Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1819470096617951491

Sickening scenes in Dublin yesterday. I never thought I would see the day when Irish people were out supporting Islamic terror groups.

There is a serious anti-Semitism problem in Ireland.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462251#Comment_122462251

I'm sure there were the obligatory pride flags aswell tbf. Those are my favourite to see at Palestinian marches. Shows just how incredibly thick some attendees are you have to pity them and wonder how no one is minding them.

WEST

Those posters are just trolling at this stage. Protesting against Israel is described at 'sickening', yet no comment is made on the death of 10's of 1000's of civilains in Gaza, rape of prisioners and many more crimes. Israel is a terrorist state and it deserves all the criticism it receives.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460891#Comment_122460891

Israel is a 'beacon of hope" for a whole variety of reasons.

Firstly it's a Democracy surrounded by kingdoms and corrupt dictatorships. They made great country iout of very little

2. It is secular and people are free to worship whatever religion they want. There's a vibrant Christian population, a large Muslim minority, the Bahi religion is based in Haifa.

3. It protects Jerusalem..a centre of the 3 main religions. It allows me to visit whenever I want .

4. Israel is a technological marvel and agricultural leader . It's entrepreneurial outlook is an example to the region. It has no oil but shows how am infertile country can still progress.

5. It's military is a juggernaut with weapons technology it exports worldwide. The bedwetters in Ireland won't like this one as they'd like to see Israel and the West disarmed. So they lead in military development..thats huge.

6. It's a very fun place to visit...a great nightlife, great food and by God the people are interesting. Some unbelievable looking women and I suppose men, extremely confident amd up for a laugh...never seem to have the standoffishness of average looking Irish people with notions of themselves. Have ye ever met or hung out with Israelis properly.. A very open ,intelligent and pluralistic bunch.

WEST

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

That post is comedy gold 😆, in reply to point 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z581dbGqr08

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

Simple. When you treat your neighbours like dirt you get that kind of response. Neither being right of course.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462251#Comment_122462251

presumably you have sufficient evidence to support your claim that those out on the streets yesterday support islamic terrorism and islamic terror groups? if so have you reported this to the gardai seeing as they would be committing a criminal offense as it's illegal to support a terrorist group?

there is no big problem with antisemitism in ireland, of course there are antisemites but the majority of those out yesterday are not antisemetic.

screaching antisemite/antisemetic to justify and excuse israel's crimes does not work any more.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

israel is not a full democracy and is not secular.
yes israel is a player in technology but other players just as advanced are coming on stream.
israel's military rely on billions of aid and weaponry from the US, yes it provides some help in terms of producing those weapons via information/science ETC and it produces some weaponry under license from US manufacturers which it then exports as the US use it as a proxy.
but ultimately the US are the ones upholding it's military and it's military exports.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

~~It also has legalised torture, runs an apartheid regime in the occupied territories, has a cabinet that actually has to debate whether anal rape of a prisoner is a crime etc.

Why is Israel building colonies outside its internationally recognised borders?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462273#Comment_122462273

I get you p johnson. I feel the same sense of bemusement when I see people, who profess to be against political violence and terrorism, out cheerleading for the current Israeli Government led by a suspected War Criminal-Oh you don't agree p, well you and Peggy have a friend in Putin there as he also thinks the ICJ and its rulings are a joke.

And what about the people who thank racists posts made against Palestinians but then a few posts later are up in arms about anti semitism. I am sure you agree P there is a lot of cognitive dissonance going on there.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463044#Comment_122463044

You'll have a hard time finding me praising Putin but sure whatever fantasy you and the other boys are having. I'm not arsed reading Peggy's wall of texts nor have I thanked any racist against Palestinan posts. But you do you!

I know they get upset if I don't visit often and ye really need to get your personal jibes in after all.

PeggyShippen

It's probably a good time for the IDF to push Hizbollah back behind the Litani river in Southern Lebanon. And keep that buffer zone indefinitely. I think you might see an enlarged Golan heights move aswell to keep the Druze happy . All makes sense militarily aswell. The handbrake is being let off I feel and I ll be surprised if there isn't a big allied bombing campaign on Iran within the month.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463168#Comment_122463168

I didn't say you did. I was speaking of others. I don't have any illusions/ fantasies about your double standards in denying war crimes committed by Israel, it's openly on display with your constant deflections and complaining about piles on against Israel. The fact you don't praise Putin but stay silent about Nethanyu is telling. No wonder Nethanyu has expressed admiration for Putin- two peas in a pod!

