Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761205#Comment_121761205

Oh, I agree. He was a softie. He was corrupt also. Truth be told he was more interested in protecting himself than the people of Israel. Israel let their guard down too much under his watch and the country suffered as a result. October 7th proved that Israel needs to be on it's guard 24/7 as long as Hamas exists.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760968#Comment_121760968

Did you? Maybe you can post some confirmations other than from this vatnik?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761252#Comment_121761252

Don't worry, hamas will be wiped out for all they have done.

Hopefully the Palestinians will rise up against them as well.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761200#Comment_121761200

It looks like the majority (maybe 60%+) are extremely hawkish and radicalised. But keep in mind that for the ones who oppose the regime, it's probably dangerous for them to express their views in public : they would risk ostracization and being labelled a "traitor" to Israel by friends, relatives and work colleagues. There's more than a hint of an authoritarian dictatorship about the place at the moment, very difficult for anyone to go off message in public.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761271#Comment_121761271

I did, I read the whole thing

If you can't be bothered to read it then that just proves you're not interested in discussing evidence you would just rather attack the source.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761288#Comment_121761288

I've heard of teachers being fired for saying on social media that they believe the attacks are over the top. It's definitely a "if you're not with us, you're against us" kind of vibe there.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761275#Comment_121761275

We're gonna wipe out Hamas and we don't care how many innocent men, women and children have to die.

Unfortunately I think you will find that israels genocide of the Palestinian people will ensure that Hamas (or whatever comes after) will have plenty of volunteers for decades to come.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761192#Comment_121761192

That is of course true, but everyone knows that is not going to happen. Hamas are bad guys, they will not give up. If you don't object to Israel killing civilians until Hamas do the right thing, then you may be supporting the killing of civilians for quite some time.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761319#Comment_121761319

They are going to wipe put hamas because hamas and it is hamas who do not care.

War by its nature is brutal, especially urban warfare and when you have a force that wants its population killed at Israeli hands and forces that despite every effort to prevent it you will have some losses.

The Palestinians are lucky it is not any of the other neighbours they attacked, they would have multiples lost already.

There will be as many as there always has been, nothing will change that.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761312#Comment_121761312

And, can you summarize? Because you don't have any evidence - you have accusations. Comes up all the time on Boards. Evidence is presented in court and the truth of accusations decided then. Stuff on Twitter or in any other media is accusations.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761339#Comment_121761339

Israel: Go to Rafah, you'll be safe there.

Also Israel:

https://twitter.com/amwogakhalwale/status/1757070593021616294?t=mx-I6PgJIBtkf3dvluVaeQ&s=19

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761275#Comment_121761275

I don't get how people think Palestianians will blame anyone other than the Israelis for what Israel is doing.

In the Irish war of Independence, there were plenty of attacks by the Black and tans. And the IRA had committed atrocities. There's many times the retaliations were in actual retaliation for IRA actions. Yet unsurprisingly, the IRA were never blamed for the actions of the Black and tans. The tans were an occupying force that targeted civilians. Everything they did actually generated support for the IRA.

The same in the north. Although I hate PIRA and think they committed atrocities, every action the British army took that harmed civilians increased the IRA's support.

Generally when a foreign power starts killing civilians, the people don't blame the people on their own side. they quite rightly blame the people pulling the trigger/pushing the button.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761349#Comment_121761349

If you're too lazy to read the thread then that's on you, make all the accusations you like, you're the one dismissing evidence because you don't like the source.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761352#Comment_121761352

The theater of operations changes, now the people are being given an opportunity to move to safety.

Has any army in living memory paused it's own successful operations to allow such opportunity for civilians to move to safety, can't think of any.

It's also in Palestinian interests that Israel secure the Rafah region, it will stop hamas from stealing food aid from the people.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760638#Comment_121760638

Well not exactly: you liked a post querying (utterly implausibly) the veracity of the hostage rescue and generalising out from that to cast doubt on anything Israel says, and then you replied to my post pointing out why this was so implausible, with a completely unrelated question about the Israeli ambassador.

No response to the actual point of course. And still nothing. If you really wanted to ask me about the ambassador, it’s quite easy to do that without trying to deflect a separate discussion.

Of course the way you immediately declared that you knew what my answer to that unrelated question would be shows you aren’t actually interested in my answer at all.

Although I admit I’d be quite amused to know what I think about her, if you could let me know. 😁

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761353#Comment_121761353

The Palestinians are the aggressor party though, besides pretending either side have any relation to here is strange.

Weepsie

More complete and utter horseshit. You can't tell 1.2 million people they will be evacuated before military operation and then bomb them 12 hours later. Then they simply say well Hamas won't let them leave.they have far too many convenient, and nonsense excuses.

They're saying one thing and doing another.

Netanyahun is the lowest of the low at this stage. As bad as the guys on the other side

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761367#Comment_121761367

"now the people are being given an opportunity to move to safety."

But they're not, why would you believe that when the last 2 places they were told to go were bombed shortly afterwards?

You want 1.5 million people to move AGAIN?

Also how will it "stop hamas from stealing food aid from the people" when the aid is being blocked by Israeli settlers?

