Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383043#Comment_121383043

I think I heard the plan (or a major part of the plan) was to break through to the West Bank.

Is it surprising that they were unable to coordinate something with the West Bank so as to link up?

I heard they made it half way across the Israeli territory...Had they had help it might have been even more significant.

They must surely have some clandestine or open Hamas operatives on the West Bank.They can't have been that cut off (the population there supports them now ,apparently -did it also support them before all this happened?)

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383032#Comment_121383032

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza

Some people think Israel don't control the Rafah crossing, so how does Israel control the calorie count into Gaza?

Some believe Gaza was never under occupation since 2007.

Imposing any kind of restriction on basic food imports is inexcusable.

Rezident

First on the ground, another report of Hamas putting a two month old baby into an oven in front of the parents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxAzdk9GDVA

This not war, this is nothing to do with land or any of the other distractions. This is different. Hamas must be excised from humanity like the cancer that it is. Enough, too much. And no more funding to Palestine until Hamas is long gone.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383078#Comment_121383078

So the rest of the world should join Israel with collective punishment on the citizens on Gaza by withholding lifesaving aid?

Be complicit in war crimes? Nah, no thanks.

This.... This... This.. As horrific as the 7/10 terrorist attacks were, nothing Israel can do can undo it. Israel are not under imminent threat from Hamas.

Cancer is a good analogy, you target cancer, you don't just go jabbing away limbs and think it will cure the patient. You miss the smallest piece and it will come back with a vengeance. The world grieved with Israel, but I'm sorry to say the absolute destruction of Gaza by the IDF has totally overshadowed the deaths on 7/10. That's on the IDF. Israel could have milked the front pages for weeks, had a cool and collected response, instead they drove the Palestinian cause to the front page. It in a way dishonors those who were butchered on 7/10. You don't defend against war crimes with war crimes, you don;t honor the dead of 1200 with the killing of 12000.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383043#Comment_121383043

Do you have a credible source for a Hamas link of IDF officers to be raped?

Is it like the revelation of the secret Hamas document to attack junior schools on October 7th, a public holiday?

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383070#Comment_121383070

Of course. Calorie counts are meaningless if you are not getting even the basic quantities of food.

tigerboon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383126#Comment_121383126

No. I don't keep links in case someone on boards is looking for "proof ". Guess what I said means f**k all so...

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383078#Comment_121383078

So a 2 month old baby was burned in an oven in front of it’s parents when the only baby reported killed in Israel in October 7th was a 10 month old girl tragically killed by gunfire.

It always amazes me how we are expected to believe these stories from people who allegedly come across a scene after the fact and then recount in detail how everything happened and in what sequence. Like the story of the family at breakfast whose daughter had her leg cut off in front of the parents then the son had his fingers or toes (depending on who is telling the story) cut off in front of them while the terrorists laughed and ate breakfast before killing them all.

It’s like when a pub bore recounts a story of an event which they didn’t witness and in order to convince you the story is true starts going into detail they couldn’t possibly know, then he said, then she said, when they weren’t even there.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383139#Comment_121383139

I tried to google "IDF officers to be raped", it's the total opposite. have a look and see, you can understand someone looking for a link rather than looking through claims of IDF soliders raping Palestinians.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121382710#Comment_121382710

We know how it will end- America's unwavering support for Israel. Even if the IDF admit- which I doubt they will- the command center was not under the hospital, it will be brushed under the carpet- especially if they subsequently find the main command center in Southern Gaza as Olmert has suggested they will. I am just wondering is there anything Israel could do that would actually make the American Goverment condemn them? If that day comes Israel might then start to give a ****, until that day comes they won't really care what the rest of the world thinks of them.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383139#Comment_121383139

Sure.

This girl told me, you wouldn’t know her she goes to a different school vibes.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383139#Comment_121383139

Don't bother. There are people on here disputing that any rapes even happened. This despite the victims testimony, and images of women with blood soaked pants and bodies of women and girls naked from the waist down going viral for all to see .

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383139#Comment_121383139

Please give a source or let us know where we can look for it.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383160#Comment_121383160

Without wishing to diminish the savagery and barbarity of Hamas for a moment, there actually are some doubts that large numbers of women were sexually assaulted that day. Independent observers and monitors say that whilst it is undoubtedly true that at least 800 Israeli civilians were murdered in cold blood on October 7th (mostly through being shot), they've seen considerably less evidence of women being raped on a large scale.

It's certainly noticeable that whilst videos taken from killed Hamas terrorists show numerous shootings of civilians taking place, there don't seem to be any of women being sexually assaulted.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383160#Comment_121383160

The viral photos of victims of October 7th, shared by the IDF that were actually photos of Kurdish victims from May 2023?

https://medyanews.net/israeli-evidence-of-hamas-war-crime-revealed-to-be-fake/

Tell me how

More disinformation from the IDF.

https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1725601875112726528?t=UcxXgEsPYsoh-rLiXW8ykw&s=19

Jewish people are going to suffer because of the actions of Nethanyahu, his government, the IDF and Israel enablers in this moment.

