Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488606#Comment_121488606

Blumenthal and anybody to do with Grayzone are not remotely trustworthy. The Grayzone is a front for pro-Russia and pro-Assad propaganda. They're "pro-Palestine" merely because Israel is allied with the US, not out of any genuine concern for Palestinian lives.

The whole Grayzone thing is a massive grift. Anybody who is pro-Russia and pro-Assad but claims to support Palestinians is also a grifter. And there are plenty of other grifters claiming to be "pro-Palestine" like Jackson Hinkle, Lucas Gage, Anastasia Maria Loupis.

Pretty much everything Israel and its "Team Israel" online supporters say at this stage amounts to grifting.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488745#Comment_121488745

First of all, you've engaged in anti-Semitism there by conflating Israel with "the Jews". Israel does not equal "the Jews".

Calling to "gas the Jews" would obviously be a call for genocide. But how many people involved in pro-Palestine protest worldwide have this view? It's an absolutely tiny amount as far as I can see and none of them have any power, whereas the call for genocide and the practice of genocide is indivisible from what Israel now is. It is state policy and it's the policy of pretty much everybody internationally who supports Israel.

I agree this is a binary situation. One is either in favour of the genocide of Palestinians or one is not. You have decided that you are in favour of it.

What is happening in US universities at the moment is a disgrace. I'd strongly recommend the below article by the ever excellent Peter Beinart.

https://jewishcurrents.org/harvard-is-ignoring-its-own-antisemitism-experts

Main points:

Harvard and other major US universities are being effectively blackmailed by wealthy pro-Israel donors and US politicians.

Harvard and other major US universities have set up anti-Semitism taskforces made up of people with little or no expertise in relevant fields, who are overwhelmingly pro-Israel, while ignoring eminent people in the discipline of Jewish studies and other relevant academic disciplines such as study of the Israel-Palestine conflict itself.

The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism is bullshlt because it classes anti-Zionism as automatic anti-Semitism, which it is not. The Jersualem Declaration on Anti-Semitism which is much more informed by actual genuine academic inquiry does not conflate being anti-Israel with being anti-Semitic.

This clamping down on criticism of Israel has had a chilling effect on free speech in US universities (cheerled by the laughably hypocritical self styled right-wing pro-“free speech” brigade) and is a two fingers to actual academic inquiry and is in reality a pro-Israel political project which threatens to undermine the discipline of Jewish studies itself.

Meanwhile Israel and the Israel lobby ignores genuine anti-Semitism as long as it is perpetrated by people who are sympathetic to Israel. Elon Musk is the latest and highest profile example.

igCorcaigh

UNGA: 153 member states voted in favour, 10 against and there were 23 abstentions.

dmcdona

So, assuming Israel continues destruction of civilian infrastructure in Gaza (last I read 60% of living accommodation was destroyed/damaged beyond use) gone), where will whatever is left of the Palestinian population live or go?

And if that is the case, is Israel not simply perpetuating what has been going on since the 1940s - i.e. they will remain surrounded by people and nations that bear a very strong grudge against them? And therefore they are destined to be forever afraid of whatever might happen next? It all seems so pointless. I see no "win" here for Israel.

Talks on a two-State solution would surely be in everyone's interest?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488746#Comment_121488746

Who knows.

If it takes weeks they'll all have time to be taken out, same as the jihadis will be able to walk out as well.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488839#Comment_121488839

It's not in interest of the Israeli right. The last thing they want is a political settlement.

This is why they propped up Hamas over the last few years.

igCorcaigh

My problem there, with the statement from AUS etc is that they demand that Israel respect international law, and prevent civilian deaths, but also agree that Israel has a right to eliminate the threat that Hamas poses from Gaza(wrong wording, I can't remember).

It's easy to say that from the chair in the UN, but how can that square be circled (apologies for the idiom)?

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488931#Comment_121488931

Yes - the irony of propping up a terrorist organisation.

But if the right becomes overwhelmed by local and international pressure (elections perhaps?) and Netanyahu (and others) gets the comeuppance reported on since the start of this conflict/war, surely the only game in town is a two state solution? Or continue with the deja vu.

I see Biden said today that Israel does not get to say "no" to a two-state solution.

