Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121691510#Comment_121691510

“close to the bone” might have been how you phrased it last time. It just a bit boring tbh. At least other posters have real arguments and don’t make up stuff about racism.

I just think name calling and blaming everything on racism is weak.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692555#Comment_121692555

Not as weak as making up things which are clearly untrue and you can't backup when called out on it.

Perhaps you'll think twice before accusing someone of something the next time.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692541#Comment_121692541

I'd suggest that if you don't like your inconsistencies being pointed out to you then be more careful when you make them.

What the UAE or Saudi Arabia give or don't give is of no consequence to Ireland or any other country. Nor should it be. If you can give us a reason why it should be, then fire ahead. You've told us it has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion, so tell us why their actions should be informing ours?

Might it be your case that Saudi and UAE are the global leaders on human rights and that we should always follow their lead?

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692573#Comment_121692573

sigh. it’s there and you know it. i’m not wasting my time taking back over 970 pages. you were called out on it and defended yourself.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692484#Comment_121692484

How many times have posters on here (perhaps even yourself) posted to the effect that the fact that other countries won't "take in" Palestinians as "proof" that Palestinians are (at best) undesirables and therefore less deserving of help.

Would you apply that same logic to the case of Jews fleeing Germany in the 30's and 40's? Or would that be another one of those selective inconsistencies that appear to be quite common among posters on these threads - the fact that Egypt won't take in 2m Gazans en-masse is somehow proof that Palestinians are inherently undesirable but the fact the Ireland wouldn't take in Jewish people 80+ years ago is somehow proof that Irish are racist today. We can't, of course, flip those to say that the reason that Egypt won't take in 2m Palestinians is that they are racist and the reason that Ireland wouldn't take in Jewish people is that they are inherently undesirable. This is why I find such logical inconsistencies to be fascinating. Because the person posting them has obviously convinced themselves that the dissonance doesn't exist.

Given that you already have to reach back over 80 years to try to score some stupid point, why not go the whole hog and point out that there were no Jews in Ireland under Brian Boru.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692651#Comment_121692651

Said without evidence dismissed without evidence

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692603#Comment_121692603

It’s nothing to do with “brown” as you well know.

They are in the region, some have vast wealth and influence and aren’t a bit shy about criticising Israel etc. How many refugees do SA, Iran and other neighbouring countries etc take in? Why do you think Iran didn’t want the SA/Israel deal to go ahead?

Your bringing up the race thing over and over is still very boring and weak but overheal is a fan so.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692672#Comment_121692672

You have plenty of posts on here, and you have plenty of opportunity to explain yourself. Which you haven't done - only resorted to ad hominem.

I'll ask the question of you that I asked of SeanW. If geography and distance is your defining factor for deciding on aid, then did you equally protest Ireland giving aid to Ukrainians given that Cairo is closer to Kyiv than Dublin, yet Egypt were not taking in as many nor giving the same assistance?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121691963#Comment_121691963

The countries that suspended or stopped funding are hypocrites too. Many supplying the weaponry to Israel to be used against children. But you're probably in support of that.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692497#Comment_121692497

Because they have evidence, including cell phone records placing them at the massacres. Also, this evidence plus further information that 10% of the organisation are Hamas or PIJ operatives, with 50% having close ties to members of said groups, was deemed compelling enough for multiple countries to suspend funding. I know some people won't believe an Israeli news outlet but the other articles on the WSJ and NYT are paywalled.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-intel-shows-10-of-unrwa-workers-in-gaza-have-ties-to-terror-groups-report/

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692114#Comment_121692114

You have 11,500 reasons to wave your Israeli flag. One for every child murdered, average age 5 years old.

Robert Nairac

That Ireland continues to give money to UNRWA is disgusting and unsurprising. State financing of Islamic terror. Probably the most antisemitic country in the Western world; a rotten distinction to have.

Jihadist terror attack on Jewish people in North London. The left has created an environment where people feel comfortable in engaging in antisemitic acts. They emboldened antisemites.

Saw a girl at the protest in Cork wearing a Hamas headband. "Anti-zionist" I'm sure.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692700#Comment_121692700

Stick to eating taytos instead of making assumptions on what I do or don't support.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692084#Comment_121692084

Removing UNRWA will fast track the famine and disease which meets Israel's objectives.

What are their objective?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692740#Comment_121692740

Your posts gave you away.

tandcapply

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692655#Comment_121692655

Jews lived in European countries for hundreds of years, even during WWII, most Jews killed were Europeans and many wanted to go back to their countries of origin or remain in their countries after WWII ended in 1945 and in the few years following that, there was no other country for them. Britain wouldn't let them go to Israel to join the jews there.

Palestinians AFAIK, never lived in Europe and despite the Irish love affair and false similarities with the Irish struggle, did exactly F all for the western world or Humanity, were 30% of novel prize winners, for example, are (mostly) European Jewish and Israelis since the 50s.

No one wants the Palestinian even now because any country that took them on, never got them integrated (Lebanon, Jordan, even Ireland with it's freedom fighters import after the siege they put on a church).

