Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327233#Comment_121327233

No he was suspended. Not fired. He was still a minister until yesterday.

Do you think his recent contributions at cabinet were rational?

Do you think he is strong on international law?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327260#Comment_121327260

You are coming on here with the Daly style yourself.

What do you propose Israel Russia should do? Perhaps the Irish army would you like to advice the IDF Russian armed forces how to conduct the most difficult military operations...Oh wait.

Nobody is justifying anything. This war. Vicious war started by Hamas. Ukraine and its Western puppetmasters

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327334#Comment_121327334

Isn't proscribed a UK term? Maybe you meant to write it on a forum in a different country?

The legislation here refers to terrorist groups as unlawful organisations.

The legislation also states that they are an unlawful organisation. It doesn't require any act to "proscribe" them as such to use your own words.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327303#Comment_121327303

Did you ever wonder what the world look like for Palestinians without Hamas?

You don't need to wonder. You can just look at the West Bank

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327286#Comment_121327286

it would be funny if drones weren't being fired from the centre of lebanon at northern israel .. it wont take much to provoke another war

Jimi H

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327360#Comment_121327360

Oh two can play that game Anyone supporting the Israeli massacre is an apologist for genocide

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327363#Comment_121327363

I'd prefer we take in Palestinians over Zionists, in a few years we'd all end up living in the Mullet pennisula. It's saying something when your making the likes Putin's regime look good, Christ I don't even think the Nazi's spoke like this outloud.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326625#Comment_121326625

That was the plan though , they hardly thought Israel was going to sit back

Galwayguy35

The Irish media is very anti Israel.

Luckily the Israeli ambassador is well able for the likes of Claire Brock, Miriam O Callaghan and Sarah McInerney.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327260#Comment_121327260

Ehm not purposely target civilians for a start. "Oh we think there is a Hamas commander in that ambulance". Sure lets blow it up anyway with no repurcussions. Or lets blow up a low loader bringing people to the safe zone where less than 24 hours before they were told to go by the Israeli military

Yes they are entitled to defend themselves and they are entitled to go into Gaza and seek Hamas.

But the bloodthirsty manner in which they are carrying out their operations is indefensible. It is their own version of war backed by major allies. It is not a conventional war.

It's not war, its no different at this point to what the Hamas scumbags did on Oct 7th - it is cold blooded murder, it is genocide of people with nowhere to escape.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327429#Comment_121327429

Ya, it's not that simple is it. That's the point I was making.

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327479#Comment_121327479

How is she well able for anyone? All she does is shouts like they all do because in any rational debate they get torn to shreds. You cannot defend the idefensible therefore you just shout and shout then when completely exposed pull out the anti-semite card.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327479#Comment_121327479

It is indeed and while I personally believe America is pro Israel to the point of it being a political fetish , there is a lack of nuance in how the conflict is assessed here , I don’t believe the average Irish voter is more pro Palestinian than Israeli , most are indifferent to a faraway troubled spot

tesla_newbie

I occasionally see Mark Humphrey’s on social media, I’m convinced he is an agent for some anti Israel corner , no one does more to damage the Israeli position in Ireland, he is horrendously bad at what he claims to be doing

that or he’s just extremely odd ?

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327414#Comment_121327414

So why are Israeli soldiers standing by while settlers kick Palestinians off their land and out of their homes they have lived in for decade's in the west bank?

Why are the IDF allowing settlers to indiscriminately murder Palestinians in the west bank?

The west bank isn't the Palestinian eutopia you're attempting to paint it as.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327518#Comment_121327518

That was the point.

It was a bit of an extrapolation - with zero tangible basis - for you to conclude I was painting anything as a "eutopia"

Hamas may be a problem. They are not the problem. Because the problems are there where they are not.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327505#Comment_121327505

Personally I never agreed with kicking Palestinians off their land and out of their houses to make way for Jewish settlers some of whom were Americans who just came over to take advantage of a land grab.

But that wasn't all the Israeli people and many of them are more moderate and were against actions like that.

But October the 7th changed all that and that attack was like the savagery that would have happened in medieval times.

tesla_newbie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327554#Comment_121327554

Agreed , any country would respond hard , when this military campaign end’s however, politics must resume and Israel must be firmly challenged about the settlement building, if they decide to re occupy Gaza , they should be isolated diplomatically

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327500#Comment_121327500

Don't know what interview you were listening to but she was far from torn to shreds in the ones I saw on the television and heard on the radio.

You probaby had a Britney song playing in the backround so that might explain it.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327518#Comment_121327518

I might be wrong but I think that's exactly what he means. All anyone has to do is look at a map that shows how the West Bank has changed over time, all the sgrowing settlements and they would come to realise what Gaza would look like too. Land stolen bit by bit until eventually there's nothing left. And that's what's going to happen for sure.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327479#Comment_121327479

Are you serious? She comes across as a mindless robot in all interviews. Not able to answer straight questions.