The reason I'm on this track - whilst looking for reference to the Irish funded school blown up earlier this week, I thought I'd found a source. Until I looked at the date of the report. You'd be hard pressed to figure out the report was from July 2014 and not in the last couple of months.

'The world stands disgraced' - Israeli shelling of school kills at least 15 | Benjamin Netanyahu | The Guardian

So, how the heck does this end? The wiping out/forced repatriation of all Palestinians or a two-state solution? Or something else?

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488944#Comment_121488944

Unless I'm reading you wrong, I don't see see a conflict between respecting humanitarian law and a right to defend oneself against terrorists.

What Israel is doing though is pretty much carpet bombing Gaza to destroy those terrorists and thereby taking out a very large number of civilians and other non combatants. I think that's what has public opinion turning against Israel - not the principle that they can do it but their methods of doing it.

I haven't seen anyone on this thread supporting Hamas. I think many here are simply against the civilian slaughter by the Israelis of innocent civilians.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489002#Comment_121489002

You're either against imperialism or you're not, it doesn't or cannot depend on who's perpetrating it. The Grayzone are pro-imperialism when it's perpetrated by Russia. So they are not anti-imperialism, they are pro-imperialism.

Glenn Greenwald is another king sized gobshlte who is a thinly veiled booster for Trump, Putin and the "anti-woke" agenda who interviews the likes of Ben Scallan from the far right Gript in this country.

Bellingcat are a reliable source. They are not "deep state", because "deep state" as it is used as a term of abuse doesn't exist in reality. Sources which have hitched their wagon to the mast of Israel obviously do exist to a greater or lesser degree. But there are also "Team Palestine" sources which are deeply untrustworthy.

It is obvious which sources have hitched their wagon to the "Team Israel" mast and which are (at least) objective.

I'd recommend Oz Katerji and Bruno Macaes as good objective international accounts to follow on Twitter. Channel 4 News is as good as you'll get for objective coverage in the western media. Israel's Haaretz is excellent too because they are not "Team Israel" and are extremely objective in their coverage while being close to the heart of the conflict.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488939#Comment_121488939

The Zionist crowd are apoplectic with rage at Jewish people who say they oppose the bombing of Gaza, calling them "traitors" and "not real Jews" and so on.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488823#Comment_121488823

First of all, mathematically speaking, your position on Israel and the Jews is not sound given that a plurality of the worlds Jews live in Israel.

Jews - Wikipedia

So I reject your accusation of anti-Semitism out-of-hand. IMO There is no solution to the Middle East problem unless it includes safety for the 7 to 7.5 million Jews who live in Israel. Secondly, all the stuff I highlighted isn't targeting Israelis, like the mob in Cooper Union or the protest in Australia where the delightful people waving the Palestine flags outside the Sydney Opera House. They were all very clearly targeting Jews. "Israel" was just the scapegoat, if it was even relevant at all.

Secondly, you cannot blame Elon Musk or the "far right" or whatever for anti-Semitism since the above actions had nothing to do with the Right.

Thirdly, the fact that those who do want to actually gas the Jews supposedly don't have the power to do so right now, isn't really reassuring. There was a time when a certain moustachioed painter was just rabble rouser in the beer halls in Germany.

As to what I favour, I'm not in support of any particular action by Israel or another, per-se. But I am broadly in support of their right to exist and to do whatever is necessary to annihilate groups like Hamas, PIJ etc. Because these groups have made it clear that this is a fight to the death.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488944#Comment_121488944

You can legitimately say they have a right to eliminate Hamas, but not to murder unlimited innocent civilians in the process.

If there is one lad suspected of having an AK47 in the middle of a crowded refugee camp, you can say they can go in and get him if they want, but they can't nuke the entire camp from orbit killing everyone within a 500m radius because they think he might be Hamas.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121488746#Comment_121488746

It has nothing to do with hostages or Hamas. Pumping in seawater will destroy the few aquifers that Gaza has. Just another step in the great big game of ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489125#Comment_121489125

Conflating Israel and "the Jews" as you have done is anti-Semitism. There are no ifs or buts about this.