The world is watching them butcher Palestinians as they look to take over Gaza with a PR campaign that showcases serious levels of fame news.

Not everyone is going to dissassocciate innocent Jewish and Israeli people with the people doing this and some will undoubtedly suffer as a consequence.

Hamas is not all Palestinians

Israeli warmongers and genocide advocates are not all Jewish people.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383185#Comment_121383185

No. The ones like this. She is heavily bleeding. Perfectly innocent though I'm sure. Not gonna post some of the other, verified photos of half naked female victims, including Shani Louk. Easily found if you so wish.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1711431838860812412

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121382917#Comment_121382917

I’m honestly shocked you’re saying they’re restricting themselves and “for instance they have not used nuclear weapons” like it’s some form of moral high ground and then following up knowing they would lose military aid if they did. My mind is blown…

Jimi H

It’s devastating seeing so many civilians killed and injured. I’m really disappointed with Biden with his ‘no red lines’. Netanyahu said back in the 90s that the US were easy to handle and it’s proving to be the case. There’s going to be a whole new generation across the Middle East who will view Israel as the enemy and who knows if this will lead to wider conflicts.

Also more disinformation from the Israelis exposed here by the NY Times who attributed blame for bombing Al Shifa to Hamas when of course it was them. Lies and lies and more lies.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CztzAowuTBq/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383002#Comment_121383002

Erdogan - Scholtz press conference in full yesterday.

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1725665467061133484

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383182#Comment_121383182

“Without wishing to diminish the savagery…”

This thread is packed with posters exaggerating what the IDF is doing (“genocide””ethnic cleansing” etc) whilst at the same time playing down what Hamas did.

Aside from Tell me how’s good effort a long time ago now, posters alternative plans for Israel/the IDF in Gaza usually amount to “well I wouldn’t do this or that”. Unfortunately that won’t do, sadly. The number of innocents killed is tragic and to be condemned but Israel have to get rid of Hamas in Gaza who hide among civilians and civilian infrastructure. I don’t know how else Israel get to Hamas infrastructure in Gaza without going into Gaza.

Of course Hamas in Gaza could release the hostages and surrender but, they won’t, so the suffering sadly and tragically continues.

Given the surprise of the 7th Oct attack ‘the end game’ for Gaza is unknown. As we saw with Iraq and Libya that can be very difficult. As I said near the outset of this thread Gaza could be Gaza on the Med if the terrorists would lay down their weapons and wicked ideology and focus on living instead of dying, not to mention focusing on good for the Gazans rather than evil for the Israelis.

If Gaza was peaceful Israel would have no reason/excuse to build walls etc etc etc.

Snooker Loopy

Israel found feck all at Al Shifa hospital, so now they're going to flatten it.

https://twitter.com/bendepear/status/1725796525928804388

https://twitter.com/bendepear/status/1725796529502392509

brickster69

Just rumours for now.

https://twitter.com/financialjuice/status/1725582627736781209

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383043#Comment_121383043

Sources within Hamas have said they were shocked at the lack of resistance on the day and how much time they were let run loose and that certain elements may, as a result, have gone a bit far.

Which is still far short of being any sort of apology.

The IDF are hideous evil ****.

My jaw is on the floor at what they are at this morning.

Objective 1 is they want all Gazans out of Gaza at all costs. They couldn't give a **** about saving their own civilians.

That is as clear as daylight. The world is slowly waking up to the gaslighting nonsense.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383509#Comment_121383509

Some of us said from the start that this was what it was all about - an ethnic cleansing, a genocide of Gaza. And then the West Bank too.

We are being proven right.

Israel is the moral equivalent of Russia, of Assad.

For all Von Der Leyens grandstanding - this is absolutely going to have an impact on Europe. If things keep going on the same trajectory, another couple of million refugees will be sent this way dispersed across systems struggling with capacity as is.

She has gone quiet lately.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383210#Comment_121383210

Of course you’re not. The photo posted by the IDF of the victim naked from the waist down was from a different conflict in May 2023 and was deleted by the IDF once exposed.

Are you claiming that Shani Louk was raped too? Like the president of Israel claiming she was decapitated.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383558#Comment_121383558

Who knows what the future will bring, but it is racing certainty Ireland's position in the world will be greatly enhanced for the stand it has taken on this matter.

freebritney

It was clear from thr get go that Israel saw a golden oppurtunity to clear Gaza after Oct 7th. The simple murder of 100's of civilians wouldn't be enough to justify what they were about to do so they started to "sex up" the details with stories of beheaded babies etc.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383608#Comment_121383608

Certainly Hamas will look lovingly towards us.

Civilized countries not so much.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121381933#Comment_121381933

'' The day job'' ?? Have you seen the employment figures for Gaza?

