Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122484790#Comment_122484790

An Israeli talking point probably.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485185#Comment_122485185

Or a 'not talking at all at all' point in this case, though the total silence says something in itself, I find.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122484790#Comment_122484790

Keep building the settlements..steady as she goes. Don't deviate and keep building in strategic places. Make the West bank totally unviable. This is a battle of survival now. The two state solution was finally put to bed on October 7th. Israel might not have an opportunity as good again to secure itself.

batman75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485677#Comment_122485677

You do realise those settlements are on another country's territory and hence are illegal. You then wonder why there is such scorn for Israel and Israelis. Your post is disgusting and truly abhorrent. Just so you know a Palestinian life has equal merit to that of an Israeli.

As for the two state solution myth that was put to bed in 1995 with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin.

Donald Trump

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Don't forget the UDA et al. They are big fans of your profile flag too. Probably similar yearning for the glory days of the "Empire" too.

I actually referred to it quietly on one of your posts a few pages back. I see now that you are becoming more explicit and open. The "patriots" went up the North with their "Coolock says no" banner last week too.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485849#Comment_122485849

You see, the thing is, that in many cases it's not really a principled matter. It is more just looking for a "team" to hide hatred behind. Some people don't like mulims/arabs/whatever. But they can't really come out and just say that. But they can attach to a "cause" which they see killing the people they hate. A kind of whitewashing effect.

nacho libre

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnd0e5w7l96o

Fair play to people like Gill.

whatever.

Opening with derogatory terms a classical intelligent retort

If Israel had the ability or intelligence it would have struck Iranian development sites and with the implicit backing of the US. It's not as if it is a restrained state.

In addition engaging in the genocide in Gaza weakens it'a external security.

As of May '24 Iran’s nuclear program has reached the point at which, within three weeks, Iran might be able to enrich enough uranium for five fission weapons.

If Israel doesn't make peace and once it's strategic advantage of being the US's nuclear bully puppet in the middle east is lost greater regional conflict will happen sooner or later at which point the US will suddenly find the high ground and be hands off for the "greater good of the world".

Then it'll be hell for leather and the Chinese and Russians will sell endless weapons to Iran and co, each for their own agenda with the eventual invasion and wholesale destruction of Israel and the jewish people there within.

I don't need to remind you but the extermination of jewish people has happened before, so it most certainly can happen and will happen again if the course is not changed.

I don't say the above to derive a satisfaction from a "I told you so" moment sometime in the future. I say it because that is inevitable path and maybe just maybe someone reading might change the path for region towards peace and equity.

https://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/articles-reports/irans-nuclear-timetable-weapon-potential

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485677#Comment_122485677

Condemned by your own words there.

Red Silurian

Interesting to see pro-Palestine protestors at Harris's rallys stateside. You'd think they'd be more anti-trump than Harris,

Maybe this post of mine is better suited to an "Americans are nuts" thread

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486498#Comment_122486498

Did you see RTE are saying 'more than 100'?

Sky New - 'more than 60'

BBC News 'dozens'

Awful either way but they sure are some varying numbers.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486537#Comment_122486537

They Naively think a smiling and folksy Kamala is going to lead to a radical change in American policy towards Israel. Even if she was minded to cut off the arms supply to Israel she isn't going to announce it while running for office. With Donald desperate to find something to attack her about such a move would be giving him an open goal.

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122485808#Comment_122485808

The issue is that the Zionists don't regard the Palestinian Arabs as an entity and rather they are just "temporary occupiers" until the real owners come home. The Romans threw the Jews out of Judea and then the Arabs moved in around 600AD and have lived there for 1,400 years, cultivating date farms and establishing communities, then in late 1800s Rothchild started the zionist movement to make Aliyah and "return home" ostensibly for good reasons as there had been persecution of the Jews for 100s of years and so the return to Judea would be to a safe place.

What is not recognised is that the Arab population had been living there for 1,400 years, longer than most countries existed. They are regarded merely as tenants on Jewish land

It would be like the Norwegians coming back to claim Dublin for themselves as it was originally a Viking property and the Irish had no right to it.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486666#Comment_122486666

I always thought saying 'dozens' diminishes a number some what, '60' sounds like a lot more. Might be just me though!

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486560#Comment_122486560

Indeed, they should really be at the trump rallys waving their palestinian flags and calling for him to change his stance because if they convince both candidates they might actually see some real change happening next year

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486666#Comment_122486666

RTE has tacked so far to the left that it's bizarre now. Taking the most extreme figures from Hamas. It's bonkers. Terrible tragedy all the same. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have no care for their own people. They just use them as shields and Israel are right to keep going after the terrorists. The loss of civilian life is awfull but Iv no doubt there are command centres in among the civilians

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122487611#Comment_122487611

You have "no doubt" despite the fact the Israeli government and army lie all the time and have killed countless civilians, aid workers, children and women when there are no terrorists among them. All your belief shows is that you support a murderous, pathological regime, because no matter who Israel murder it's always followed by "there were Hamas people there", which is often a total lie

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122487834#Comment_122487834

I could be wrong but i think Peggy has to equate all criticism , and actual instances of anti semitism as coming from far the left for two reasons: they are not a fan of far left politics and Peggy doesn't like to think criticism of Israel, much less actual anti semitism could come from the right because his ideology is that of the right; an apologist for empire and colonalism; an advocate for political violence/terrorism so long as its the side he supports .