Israel itself does it, because it is a propaganda technique to lay the ground for the ludicrous situation we are in now that basically any criticism of Israel is automatically deemed anti-Semitic by supporters of Israel. At this stage supporters of Israel and propagandists for Israel are essentially indivisible.

It is Israel's propaganda technique that is anti-Semitic because they promote the lie that Jews = Israel.

Israel doesn't care that they promote this anti-Semitic fallacy because a lot of stupid people buy their bullshlt and it serves as a silencer of criticism.

Israel through Benjamin Netanyahu also promotes lies about the Holocaust. Netanyahu has seriously tried to claim that the Holocaust itself was a Palestinian idea, not a German one. Israel's firm propaganda line now is that Hamas are worse than the Nazis. This is basically Holocaust denial because it denies the unique evil that the Holocaust was.

Anti-Semitism is unquestionably a problem anywhere it exists. But Israel has relentlessly pushed for a fake and mendacious definition of what anti-Semitism is because such a fake definition benefits it massively in silencing opposition to its genocidal policies.

In reality:

Criticising the state of Israel is not anti-Semitic.

Saying that the creation of Israel was a mistake is not anti-Semitism in and of itself.

Proposing one state is not anti-Semitic.

Calling for "intifada" is not anti-Semitic in and of itself.

The "from the river to the sea" chant is not anti-Semitic in and of itself.

Comparing Israel's modus operandi to that of the Nazis is not anti-Semitic, if merited. Such comparisons are absolutely merited now.

To say otherwise is to propose a regime of crushing political correctness, to genuinely clamp down on free speech, to demand a chilling cancel culture. The "anti-woke" lunatics who mendaciously claim to be against political correctness, pro-free speech and anti-cancel culture, in reality they hold the exact opposite of each position they claim to hold.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489268#Comment_121489268

The fact that a plurality of the worlds Jews now live in either Israel or the Disputed Territories, clearly and flatly contradicts most of that rubbish. It is mathematically nonsense. Calling for the destruction of Israel with chants like "From the River to Sea" would directly imperil about 7.5 million Jews.

Supporting the right of these people to exist in safety is not anti-Semitic. Anti-Semitism is what we've seen on US college campuses and among the Left mirroring the call of Iran and Hamas for the 7.5 million Jews to be driven From the River into the Sea.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489338#Comment_121489338

It has nothing to do with "maths". Conflating Jews with Israel is one of the most pervasive anti-Semitic tropes around and you are repeating it.

Israel genociding another people has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with hotheaded revenge without strategy, and total disrespect for the right of another people to exist. Genocidal ideology.

Did you read the article by Peter Beinart I posted about what is happening on US college campuses? It is supporters of Palestinian rights who are being silenced and threatened in a chilling culture of clamping down on free speech.

sock.rocker*

Israel is roughly the same as the caliphate that ISIS was trying to set up there a while back. It's a religious state arbitrarily set up that continually settles land around it that is not theirs and it is killing non-believers in the process. Its leader proudly displayed a map of Israel with its borders expanded and Palestine completely wiped out. European and Americans Jews move to Israel and settle this land in the same way Muslims from around the world moved to the caliphate.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489125#Comment_121489125

First of all, mathematically speaking, your position on Israel and the Jews is not sound given that a plurality of the worlds Jews live in Israel.

Yeah, we've seen the videos of them, from London, Brooklyn, Florida, Budapest, Austria, Texas, Australia and so on, all saying that 'this is our land'. Not those people who can trace back 6 plus generations of their families living in the area. It's ours, OURS!

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489354#Comment_121489354

Maths and facts have everything to do with it. 7.4 million Jews - a plurality the total, depending on your count - live in Israel or the Disputed Territories. That's a fact. As to your piece, reviewed it briefly. Nothing there IIRC mentioned what would happen to the 7.4 million Jews if the anti-"Zionists" got their way.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489421#Comment_121489421

Well, they tried various forms of a two-state solution (including accepting the original partition plan of 1947), then respecting revised borders until 1967 and most recently had abandoned the Gaza Strip in 2005, and none of it has worked ... so far.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489433#Comment_121489433

Wrong again. The majority of Israeli Jews are either Mizrahi or Sephardi Jews who fled there. Full blood Ashkenazi Jews (a.k.a. the white ones) only comprise 30% of Israel's Jewish population. In all, 80% of Israeli Jews were born in Israel.