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383667#Comment_121383667

Yes, that amazed me about some of the revelations from October 7th. There are tens of thousands of Asian migrant workers in Israel, many from Thailand that work 5 year contracts while at the same time, literally a few kilometres away and hundreds of thousands of unemployed Palestinians who aren’t given work permits.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383549#Comment_121383549

None of this mayhem would be happening of Hamas had not triggered a war.

Russia went in without provocation.

tayto lover

I have seen support for Israel dropping steadily among my acquaintances in the last fortnight. People who were definitely in support of Israel now doubting much of their news reports and seeing them for what they really are ie just as brutal and murderous as Hamas. I think there's real doubt too among many of their supporters here but they don't want to be seen to lose face.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383624#Comment_121383624

I think most of the "civilized" worlds populations will also. Just a few lunatic politicians may not., but they won't be around for long.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383667#Comment_121383667

I dont think Hamas give a great listed salary + benefits alright. Probably listed as unemployed

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383486#Comment_121383486

The West Bank situation would suggest you are wrong about it turning into Gaza on the med. If Nethanyu and his ilk somehow remain in power they will be happy to maintain the status quo. They have no interest in Gaza on the med. You won't want to admit it but this is why Bibi was happy to prop up Hamas in Gaza to stifle any movement on the West Bank.

It suits him perfectly for Gaza to become Israel's security responsibility thus removing any chance of a workable political solution. The only chance is if a moderate like Olmert got into power ,but I believe his or the life of any moderate would be in danger from the far right in Israel if progress towards a political solution was made. We saw what happened to Rabin.

brickster69

Israel denies the hospitals claims that it has one hour to evacuate the building.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1725798348610056317

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383675#Comment_121383675

Yeah, one of them was getting his head hacked off with a garden tool while he was still alive. Guess it was justified because Hamas weren't given work permits.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383588#Comment_121383588

What we know about Shani Louk is she is dead. The piece of bone found was the Petrous bone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrous_part_of_the_temporal_bone?wprov=sfla1

This comes from within the cranial cavity. The Israeli president updated his remarks fairy shortly after that she was possibly beheaded. This is not an unusual assumption if you consider the only part of Shani Louk found was this bone it not an out of this assumption to consider she was beheaded.

The only way for that bone to escape the cranial cavity is for the head to be as least partially. removed. The Israeli president was probably told part of her skull was found.

Was Shani Louk the body on the back of the pickup truck we do not know. If not it's probably another female that pretty dispicable things happened to.

We do know many people were burnt and some were set on fire alive. We do know that women and children were murdered.

What we have now is some trying to throw the fog of war over the atrocity of October 7th.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383784#Comment_121383784

No, hurting Thai workers is no more justified than killing thousands of Palestinian children.

brickster69

He only went out for a bite to eat lads.

https://twitter.com/Ray_Zakir/status/1725812337049997698

Canadian politicians could face prosecution before the International Criminal Court (ICC) if evidence emerges that they have facilitated Israeli violations of international law.

https://twitter.com/MiddleEastMnt/status/1725646287905726745

mikewebber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121382827#Comment_121382827

Hopefully our leaders will speak out more forcibly when the Irish have left Gaza

It's shocking what's happening

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383677#Comment_121383677

Because it was all sunshine and rainbows before the 7th October and nothing, absolutely nothing happened to create a rapid escalation. Completely out of the blue.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383793#Comment_121383793

The president of Israel went on television, made statements which were untrue and picked up and repeated by the world media before the truth emerged, not by him apologising and correcting his lies but by independent journalists.

https://youtu.be/v9Ax1Spks1w?si=1gVJgtRkuwJLuEqh

When you talk of the fog of war, I would hope that an objective inquiry into the events of October 7th will reveal the truth of the victims of that day. Did Israeli hellfire missiles burn terrorists and hostages to death on the road to Gaza, did Israeli tank and artillery fire kill people in their homes in the Kibbutz’s.

Why have stories of dozens of babies being killed, including being placed in ovens and being beheaded circulated even though only one baby has been confirmed killed by gunfire on October 7th.

Who is spreading this misinformation and why?

Hopefully the truth will come out.

xtal191

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1725512505701638529

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tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383709#Comment_121383709

You'd wonder what drives them to work for nothing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383821#Comment_121383821

Not at all, but it is undeniable that Hamas brought on this current war. No country could have tolerated the attack they launched.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383851#Comment_121383851

Well it is not an completely out of this world assumption to make that her head was removed or partially removed from her body as the only part found was the Petrous bone.

We know Islamic terrorists have a history of what is called beheading which is a much more brutal act. Beheading gives the impression of chopping, however Islamic terrorists literally cut the head off with a knife.

To effectively carry out this act you do not cut across the neck as it would be very hard you carry out the action that a butcher carried out when removing the head of an animal.

The knife follows the bone up under the jaw towards the ears and then cuts back towards the spinal cord and bones to remove the head at the weakest point. Where it joins the skull.

An action like this is about the only way the Petrous would fall out of the cranial cavity. So it looks like a Hama's terrorist cut her throat fairly deeply before her body was removed from where the Petrous was found