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488188#Comment_122488188

You are most definitely wrong but you probably know that. There is definitely still anti semitism on the right but it's the explosion if it on the left over the past 20 years that's the real concern.. From Labour in the UK to PBP and the general left in Ireland . The right is largely pro Israel at this stage for a wide variety of reasons.

I'd be very much anti violence unless it's a self defence or aggressive defence as we see now in Israel. There ll always be a need for the 'rough men ' to use arms and willing to do their worst. Ireland has largely been insulated from that fact by the UK since Independence. We are all Colonisers at some stage in our ancestors past. Id say Ireland did more colonising than the vast majority of Europeans.. Australia..America post 1700 and again post 1840s especially. And NZ...Canada.. Please don't rabbit on about it not being a choice ect... The Irish had the same reasons as the majority of Europeans... how long before we hear ....'Famine'... 123.... Cromwell...then oppression. Only a few thousand Irish people prior to1916 were wallowing ...then all of a sudden it became a national 'fact' when Patrick Pearse,Charlie Burgess ect pulled their rebellion and destroyed the country.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122487611#Comment_122487611

You are slipping a little now. Not up to standard at all.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488272#Comment_122488272

I am most definitely not wrong, plenty of criticism of Israel comes from the right. Speaking of knowing things , you know full well the majority of criticism of Israel is not anti semitism , but it suits you to throw out that lazy trope to deflect criticism of Israeli crimes.

Also trying to justify Israeli crimes as aggressive defense is nonsense. You called for them to complete the take over on the West Bank in the name of self defense. Yet if this doctrine was applied to Israel under the term agressive self defense you'd be quick to call it for what it is, terrorism.

The rest of your post is just whitewashing the crimes of empire. Trying to equate what was in the main economic migration with British colonisation is disingenous in the extreme.

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488272#Comment_122488272

Do you have any self awareness at all or are you just content excusing genocide?

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122488815#Comment_122488815

Self defence is self defence. Preserving your life and that of your family. The war in Gaza now is what it is now. The last 80 years of PLO suicide bombers in shops and restaurants. I dont call that fighting back. I wouldnt call the Palestinian atrocities..the burnings,rapes and murders on October 7th 'fighting back' either . People just have no clue how a war is fought. If there's 30 fellas in a school planning and scheming murder. Then the Israelis make a plan..green light it and blow those fellas up. If they are hiding behind human shields that's a terrible thing but Israel doesn't have to stop blowing those 30 terrorist men up.

What 'forced migration' in Ireland . Indentured servitude in the late 1600s to the carribean ' america for 4 years was hard for many in the UK and Ireland. Tough but managed..same as the rest of the UK. The huge wave of Presbyterian migration in the 1700s wasn't forced either ,penal laws werent nice,thats for sure but same for all the UK..the Catholic migration from the 1820s onwards...normal migration. The 1840s was different and necessary and a hard time . Then 1870s onwards.. can't say that was forced either.... Stop the wallowing. Give over the whinging.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489861#Comment_122489861

Planning and scheming a murder?

Gazans aren't even fighting back anymore. They're being annihilated.

Dismembered by the dozen, buried alive under the dusty remains of the few remaining shelters as they are systematically demolished with callous disregard for the innocent huddled people inside.

This isn't self defense from the Israelis. Its murder and its utterly indefensible

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489891#Comment_122489891

Its incredible how anyone could support this.

What the people of Gaza are suffering now is worse than any torture in all of the most depraved works of fiction.

Constant threat, zero security, marching them from camp to camp with no food, water, sanitation or medical supplies, in a desert in the peak of summer, people carrying wounds and untreated medical issues, on the brink of starvation, grieving the loss of family and friends with countless others missing presumed dead, knowing that the Israelis will never stop torturing them and they have no safe place to hide.

Its like a circle of hell from Dantes inferno.

And it could all stop tomorrow if the Americans and Germans and English demanded an immediate ceasefire with full humanitarian relief. But they won't. Because they are weak and cowardly

Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122489961#Comment_122489961

Your post does not even mention the word "Hamas". Sinwar referred to the civilian Gazan dead as "necessary sacrifices" to sway world opinion. He is a very clever man.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490062#Comment_122490062

The Israeli Government and the IDF are doing their best to oblige him. Sinwar and Bibi have a lot in common. No doubt you agree that both are reprehensible and should be in a dock to face war crimes charges.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122486560#Comment_122486560

She might lead a radical change, I agree it's unlikely but it's more likely than Trump

batman75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490350#Comment_122490350

She won't. She shouted down a Pro Palestinian demonstration at her rally the other day. She is the other cheek of the same arse. All U.S. politicians are in hock to the Jewish lobby financially. See the sycophantic reception for the monster Netanyahu at the senate. Embarrassing.

The last time I remember the U.S. flexing it's muscles against Israel was in 1991. G H. Bush asked them not to retaliate against Iraq for the scud missile attacks.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490508#Comment_122490508

Yes. It's very unlikely, even if Kamala wanted to. Althoug Regan did suspend arms shipments to Israel back in the 80s, but was the lobby as powerful back then?

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122490558#Comment_122490558

15000 dead terrorists and 25000 dead women and children is an 'unbelievable' ratio.... Wtf man that's a disgusting ratio and comparisons to a civil war is ludicrous.

Do you not even realize that going by those figures, every male adult is classed as a terrorist?