Israel - Wikipedia

StarryPlough01

THE GUARDIAN

Israeli military kills six in Jenin, Palestinian officials say – as it happened

UN general assembly votes to demand Gaza ceasefire ​

The UN general assembly overwhelmingly voted to demand an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza.​

The resolution for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire passed with 153 members voting in favor, 10 voting against, and 23 abstaining.​

The countries that voted against included:​

* The United States​

* Austria​

* Israel​

* Paraguay​

The United Kingdom voted to abstain.​

“The United Nations general assembly overwhelmingly voted to demand an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza. The ceasefire resolution passed with 153 members voting in favour, 10 voting against and 23 abstaining. The US, Israel and eight other countries – including Austria, Guatemala and Liberia – voted against the resolution.​

"The US looked increasingly isolated on the world stage after the UN ceasefire vote, which highlighted the stiffening consensus around the world for the need to stop Israel’s relentless assault on Gaza. In contrast, the previous UN resolution calling for a “humanitarian truce” on 27 October attracted 120 votes in favour and 14 against, with 45 abstentions.​

"Joe Biden said Israel was starting to “lose support” from the international community due to its indiscriminate bombing in Gaza. The US president added that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu needed to change his hardline government.​

"Israeli tank shelling on Tuesday was focused on the centre of Khan Younis, southern Gaza’s main city, residents said. Israeli airstrikes there killed 11 Palestinians, including two children, health officials said. Further south in Rafah, bordering Egypt, strikes killed 22 people including children, officials said.​

Starry:

Australia, New Zealand, Canada and India. …. (as news breaks on which countries abstained) VOTED IN FAVOUR OF RESOLUTION.

BUT... UN should send in blue helmets now. That’s the only way this vote will mean anything at all.

‘Australia shifts position to vote in favour of UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire’

‘Australia joins 152 nations to vote for resolution that expresses grave concern over ‘catastrophic humanitarian situation in the Gaza’

Daniel Hurst and Katharine Murphy

Wed 13 Dec 2023

Australia shifts position to vote in favour of UN resolution calling for Gaza ceasefire

"Australia has voted in favour of a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza and an immediate and unconditional release of all hostages in an emergency session of the United Nations general assembly.​

"In a shift in position, Australia joined 152 other nations in voting in favour of the resolution on Wednesday morning. Canada and New Zealand also voted in favour.​

....​

StarryPlough01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121486553#Comment_121486553

Owen Jones was *holding power to account*.

https://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

StarryPlough01

More detailed info from AP

UN General Assembly votes overwhelmingly to demand a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza

By EDITH M. LEDERER

UN General Assembly votes overwhelmingly to demand a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza

“UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to demand a humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza in a strong demonstration of global support for ending the Israel-Hamas war. The vote also showed the growing isolation of the United States and Israel.​

"The vote in the 193-member world body was 153 in favor, 10 against and 23 abstentions, and ambassadors and other diplomats burst into applause as the final numbers were displayed. The United States and Israel were joined in opposing the resolution by eight countries — Austria, Czechia, Guatemala, Liberia, Micronesia, Nauru, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay.​

…​

“Tuesday’s vote showed major shifts in voting. More than 25 countries that abstained on Oct. 27 supported Tuesday’s cease-fire demand, including Albania, Australia, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Ethiopia, Finland, Greece, Iceland, India, Iraq, Japan, Latvia, Monaco, North Macedonia, Philippines, Poland, South Korea, Moldova, San Marino, Serbia, Sweden, Tunisia, Tuvalu, Vanuatu and Zambia.​

"Croatia and Fiji went from voting no on Oct. 27 to voting yes on Tuesday, while Hungary, the Marshall Islands and Tonga went from voting no to abstaining.​

 

Ulixes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489421#Comment_121489421

I'm not aware of any posters here supporting genocide. I'm not even aware of any posters who are supporting the Israeli Government and the IDF's actions in Gaza. I'm not going to reply directly to the details of a post full of hyperbole and false premises. If you can only see this as a binary discussion, and from your post that seems to be the case, then there's little point in engaging with you further. Shrill pearl-clutching is not a sound basis for a discussion.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not accusing you of being at him level but there are echoes of that moronic anti-Semite Boyd Barrett in your posts.

brickster69

Chilling image out of Gaza.