This "Palestinian problem" dates back to 1948 or 1967, whichever way you incline

tandcapply

I see some people here keep looking for proof for Hamas wrongdoings, but when given any proof,they dismiss it off hand.

This is not a real discussion, just trolling in my opinion.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121691881#Comment_121691881

They have been confirmed by the head of the agency, who said he has sacked some staff.

The allegations relate to 50% of the staff being involved with Hamas. That needs investigation.

We expect more from a allegedly neutral UN organisation.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121691684#Comment_121691684

Oh dearie me. You have read the book and still don't get the cultural reference?

I now feel like I am living in 1984.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692828#Comment_121692828

Yes Blanch, especially in the middle of a genocide.

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692757#Comment_121692757

Let's see what their ministers are saying at the moment

"Several of the lawmakers who addressed the event, including far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, spoke about “encouraging voluntary emigration” of Palestinians from Gaza, as well as resettling the Strip, which Israel withdrew from in 2005. Participants broke into singing and dancing, with Ben Gvir among those seen joining the celebrations. Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party, went further, suggesting that the emigration need not be voluntary during wartime."

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692733#Comment_121692733

Sorry to break it to you but Irish people have empathy, they dont want to see children dying due to lack of food, water and basic medical care. Or do you think the children are to blame for attacking Israel? Calling Irish people anti semitic is like calling the pope a Muslim, no human being could be that silly.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692837#Comment_121692837

So now it is a "cultural reference". 🤣 ............ The word which doesn't appear anywhere in the book is a reference to that book . Perhaps it is also a cultural reference to Peig? War and Peace maybe too. It probably doesn't appear in either of those either.

The poster knew full well what he was doing when applying it to Palestinians. As do you. Even though you did not apply it directly, you are standing up for it's use.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692793#Comment_121692793

So to repeat, the fact that "nobody wants" Palestinians proves that the Palestinians are undesirables (or as strongly implied - subhuman)?

Whereas the fact that "nobody wanted" the Jewish people proves that everyone else was just racist?

Same broad scenario, completely contradictory conclusions.................Pick and choose random a-la-carte masquerading as some kind of "logic"

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692333#Comment_121692333

UN overall is a terrorist organisation imo

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692694#Comment_121692694

First, you’re the one chucking the word “racists” about. I just called you out again for it so you are really describing your own tactic.

Secondly, I didn’t say it was a defining factor but it’s certainly interesting to me. I’m not sure anyone has answered the original post btw especially since you tried to confuse the issue with your weak racism ‘argument’. It’s interesting to me that it appears the local wealthy countries aren’t as interested and/or invested as the evil westerners.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692950#Comment_121692950

You "called me out" on something? Are you going on again about all these phantom posts about me calling you a racist. That there are so many of them that you can't find them.

I thought you had accepted that and I was happy to leave you slink away with your tail between your legs. Why bring it up again? It's lies. You simply resort to ad hominem. So I will now invite you again to post all these links to post of me calling you a racist.

If you keep bringing it up, I'm going to keep asking you for the posts. Your choice.

Thanks

Robert Nairac

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692882#Comment_121692882

No empathy shown for the victims of the Palestinian terrorist attack of October 7th somehow. That you think Irish people cannot be antisemitic is nonsensical. There are plenty of antisemites in this country.

How many terrorists must UNRWA employ before you would support withdrawing funding? It is inappropriate to give money to an organisation whose members participated in the greatest killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust.

Gazans elected Hamas. They support Hamas. They overwhelming supported the terrorist attack of October 7th according to a survey conducted by a Palestinian university. It's a shame that children will needlessly die in this conflict.

Palestinians should leave terror and Jihadism behind. It has brought them nothing good.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692842#Comment_121692842

That is not their stated objective though.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692971#Comment_121692971

How many terrorist IDF soldiers should be allowed to be captured live on camera executing defenseless Palestinian civilians before the Western countries stop sending the zionists that lovely money and weapons?

We've had plenty of examples - not least them shooting "their own" 3 people - literally explained away by a spokesperson at the time as being that they were shot because they were dressed like Palestinian civilians. The woman walking across the square waving the white flag with her child. The man caught on camera last week by the ITV correspondent also waving the white flag and getting shot as he walked down the street (it was even raised in the UK parliament).

Will you call for any action on those? Most likely not. But will you chomp at the bit at any excuse to starve the Gazan population ......... your post gives the impression you would. All we have is an initial claim that the IDF got 12 names from "interrogating terrorists". Less than one tenth of one percent of their employees........and even at that the Israelis later changed to their claim to being that they got the info from surveillance..............but a good enough excuse for many to collectively condemn a population to even more starvation.

