Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322490#Comment_121322490

This is what actually happened.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-condemns-hamas-but-says-world-has-looked-the-other-way-on-oppression-of-palestinians/a513000231.html

You might go back and edit your earlier post there, it'd be the decent thing to do. There's enough lies and misinformation being spread around.

Bass Reeves

I was wondering could any one tell me the religious beliefs of Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong an Pol Pot.

Christianity? Islam, Budist, Hari Krishna come on someone please.

I think they were responsible for about 120 million deaths. The only one that gets a look in is King Leopold of Belgium @15 million.

No Brit in the top five. The only one with a religious belief that get a look in is good old Tojo, but he was technically part of a government. His religion belief was Shintoism

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322447#Comment_121322447

It wouldn't be a hunky dory place but it would be a better place and it would be one less thing to fall out about and one less thing to be fanatical about.I can't think of anything good religion provides for society any longer or maybe ever did. On a personal level it may provide a degree of solace for people but that it's and that's just a form of self delusion.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322499#Comment_121322499

I still think for the most part, the majority of people on the thread are horrified by the attacks on Israel and equally horrified by Israel's response, kinda the middle. Can see the horror on both sides.

There's a few very focal people that seem to take an extreme side, defending the IDF actions no matter and thankfully even fewer (and hopefully banned) people cheering Hamas on.

Economics101

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322482#Comment_121322482

Is there something wrong with Ukrainian flags? No, but it would be idiotic to parade through Moscow with one. Is there something wrong with the Tricolour? No, but don't tell that to the residents of the Shankill road if you try flying it there.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322518#Comment_121322518

Again, she knew that putting the Palestinian flag on her twitter profile the day of the attack was pure rabble rousing.Also she didn't condemn Hamas she condemned them with a yeah but attached to it.She just did the expected thing in condemning the attacks but implied the Israelis got what they deserved.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322447#Comment_121322447

But do you not think religion and religious beliefs is just bizarre. There is zero evidence, none whatsoever, of the existence of a god. So why all the hypocrisy and pretense.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322504#Comment_121322504

It'd only give that impression to ignoramuses who have very little understanding of the history of the conflict.

Support for Palestinians in general, at any time, does not automatically mean support for Palestinians who commit attrocities.

Just the same as an Irish flag in the window of a house in Derry doesn't automatically mean support for the Real IRA.

Duffycon

Maybe you didn’t read my message. Only 10%- TEN PERCENT- of most wars had religion as their primary cause. But if you have made up your mind because you don’t want your precious narrative to be interfered with, then you have made up your mind. Pity.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121321773#Comment_121321773

There are lads that love to "row against the current" just to be difficult. But some of them doing it in this thread, given the context, are quite disturbing. They are exposed now but sink to new lows to keep up the charade.

spakman

I'm beginning to think humans are tended to massive conflict and the only thing that prevents it is the memory of the horror it brings.

Now that WWII is pretty much beyond living memory, the likes of USA & UK have nothing causing them to stop and think and with the conflicts in Ukraine and Palestine the world may well be walking itself into the next "great" war.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322473#Comment_121322473

France is in the process of introducing a law that says committing a crime against the state is punishable by up to 2 yrs in Jail and 75k fine.

PM and Home secretary in UK have called proposed marches on armistice day to be hate marches.

A UK member of house of representatives is introducing a bill proposing the denial of entry to the US for Palestinians.

German embassy in Ireland said there was a lesson for Ireland to learn how ro not promote hatred against the Jews (or something very similar, I'm not double checking right now)

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121321210#Comment_121321210

Plenty of posters have refused to call for the immediate release of the hostages taken in the Hamas terrorist attack. That is a defence of the terrorists.

Burty330

lol @ Hams using empty shells to arms themselves. Biden made the Taliban one of the largest arms dealers in the world. Hamas hit Isarel brandishing American carbines

https://sputniknews.in/20231009/from-ukraine--afghanistan-to-middle-east-how-us-arms-ended-up-in-hamas-hands-4693015.html

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322553#Comment_121322553

Those marches on Armistice day are being done as a show of strength and looks who has power now.

They clearly could decide in respect to Armistice day to have their march on another day or well away from London.

1 day difference won't make any odds (either on the Monday or Friday), the weekend of the 11th of November clearly has a great degree of importance.Those marching for Palestine seem fine with showing disrespect to other peoples traditions and beliefs but want everyone to respect their beliefs.

Duffycon

The US is trying to extricate itself from reliance of oil in the Middle East. It wants out - why all the fracking and energies being poured into making the US self reliant. Besides you don’t want the US to back off. If terrorists gained control of the Suez Canal and other waterways where a huge amount of the world’s cargo passes through, we will all suffer. Not what you want is suspect.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322553#Comment_121322553

So no reference to Palestine support in those examples for the UK, France and Germany.