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1734716483681288494

brickster69

Israeli communications minister

https://twitter.com/evanhill/status/1734717736343765195

Timberrrrrrrr

Israel demolished a cemetery because they could

https://x.com/EyeonPalestine/status/1734862614390268286?t=WARSAYvjCYrMxYufaxJnDQ&s=09

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489789#Comment_121489789

Self defense, tunnels, command centre.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489009#Comment_121489009

I agree if Bibi and his Far right coalition along with Hamas are gone after this war there might be a chance for a political settlement. As things stands Bibi does not want the PA to take over in Gaza after the war,the Americans if the political will is there can force the issue , but will they is the question. All Bibi really cares about is staying in power this is the real reason he is intent on continuing the war, he hopes by crushing Hamas he can rehabilitate his image as Mr Security and remain in power. I don't think it will work, but it won't stop him from trying.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489632#Comment_121489632

You are not aware of any poster supporting the IDF actions in Gaza. Do you have certain posters on ignore or not read through the discussion from where you left off, I ask because there are posters who fully endorse what the IDF are doing and have described them as using a kid gloves approach to Gaza. A view clearly at odds with how even their closest allies sees the war being conducted in Gaza.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489434#Comment_121489434

It has nothing to do with it. You are continually repeating the anti-Semitic trope that Jews = Israel. This is an anti-Semitic trope. You're proving my point that Israel and supporters of Israel are very happy to engage in genuine anti-Semitism if they feel that anti-Semitic propaganda narratives can benefit Israel. This is a morally bankrupt, principle-free position to hold.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489426#Comment_121489426

I can't stress enough that the Grayzone and anybody affiliated with it are a propaganda front for Russia and Russia's geopolitical interests and a cancerous tumour on the arse of public discourse. Max Blumenthal literally travelled to Moscow in December 2015 to be Putin's dinner guest and started the Grayzone a month later. He immediately went from being anti-Assad to being pro-Assad and fully in line with all Putin's positions, where he has remained ever since. Why? Because there's $$$$$$ in doing this.

I don't have a view of the US as being a heroic actor in the world at all. Outside of their contribution in Europe in the two World Wars and afterwards which we should all be thankful for, their contribution in the world has been overwhelmingly disastrous, borne of arrogant ignorance and often evil. Their position in regard to this conflict is morally outrageous, I do not think it would be over the top to describe it as evil and I say that as somebody who fervently wanted Biden to win the 2020 election and still hopes he wins the 2024 election given that the alternative is somebody who has referred to themselves as a dictator and threatens to plunge both America itself and the world into total chaos.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489437#Comment_121489437

The notion that Israel is not a settler-colonial state is as ludicrous as the notion that the US or Australia or Argentina are not settler-colonial states.

The absurd farce that is right wing "discourse" can be summed up by the fact that the far right in Europe absurdly fantasise about being genocided by peaceful migrants to their countries yet fervently support a settler-colonial state which was created by violence and is now committing genocide against the native population.

Ulixes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490065#Comment_121490065

I have seen posters support the need for the IDF to be in Gaza but I haven't seen posters support all of their actions. That's not saying there haven't been, I may have missed them. There are certain posters that I tend to ignore, though I haven't any on my ignore list.

It's interesting that Biden has said that Netanyahu needs to change the composition of his coalition, in other words ditch the crazies. Though in my opinion he's one of the crazies.

Ulixes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490223#Comment_121490223

"You're proving my point that Israel and supporters of Israel are very happy to engage in genuine anti-Semitism if they feel that anti-Semitic propaganda narratives can benefit Israel."

Surely you mean some supporters of Israel and some Israelis?