Israel gets what it wants. It is in control and cultivates the environment in which certain groups are the only ones that can prosper. The is an irony in someone with your username being apparently oblivious to such facts.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692933#Comment_121692933

One of the dumbest opinions I have ever read on this site and that is not an exaggeration.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692971#Comment_121692971

Irish people have plenty of empathy for the Oct 7th attacks, it's just we don't think it gives a licence for murdering thousands of innocent children. Hamas attacked Israel not Palestine or are you trying to claim children in gaza have blood on their hands? Antisemites in Ireland exist in your imagination due to the fact that you cannot grasp the fact that anti Zionism and anti semitism are very different. I like Jewish people but I draw the line at Jewish people who think nothing of young children getting murdered.

I'm in favour of waiting till we have had a chance to investigate into how many UNWRA employees were involved in Oct 7th before making our decision. If Israel want to be viewed as a civilised country then surely they should care about children starving to death.

Yes terrorism makes things worse but murdering civilians tends to produce more terrorists

Strazdas

Timing of the Israeli announcement about UNRWA was extremely suspicious - less than 24 hours after the ICJ preliminary judgement mentioning genocide. Anyone would think they and their mates in the West were trying to manage the news cycle. Even if they had info about a very small number of rotten apples in UNRWA, they must have been sitting on this story for many weeks.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693078#Comment_121693078

They've been saying it for ages that funds to the UNRWA were going straight to Hamas and that they were deeply involved with the terrorists. One of the released hostages had said she was held in a UNRWA teacher's house also. The people who don't believe it now didn't believe it then either shockingly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692046#Comment_121692046

Well earlier that particular poster was signing off with:

“F(u)ck Israel, F(u)ck Zionists and their supporters and IDF soldiers burn in hell!

From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.”

Perhaps you overlooked that, but tinytobe clearly has their measure.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693138#Comment_121693138

Again, I asked for FACTS about the central argument. Not ad hominems.

If there are facts to share, it shouldn't require asking 3 times for them to appear.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692232#Comment_121692232

OK, one point, but it's the Jews which are the oppressed ones, and have been. It's as simple as that.

But in the end, it's a difference of opinion.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692733#Comment_121692733

That's exactly it. UNRWA is terrorist and the Irish government is financing it.

Just lovely where your tax money goes to?

Wouldn't it be better to finance another LUAS line in Dublin? Or a bit more housing for Ireland?

ceadaoin.

Here is a story from November about unrwa staff celebrating the October 7 attacks and possibly being involved. It's not the case that they were "sitting on the story" until now, but actually they were investigating and collecting evidence so that they could prove it. You know, like they are supposed to do?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/unrwa-teachers-praised-hamass-october-7-massacres-report-finds/

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690618#Comment_121690618

Ahh. So this is where you say it's ok to bomb innocent women because it's better for them? These bombs don't discriminate between men and women, unlike Hamas? is that the defense for bombing innocent children?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121690699#Comment_121690699

Currently there's a blockade of one of the crossings into Gaza by Israeli civilians. And The Israeli military cut off massive amounts of aid. So in my book, Hamas a scum for preventing food getting to Palestinian civilians. So are the Israeli military and the civilians who block access to the aid entering gaza in the first place.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693183#Comment_121693183

So you are call Israeli's scum for preventing Hamas getting aid?

Timberrrrrrrr

Another day, another israeli war crime

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1752222094367101283?t=P4mrjrQK-sBilrL6P6qkbA&s=19

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693232#Comment_121693232

Without further context, this looks like one of those special forces operations that people were calling for yesterday as an alternative to indiscriminate bombings.

The young man in the footage who was put on his knees and had a coat placed over his head was unharmed and not mistreated from what I saw.

Who were the targets of this raid?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693216#Comment_121693216

For preventing everyone getting aid.

Aid goes into Gaza. Some goes to Hamas. The rest goes to ordinary people. Ordinary people starve. That's called collective punishment.

Anyone, Hamas or israel, who stops starving children from getting food aid, is scum. No whatabouttery. This is humanitarian aid. It's food, clothing, basic medicines. It's not armaments. It's not building materials. It's not cars or luxury items.

If the policy is we want to starve Hamas by starving everyone, then it's wrong.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692889#Comment_121692889

Crazy stuff.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121692700#Comment_121692700

I'm amazed how a small irrelevant island suddenly think they are so important and they are morally correct and other much larger democracies are wrong.

Small man syndrome

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693372#Comment_121693372

Does it matter? They executed 3 people in a hospital, that's a war crime.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693078#Comment_121693078

Let's be absolutely clear on this. The proven info about UNRWA may be only a small number, but the allegations which need to be investigated are much wider than that, hence the withdrawal of funding by countries like Finland and Switzerland, really neutral countries.

For countries like that, who have a strong tradition of supporting internationalism and the UN, the idea that a UN agency is intertwined with an organisation directed at the genocidal elimination of the Jews is horrifying. As it should be to all.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121693546#Comment_121693546

But if you condemn the October 7th attacks, you must also commit to dealing with those who participated and supported those attacks. If that includes a UN agency, the logical step is to stop funding that agency.

However, that logic isn't being applied by those who under the cloak of apparently condemning October 7th, are really Hamas supporters seeking the elimination of Israel. Easy enough to spot.