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463201#Comment_122463201

Im pro Israel so the last thing it should do is agree to ceasefires etc or let the likes of hamas regroup so that Israel faces the same problems down the road but at the same time Israel has to remember its population and economy is small enough and its already ~9months into a conflict, I see a risk of Israel overextending itsself militarily or risk its Iron Dome systems being exhausted?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463721#Comment_122463721

Israel cannot do away with Hamas, it's an ideology. Hamas might not have the same name but it will not change under a new name. Israel has ensured that the numbers will swell too. If Israel wants to stop the threat then it needs to change and stop stealing land in the WB, release unconvicted prisoners and stop treating the Palestinians like dirt. What they have been doing up until now and in the past has not worked.

Sudden Valley

You would think Israel would finish with the conflict in Gaza before getting involved in another conflict. 9 months into their conflict in Gaza and they don't seem close to destroying Hamas yet some posters here think that they will defeat Hezbollah and Iran soon enough. It's obvious they are killing alot of people in Gaza but perhaps they are not killing the right people to actually win the conflict?

Perhaps the Israeli population will realise soon that Netanyahu's policies are not going secure any lasting peace.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985

will iran fall into israels trap of a wider conflict

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464042#Comment_122464042

I'm not sure why they would bother. Cheaper to finance Hamas or whoever their successor is and Hezbollah and every few years make life difficult for the Israelis. Neither Israel or Iran have any strategy that will lead to victory.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985

It's as if they are killing thousands to disguise that fact. What we do know that of the 40,000 killed/murdered, most were women and children and around 31,000. Now assuming the rest were Hamas ( a bit of a stretch) then 10,000 were Hamas. Israel estimated that Hamas had at least 40,000 members in Gaza.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463721#Comment_122463721

Would you agree with the stance of many Israelis that all Palestinians need to be wiped out?

That's the logical and inevitable conclusion of perpetuating a system of apartheid, murder, theft, and oppression.

tayto lover

It's just another day in Gaza as more kids die in Israeli bombings -

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0804/1463445-israel-gaza-hamas/

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464131#Comment_122464131

the vast majority of israelis are not advocating wipe out all palestinians - most arabs are advocating the opposite however

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464340#Comment_122464340

Hmm. So they want to avoid facing "the same problems down the road" but they are also committed to controlling nurturing an environment where the same type of resistance will necessarily arise.

Gaslighting 101.

nacho libre

Let's hope they do.

As you say the Israeli right don't want peace. Let's say Hamas are somehow defeated and a moderate opposition governs Gaza that would be Bibi and his friends worse nightmare. We know this because Bibi admitted it to colleagues that the best way to weaken the PA and stall a two state solution was allowing the money to come in from Qatar. Bibi would love if the Iranians fell into his trap and a wider war broke out that dragged in the Americans. Let's hope they don't give him what he wants.

Even his own negotiators have said that he was setting out terms for a peace deal to the current war that made their job is impossible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463985#Comment_122463985

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464066#Comment_122464066

Shows how much Hamas value their own women and children. They hide behind them and among them. Hanas are happy to hide in schools and hospitals. Once they operate from those schools and hospitals then they become legitimate targets for airstrikes . This war is going to get worse before it gets better. It ll be interesting to see the Hizbollah and Iranian response. They are already tearing apart their organisations looking for the Shin Bet operatives .. If they over do their response then the Americans will intervene directly . That's Bibis thinking ..makes sense really. Then push on into lebanon. This war is only starting

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

That lie gets repeated ad nauseam. Schools and hospitals don't automatically loose their protective status simply because there's an alleged fighter in it.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

You have yet to explain why the "beacon of hope" is colonising areas outside of its internationally recognised borders.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464817#Comment_122464817

As you know Peggy that is the excuse the Israelis use to bomb civilians and destroy infrastructure. That's all. It's played out at this stage.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122464841#Comment_122464841

Not only that. If their information is so good that they know Hamas are hiding behind women and children then how come they haven't been able to free the hostages? It makes no sense because it isn't true.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122463977#Comment_122463977

The only strategy for Israel is to grow, maybe never let anybody back into gaza except under some very selective process maybe