Ulixes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490017#Comment_121490017

He wants to stay in power and therefore, crucially, out of prison.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490355#Comment_121490355

Yes, that's what I meant. He was even prepared to upend the constitution in order to avoid going to prison. This is why I can't see him listening to Biden about removing his fellow crazies, he is beholden to them . I could possibly see a move being made against Bibi by others if America twists the arm of the Israeli Government, but Biden doesn't have the bottle to do so, especially given he trying to court the swing vote for the next election

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490345#Comment_121490345

Israel itself, right to the top, to Netanyahu, engages in anti-Semitic narratives it thinks will benefit them. These narratives are widely spread by Israel's online support.

It is a concerted strategy.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489969#Comment_121489969

Are they expecting dead Palestinians to rise up in some sort of Hamas zombie apocalypse?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490223#Comment_121490223

There have been anti-semitic slurs and tropes bandied about against Israel and Jews in general over the thread.

That is "Genuine anti-semitism" - to your words.

Care to find the posts where you challenged these?

But the one that you use to make a stand against is conflating the interest of Jews and Israel as a state?

So without those posts...

"Principle free position"? That is your phrasing - and seems a perfect description of your post.

Your claims have no credibility.

Sweet.Science

Havent paid attention in a few weeks

Whats the latest ?

Snooker Loopy

Here's an example of anti-Semitism Israel won't object to.

This video is genuinely fcuking mental. Trump’s dinner buddy Nick Fuentes calls for the execution of “the occult element among the high levels of society”. Which means “the Jews”, as Fuentes makes very clear.

But you won’t hear total fraud Elise Stefanik of the House Republican party criticising this guy, because he’s a major opinion former in right-wing America, and her ally.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1734318948454375596

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490223#Comment_121490223

That is a nonsensical position. If someone points out that the anti-Israeli position being adopted by another person/poster is just a screen for that poster/person's anti-Semitism, that doesn't make the person pointing that out an anti-Semite.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490420#Comment_121490420

State what you believe is anti-Semitic and what is not, and why.

You believe the claim that conflating all Jews as a group with Israel is NOT anti-Semitic.

Here's why it is.

It holds that Jews are automatically "disloyal" to their country of origin, it holds that all Jews are responsible for the actions and crimes of the state of Israel (they are not), it turns Jewish individuals, schools, places of worship or businesses into "legitimate targets" for protest or intimidation in response to Israel's crimes because it conflates these things with Israel (when they are absolutely not Israel), and it promotes crazy ideas of a "Jewish world conspiracy".

Israel is being deeply irresponsible and engaging in prima facie anti-Semitism when it claims that opposition to Israel's crimes is an attack on all Jews worldwide.

Snooker Loopy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490455#Comment_121490455

The person in question has not pointed out any anti-Semitism and they themselves are pushing an anti-Semitic trope. I have thoroughly explained why the trope that poster is pushing is anti-Semitic.

Meanwhile you are resorting to throwing around accusations of anti-Semitism in a similar ludicrous manner to how QAnon supporters throw around the slur "paedophile" with absolutely zero to back it up.

Snooker Loopy

This is straight up racism. Targeted for wearing a scarf. Who is being intimidated on US college campuses again?

https://twitter.com/sparrowmedia/status/1734759140042441156

And may I remind people of this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/03/vermont-one-of-three-palestinian-american-students-shot-paralyzed

One of the three college students of Palestinian descent who were shot in Vermont last month is paralyzed from the chest down after a bullet lodged in his spine, the student’s family said.

Hisham Awartani, a 20-year-old student at Brown University who grew up in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, was walking with two friends near the University of Vermont campus in Burlington on 25 November when, police say, 48-year-old Jason Eaton shot them with a handgun in a suspected hate crime. Eaton has pleaded not guilty.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121489002#Comment_121489002

Such a deep, deep hole. "Deep State Bellingcat" from a tweet by the widely discredited journalist Greenwald.

Deep state. Have more Trumpflakes with your breakfast.

brickster69

Reports of an execution style massacre at an UNRWA school where peoplewere seeking refuge

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1734921717653381176

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490607#Comment_121490607

All we ever seem to hear about in the media is 'anti-Semitism' but I would suggest Islamophobia is a much, much bigger problem in Europe and the US. Jewish people are often middle class and well educated in real life, but Muslims are depicted as refugees, terrorists, rapists, spongers, uneducated, a threat to security, misogynistic etc.