the 40s, is ok if Israel does it. Nuking someone is ok. Etc. Yet if the same doctrine should be applied to Israel it's an appalling crime. This is the contradiction of October 7th, while it undoubtedly was an appalling crime, if you believe yourself to be a democracy it doesn't give you carte balance to do as you please in the name of revenge. Yet Peggy thinks it's ok to turn another country dust. To shoot civilians waving white flags in cold blood. To drop a 2000 pound bomb on a refugee camp. He knows Israel wouldn't do it in a residential area of Tel Aviv . The Americans even disagree with Peggy, they have told Israel several times they are not doing enough to minimise civilian casualties .

The ICJ is a joke to him, he is in good company, Putin thinks the same of the ICJ. Nethanyu is desperate to get re-elected that's why he probably ordered the killing of Haniyeh as he hoped it would boost his popularity with Israelis and increase his chances of getting re-elected. As long as the likes of Bibi remain in power, even in a world without Hamas, Israel will never have long term security. Yitzshak Rabin, who was no dove in his early years, came to the realisation that military dominance alone would not provide security long term for Israel, for the likes of Peggy this is lost on them .

combat14

sweden now apparently closing its embassey in Beirut and urging all citizens to leave

batman75

It must be a terrifying time to be living in Israel. Iran's response may be muted or immense forcing Netantyahu into a response. I expect the latter.

z80CPU

Looks like Bibi has let the IDF off the leash with another HAMAS official killed. Israel doesn't care one iota about Geo political stability

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459650#Comment_122459650

They don't seem too bothered here.

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Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459707#Comment_122459707

You've been away for a while, I guess.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459707#Comment_122459707

why would they when america is backing them to the hilt

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

If you drop a 2,000 bomb on a densly packed area then it's murder. No disputing that at all. Stop with trying to lessen Israel's actions.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

Anyone with half a brain can see that militarily the Idf and specifically the Israeli Airforce could carpet bomb gaza and wipe the slate clean.

Sure by that logic, there was no genocide in WWII. I mean, given the Nazis had all the people rounded up in camps at their mercy and still didn't kill all of them. Is that the standard applicable now? Or is it the case that your "logic" is only "logic" when it suits you?

Given they didn't "wipe the slate clean"? (to mirror your disgusting use of the phrase)

You have a strange mix of posts on here. Between admiration for things the British army did in the past, and support of IDF atrocities. There are certain estates of people up North who would wholeheartedly agree with you. I'd say they'd also be flying your profile flag too. You are entitled to have your view

tayto lover

Bibi the war criminal is some chancer. He's sending a delegation to peace talks in Cairo while trying his best to start a regional war. Talking out of both sides of his mouth is nothing new but expecting people to believe his bull**** is overdoing it.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

i'm well aware of what a modern nuclear bomb can do, and israel's capabilities.
the reality is israel doesn't have enough to wipe out the whole middle east regardlesss of what it claims and the IDF are for the most part an incapable fighting force so chances are high israel would blow themselves up rather then fire a nuke correctly at iran or wherever.
china and russia also have allies in the middle east and if china's capabilities are to be believed they could have israel destroyed before they could even fire a nuke, assuming they would want to protect their allies there.
israel have murdered 40000 civilians, this is established fact, they have also raped hundreds of thousands of civilians in gaza and their own prisons, palistinian prisoners are subject to rape as a matter of course.
israel are guilty of genocide, they don't need to completely carpet bomb an area to be guilty and in reality they are doing that anyway and have been on and off for decades.
however israel would need to have the capabilities to carry out multiple times the carpet bombing they are to completely eradicate the palestinian population and they don't have the weaponry and capabilities to do that.
israel have shown they don't care about civilians, they don't even care about their own hostages and not forgetting those the IDF killed on october 7th as part of the hannible directive.
israel are a genocidal, racist, apartheid state who colonise, land grab, slaughter civilians deliberately and enjoy it, weaponise the holocost, use antisemitism as a weapon, use the americans as a credit card while being completely ungreatful, and much much more.
gaza is a success because the idea is to eradicate the palestinian population eventually, however in reality it's a failure as israel have lost a hell of a lot of soldiers and many of the hostages haven't survived, the remaining hostages are likely dead also unfortunately.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

But apart from that you think they are OK 👍

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

Well where can you start answering a piece like that? 'Israel has raped hundreds of thousands " .. not even the Gazans or Hamas are claiming that, but some Irish person is on a forum.. amd gets 3 likes lol..

'40,000 murdered? ' Again Hamas ministry of Information isn't even claiming nonsense like that. ..and the rest isn't much better. It's emotionally juvenile stuff.

Do you really think China and Russia give a fiddlers about Gaza or Iran? Or would risk American intervention ...Israel need to continue how they are. They are doing a good job if the Irish left are wailing. When's the next pro Hamas march in Dublin..? They are becoming less fashionable every time

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

israel are not remotely trying to eradicate the palestinian people simply resolving those who carried out the 7th October massacres

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460844#Comment_122460844

Why is Israel - as you descriibed it the "beacon of hope" in the middle east - colonising territories outside it's internationally recognised borders?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460891#Comment_122460891

You are wasting your time with that poster as he's on the wind-up. He simply couldn't believe the drivel he's posting.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461020#Comment_122461020

"On 7 October 2023, Hamas and several other Palestinian militant groups launched coordinated armed incursions from the Gaza Strip into the Gaza Envelope of southern Israel, the first invasion of Israeli territory since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The attack coincided with the Jewish religious holiday Simchat Torah."

why did hamas kill the biggest number of jews since WW2 triggering the latest impasse

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460890#Comment_122460890

israel are trying to eradicate the palestinian people so as to steal their land and expand the state of israel, and it won't stop at the palistinian territories but will spread to their other neighbours.

in fact israel stole territory from it's neighbours in the past to try and expand it's state, the americans forcing them to hand some of it back however they still have the syrian golon heights.

israel don't actually want to get rid of hamas as hamas is a proxy force of israel as israel fund them and created them so as to destroy the PLO.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461078#Comment_122461078

because israel engage in apartheid, racism, colonisation, land theft, genocide, mass slaughter and mass rape of civilians, and much much more.

the poorly armed militants were only able to carry out the october 7th attack because israel opened the borders.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461695#Comment_122461695

iranian backed terrorist groups like hamas, hezbollah, houthis are far from poorly armed