There are very very very few people who now believe the Israeli response to the Hamas terrorist attack was proportionate. Very few. A handful here who are too stubborn and afraid to admit they were wrong.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327578#Comment_121327578

Well maybe you should talk to those posters then about that.

I happen to think she did a good job arguing her point against a media that is supposed to be impartial but in reality is far from it.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327363#Comment_121327363

These are the kind of people that supported the killing of Rabin. Rabin wasn't some hippie left-wing idealist either. He just saw that for real security to be achieved you need a political solution long term. The Israeli far right don't want that though. At least this cretin got the sack.

McGiver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327484#Comment_121327484

False made up accusations. This is war. They will strike Hamas wherever needed if the proportionality is justified. The calculation is made by the stronger party. The reality of war against a death cult mafia. You should be happy they indeed make calculations, the likes of Assad don't. Let's not pretend that Hamas, if it could and had Assad's arsenal at their disposal, would not behave like Assad. Decades of experience with the Hesbollah confirms that.

Israel cannot tolerate an adversary that wants to eliminate it and whose objective is their total annihilation. They made this obvious on 7/10 and declared the war. End of the story. Israel is doing what it should have done in 2007.

onlymeself

If anyone is interested, look at AlJazeerah news now. Following a civil defence worker. Eye opening to say the least. If your one of those who still thinks Israel have a right to do everything they are doing, have a look at that and tell me you feel the same.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327554#Comment_121327554

Laying siege to a population and denying them basic necessities including water definielty belongs in the middle ages

blackcard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327150#Comment_121327150

According to Wikepedia which you quote, Jews owned 5.67% of the land in Palestine in 1945. It is not surprising that they would accept the 1948 UN Plan as it benefitted them enormously whilst it was a shockingly bad deal for the Arab population. "Israel taking a bit more land as a buffer vs what a British diplomat drawing on a map" is a nice way of saying they stole land that wasn't theirs. 700, 000 Palestinians were displaced as a result of the UN Plan and Israeli war. Israel with 1/3rd of the population ended up with the lions share of the land.

Btw, this doesn't justify any of the actions of Hamas

keynes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327641#Comment_121327641

Indeed. Letting Palastinian children perish under rubble or starving them to death is just as abominable as anything Hamas has done. Israelis are arguably worse since they have the technology to avert many of these civilian deaths.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327544#Comment_121327544

Yup, hands up I misread what you had said, this is why i shouldn't post before I've had my morning coffee 🤦‍♂️

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327595#Comment_121327595

Can you provide an example interview? All the ones I heard were the exact same robotic defence of the indefensible.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327668#Comment_121327668

Seems to be a few people saying that the 1947/8 partition was wrong .

But that was the decision by the people at the time.

We are not going to go back in time to argue with them .Maybe they were right and you are wrong ,anyway.

They had the advantage of being expert on the situation at that time. We have the benefit of hindsight

Move on and adapt.

votecounts

I see an Israeli minister thinks it would be a good idea to nuke Gaza and those wanting to avoid this should flee to Ireland or the desert. Nice chap and yet we have people here who will refuse to condemn him or his ilk.

Lowest form of life

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327635#Comment_121327635

Israel is doing, and always has done, exactly what it needs to do to keep, and take more of what it should never have had.

Anyone with a bit of common sense would say that Israel are doing exactly what they need to do to accomplish their goals.

Anyone with a bit of humanitarian spirit would say that Israel are doing exactly what they need to do to satisfy the greed of Zionists.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327682#Comment_121327682

Israel need to start letting in food, water and medical supplies in bulk very soon. The current trickle of aid is deliberate.

Women and newborns bearing the brunt of the conflict in Gaza, UN agencies warn | UNRWA

Women, children and newborns in Gaza are disproportionately bearing the burden of the escalation of hostilities in the occupied Palestinian territory, both as casualties and in reduced access to health services, warn the United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF), the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA), the United Nations sexual and reproductive health agency (UNFPA), and the World Health Organization (WHO).

Prior to the escalation, malnutrition was already high among pregnant women, with impacts on childhood survival and development. As access to food and water worsens, mothers are struggling to feed and care for their families, increasing risks of malnutrition, disease and death.

The lives of newborns also hang by a thread. If hospitals run out of fuel, the lives of an estimated 130 premature babies who rely on neonatal and intensive care services will be threatened, as incubators and other medical equipment will no longer function.

Over half of the population of Gaza is now sheltering in UNRWA facilities in dire conditions, with inadequate water and food supplies, which is causing hunger and malnutrition, dehydration and the spread of waterborne diseases. According to initial assessments by UNRWA, 4,600 displaced pregnant women and about 380 newborns living in these facilities require medical attention. Already more than 22,500 cases of acute respiratory infections have been reported along with 12,000 cases of diarrhea, which are particularly concerning given the high rates of malnutrition.