Remember Pro-Hamas ≠ Pro-Palestine ≠ Anti-Israel.

The US example is just probably some nutter trying to introduce crazy bills. I doubt it will get far.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322536#Comment_121322536

Mary Lou didn't put a Palestinian flag on her Twitter profile on the day of the Hamas attack. TD Chris Andrews put one up the day after the attack, it has that in the article I posted. Maybe that's what your thinking of. Mary Lou did it some days later. She refused to criticise Andrews for it publicly. She condemned Hamas the day after the attack.

Unless I'm missing something. I can't find anything saying she did that on the very day of the attack, and I don't see any mention of anyone saying she did. You could be right, but I can't seem to find that anywhere.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322420#Comment_121322420

Monsters on both sides. The Israelis have got their revenge and much much more.

Their actions over the past few weeks have ensured they will not exist in that region in 20 years. They let emotion get to them, have completely lost their minds have become worse savages than Hamas.

There is real evil at the top of the Israeli command, as there also is in Hamas and that will be their undoing.

I can't get over the barbarity and cruelty of it. Israel have gone too far.

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322538#Comment_121322538

The greatest cod of the lot is the link between Evangelical Christians in the States and Israel. It's basically something like the Evangelicals believe that the final battle between good and evil will happen in Jerusalem and that the Jews will cause it. The Jews will all be smited or converted and the righteous Christians will be lifted up to heaven. Israel goes along with and courts this daftness because it guarantees the support of a huge sway of American politicians.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322566#Comment_121322566

Ah you're back. Tough day?

Which posters have refused to call for the immediate release of the hostages? Did you ask them to "call" for it? Or should they be doing it every day? Have you a hostage law for us?

This is Boards by the way, do you think Hamas read this stuff?

Taking hostages is a sick thing to do. Of course they should be released by the inhuman Hamas terrorists.

I remember when Brian Keenan was released from the Lebanon after years of torture. He was a broken man. It was heart wrenching. Taking hostages is disgusting. Keeping them for long periods is worse.

Duffycon

If only 10 percent of wars have religion as their cause then that means that the remaining 90 % of wars have non religious causes. If that’s the case, Sooner believe in a God than believe in world without one. We can all be godless fools killing each other, can’t we, no matter how worldly wise we profess ourselves to be.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322571#Comment_121322571

Sputnik news the Kremlin propaganda channel

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322530#Comment_121322530

Was there people walking through Israeli cities with Palestinian flags on the day of the Hamas attacks or in the days after?

The point I'm making is that people showing support for Palestine with Palestinian flags does not mean they support Hamas. But there's many people imagining it does, because it suits their narrative.

Some people seem to assume that if someone feels sympathy towards Palestinians that they must have been delighted at the news of the Hamas attack.

Be offended at Hamas flags, don't let Palestinian flags conjure up feelings of resentment.

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322595#Comment_121322595

Exactly. To quote a Trump supporter I saw recently on tv, " the two most important things in my life are right here with me , my bible and my gun"

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322606#Comment_121322606

Your back from doing bomb damage assessments on ambulances I see. What did you settle on in the end? Hailstones?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322566#Comment_121322566

Says who?

Do you call for the immediate release of the thousand plus Palestinians held without charge by Israel?

Are they not hostages in your view?

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322603#Comment_121322603

Without trying to deflect this thread, can you provide one, just one, bit of evidence of the existence of a god or God's? And please don't insult us with "the evidence is all around us blah blah blah..."

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322573#Comment_121322573

If there was any day if the year that was most appropriate to March for peace, surely the day remembering the end of what was termed the Great War would be it.

Incredible indictment of the low esteem the Palestinian people are held by so many that they would suggest moving marches so to have faux sincerity about how we've learned lessons from that conflict.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322408#Comment_121322408

religion and ethnicity are different

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322566#Comment_121322566

I'm calling for the immediate release of all hostages taken in the Hamas terror attack. Given the level of the Israeli pounding of Gaza knowing there are 200 plus of their citizens held captive there, do you think the shelling and bombing would lessen or increase if they released any of the captives left alive?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322579#Comment_121322579

Calling a march of hundreds of thousands of people who are advocating for peace and support for Palestine a hate march couldn't really be more obvious as to how the people doing this view Palestine but go ahead and keep your head in the sand if it makes it easier to not acknowledge the death and suffering you are in agreement with.

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322428#Comment_121322428

I don't think there was a ever a Dail motion but there were plenty of calls from SF for the Russian Ambassador to be expelled. First google result is 25 February 2022.