An immediate humanitarian pause is needed to alleviate the suffering and prevent a desperate situation from becoming catastrophic.

Jimi H

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327635#Comment_121327635

Nonsense there’s nothing proportional about the mass murder and I can’t understand anyone who might think it might be justified. They’re bombing homes, hospitals, schools, bakeries, water towers, refugee camps, ambulances etc. We’ve seen lots of Israelis coming out proposing the genocide of the Gazans including two government ministers. There’s an Israeli government ‘concept paper’ to displace the entire Gazan population to Egypt. It’s government policy to expand the illegal settlements and we’ve seen the IDF and settlers kill Palestinians and demolish their homes and livelihoods in the West Bank. This is a state that used to harvest Palestinian organs FFS. Justified my hole

Rezident

"Hamas is part of the Palestinian people. Like it or not"

At least the Palestinian Ambassador is being honest. So there can never be a lasting peace here.

So what is the Palestinian plan for the 7 million Jews there? Is the "plan" to move them somewhere else or just death?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327635#Comment_121327635

I believe what Israel is doing is disproportionate. It's not necessary. So, I believe it contravenes the fundamental principles of international humanitarian law, where the concepts and principles of necessity and proportionality are key.

Micheal Martin

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327479#Comment_121327479

I would say Ireland is very anti-Israeli policy towards Palestinians, but has no issue at all with Israel or Jewish people or Israel's right to exist as a nation.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327716#Comment_121327716

There's extremists on both sides and while they continue to promote such hatred they prolong the suffering. It was the same in this country.

It's people like that who both corrupt the minds of their own people and reinforce bitterness and hatred in the minds of their foes. Hamas and Israeli politicians have both been guilty of it.

People often wonder how the Black and Tans could have been so cruel to the people here and how could the young men and women of the IRA committ cold blooded killings and ambushes. When humans go through immense suffering it changes them and they may carry out actions, or make statements, they never would have only for how their life experiences have influenced them.

McGiver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327668#Comment_121327668

Boring.

Jordan attacked Israel and stole the West Bank (with the help of Egypt - 2 on 1). Then Jordan attacked Israel again (ganged up with 2 others, so a fair fight 3 on 1). Israel kicked their arse, kick them out and took the West Bank. Then it agreed to give 40% of the West Bank to the PA - it was not obligated given that it was attacked twice. Israel's goodwill. In the light of this, your post is a wrong.

It's the same PA that hasn't denounced the 7/10 Hamas attack (because they approve of it). And that's a much better version of the PA than it used to be. No wonder Israelis have been reluctant to do anything with these clowns. Yet, dozens of negotiations were attempted, some with success and some without.

Cluedo Monopoly

Netanyahu actually said his minister's nuclear bomb comments were metaphorical! 😂

We are dealing with clowns here. Scary too.

McGiver

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327734#Comment_121327734

From the river to the sea - no Jews, annihilate them.

Even the PA still believe this genocidal fantasy after being defeated so many times. It took Arafat 40 years to abandon it. Once they abandon it, negotiations van start again.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327554#Comment_121327554

Yes, what happened on Oct 7th was savagery, but no more or less than what we have been seeing since. And seeing it on a much greater scale.

And as has been pointed out repeatedly, the conflict and savagery and death did not start on Oct 7th.

All Palestinians are not Hamas, and all Israeli's are not their government, and all Jewish people are not Israeli. A lot of people have to accept that they cannot have things entirely their own way. This is probably most specific to Hamas, I've no problem saying that.

But the focus of the vast number of people who are expressing solitude with the people of Palestine is on trying to stop the savagery that is right now happening to them and we are way past it being ok to use Oct 7th as an excuse to continue treating them the way they are being treated.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327823#Comment_121327823

I think you are in the spiral phase now.

Any response to Martin's words yesterday?

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327800#Comment_121327800

Someone should mention that to Murphy, he doesn't even want Israeli food in supermarkets.

Ten of Swords

@buzzerxx threadbanned

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121327811#Comment_121327811

Israel's goodwill? The only goodwill involved in the creation of Israel was towards Jews and for the benefit of Jews. What about goodwill towards all? Why do you support the greedy plans of extremist Zionists to create a state for Jews built on the misery of of anyone else who gets in their way? Because that's what it comes down to, they pushed and pushed for this for over a hundred years and they threatened and harrassed to get the vote over the line for partition. And yet theres still people who think no one has ever had a right to oppose them, not even those they displaced and continue to displace for their own benefit.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326861#Comment_121326861

That bakery was coming right for us

Gatling

The 37 children still being held hostage in Gaza by hamas

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-who-are-the-37-young-hostages-held-in-gaza-12999303

brickster69

Iran unveils its Hypersonic missile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAkw9HxvLlU&t=144s