What's strange is the Billy Kellehers of this world who made a song and dance of protesting outside the Russian embassy and offering to drive the ambassador to the airport aren't making the same noises this time around.

While I don't agree with the calls to expel either ambassador at least SF were consistent.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322643#Comment_121322643

If people also had a march to show Israeli support, they would be seen the same under the laws your taking about. It's not specific to Palestinians.

And places like the UK, the US, Germany, France are actively making laws against people calling for support for the Palestinians. A heartbreaking indictment of where society is at.

With the exception of the US as you explained, the rest are not making new laws up specifically targeting people taking a pro-Palestinian stance.

Duffycon

I have faith. If you need proof then choose not to believe. That’s the point of faith. You choose not to believe well That’s on you. But don’t think it makes you a better person than me in terms of doing or thinking the right thing. I don’t think, even as a believer, that I have a monopoly on the truth. Do you believe you have such a monopoly on truth? Simply because you don’t have faith? Apart from all of that, Only 10% of this known universe has been accounted for as in “we know what it is”. The remaining 90% is made up of dark matter and dark energy which we are still trying to figure out. I am not an advocate of a “God of the gaps” argument, but unless you know something no one else does….

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322670#Comment_121322670

But do you have faith because your parents and teachers told you to have faith and which faith at a very young impressionable age?

Burty330

No surprise to see the usual bigots voting against a resolution to tackle the alarming rise of anti semitism in college campuses

https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-democrats-refused-condemn-hamas-supporters-universities-1840592

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322588#Comment_121322588

There was a Palestinian flag on her twitter profile on the 8th of October at the latest (that was the day I checked her profile), so she made sure to get one up there as soon as possible, she didn't wait some days at most she waited 1 day.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322104#Comment_121322104

Stalin

Duffycon

No I have faith as an adult, my friend. My parents, God rest them, did bring me up as a Christian but they were wise enough to know when to let me go and for me to plough my own path. There was never a question of them disowning me even if I had said that I renounced my faith. There was too much love there, you see. Many members of my family choose not to have faith but we still love each other to bits! Still get along. Still can’t wait till the next family reunion. That’s Love. Hope you have the same.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322680#Comment_121322680

It's a shame to see people turn on Jews due to the actions of Zionists. I'd hope it's ignorance and a lack of understanding about Zionism rather than just genuine hatred of Jews. But going by the many reports in the media of acts of hatred toward Jewish people around the world since the 7th of October, it does seem that there has been an increase anti-semitism. Unfortunately there has been an increase in Islamapbobia too due to the actions of Hamas.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322680#Comment_121322680

People against wanton revenge?

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322595#Comment_121322595

You obviously didn’t bother reading this discussion earlier in the thread.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322688#Comment_121322688

Ya, it would have been more sensitive not to do that the day after that attack, regardless of the fact that a Palestinian flag is not a Hamas flag. Poor judgement if that's the case.

Have you found the tweet, I couldn't see it anywhere, or even anyone at all mentioning it, despite the fact that Andrew's drew a huge amount of attention for the flag on his twitter account.

It would be great if you'd go back and change your post where you said she did that on the very day of the attack all the same.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322608#Comment_121322608

Timing is everything. The flags were being flown before any retaliation by Israel. That is for some an inconvenient fact now.

Strazdas

I suspect one reason Israel is disliked currently and there is so much sympathy for the Palestinians is that there has been a big move against colonial /settler type nations in recent years. For example, the history of the former British Empire has become very unpopular with many people (even in Britain) and it's now seen as having been deeply controversial and oppressive and a force for bad, rather than good.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322635#Comment_121322635

There are all sorts of unsavoury elements, chants and placards at these protests as stated previously. It’s not accurate to pretend it’s all about peace. No doubt many are well intentioned but try waving an Israeli or American flag and see how peaceful many are. Look at how the anti Iranian protester was treated by an anti war crowd recently.

Note, “many” not “all” before the usual arguments start up.

Besides which where are the ‘Hamas Out’ and ‘Release Hostages Now’ signs? It takes two sides to reach a settlement.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322617#Comment_121322617

You do know guns can be used for purposes other than shooting people? What is wrong with having a gun now? Most farmers have one.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322741#Comment_121322741

I honestly think most don't have a clue about the real history (myself included), but I'm just shocked that close to 4k children have died in less than a month and those supporting Israel just shrug it off like it's nothing. We've seen towns and cities reduced to rubble in Ukraine by the Russians, but civilians could always evacuate, there was always a much safer place to flee to.

And the very same people/countries would be in uproar if Ukraine bombed a Russian town and left hundreds dead to take out a few soldiers etc...

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322715#Comment_121322715

Nope, “the alarming rise of anti semitism in college campuses” as he/she stated.