Timberrrrrrrr

Remember kids

Israel are the "good guys" Hamas are the rapists and this all started on Oct 7th.

https://twitter.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1757049165979517310?t=GC-qZ4oEGF66UTJF_aYTWA&s=19

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121760763#Comment_121760763

Yes indeed it would be astonishing because no Jewish males over 19 were released in November apart from a couple (maybe even only one) Russian Jews, done specifically as a favour to Putin.

The names and photos were all announced at the time for goodness sake.

I’m on my phone and outside so can’t link but if you read the articles properly, that part about Louis Har has been added to the article which was originally about other members of his family who were in the November releases.

(If it’s that hard for you all to read, I think that says a lot about how reliable your versions of events in general are. You’re clearly so eager to read a version that you really really want to see written there - and what pro Hamas propagandists have told you is there - that you’re happy to ignore common sense and things you already know to be the case. No wonder so many people are spreading the “Jews did this to themselves deliberately” nonsense. FFS)

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761319#Comment_121761319

Israel will not stop until Hamas is destroyed. Everyone can agree on that given the current state of affairs. The Palestinian people have a decision to make at that point. If they chose Hamas again then we are going to see a repeat of the last few months over and over again. It saddens me to say and think that but it's the truth. When the time comes to chose, I really hope they decide to go down another path.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761318#Comment_121761318

Yes, and not only are they labelled traitors to Israel and the Jewish faith, they are accused of being 'pro-Hamas' and 'pro-October 7th' and wishing to see the state of Israel destroyed. This is how far down the propaganda rabbit hole they have gone.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761401#Comment_121761401

How do you "destroy" an ideology?

Do you think that the children who have seen their families murdered will just forget about it in a few weeks?

Timberrrrrrrr

Hey, there's innocent children starving just a few miles away, what should we do?

I know....let's hold a party and block any aid trucks trying to get in to help them.

Pure scumbaggery

https://twitter.com/Lowkey0nline/status/1757326323712774650?t=OknITE6ujnPMswvFMbgPCw&s=19

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761383#Comment_121761383

The reasoning that "Israel is a foreign power" "we attacked it" "they're attacking us back," "stop, stop, we're losing!" while launching rocket and other attacks is pretty remarkable.

But, this was all Hamas' plan. They're absolutely willing to fight until every drop of Gazan blood is shed. None of what's happening is the slightest surprise to Hamas, I believe they're very happy with the results. Plus, it obviously pays, considering how well Hamas' leadership lives in Qatar.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761367#Comment_121761367

Mosul, Iraq. Extremely similar situation. Terrorist group entrenched in a densely populated city (less population density than Gaza) same group using human shields. Yet the coalition forces manged to evacuate civilians and eradicated ISIS there without being accused of genocide.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761424#Comment_121761424

they are animals, a scourge on humanity.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761386#Comment_121761386

Ideally it would be hamas that move its forces out of Rafah, that isn't going to happen so Israel changes tack, again, and facilitate the people to move to safety.

Having them move saves lives.

Many of the families of the kidnapped are protesting at the trucks, they are deeply hurt and angry and do not understand why Israel must be so only country to endure attacks and then feed the enemy fighters as well.

The govt will ensure that the food gets through though.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761450#Comment_121761450

Arab lives only matter when there are Jews fighting back.

A million + dead in the region in last decade and not a peep, and still counting

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761467#Comment_121761467

I don't follow, what's them being Arabs got anything to do with it? The battle for Mosul is the closest battle I can think of that is similar to the war on Gaza. The coalition forces manged to evacuate Mosul, cleared the city of ISIS and didn't end up in front of the ICJ. They have shown how to defeat terrorists who use human shields. The fact they are Arab is non pertinent.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761511#Comment_121761511

I think that joke has been made by a few posters here already. I guess that Israel would love if they expel a good portion of the Gazan population to other countries but like the Jews in Germany pre ww2 no one one wants to take them on, even to save civilian lives.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761455#Comment_121761455

"Ideally it would be hamas that move its forces out of Rafah"

If Hamas are in Rafah then why did the IDF tell the Palestinian civilians to go to Rafah promising them it was "safe"?

"The govt will ensure that the food gets through though."

And yet they're not, there's children starving to death and Israel sits by and allows it.

Timberrrrrrrr

I remember a time there was outcry because some US/UK soldiers took demeaning pictures of captured people in the likes of Guantanamo Bay.

Israeli soldiers post these types of video on their social media and the world stays quiet.

https://twitter.com/BeckettUnite/status/1757156002292490661?t=GNuCLhuqDIPY3vraXozf5g&s=19

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761525#Comment_121761525

I don't think that the Irish hypocrisy (particularly that of the opposition parties) on this issue is a joke. Sinn Fein, Social Democrats et al are all for the Palestinian cause but if the government decided to put 150 single male Palestinian refugees into a town in Ireland, they would be up in arms criticising lack of consultation etc.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761557#Comment_121761557

Sinn fein is generally supportive of asylum seekers ( to their political detriment) so I'm not sure that is entirely correct. I think the Israel hypocrisy related to how they treat the Palestinians considering how they were treating by the Germans and the world pre ww2 is more of a joke.

Timberrrrrrrr

Another 2 journalists targeted by Israeli murder drones, I won't embed the tweet as there is some blood involved.

https://twitter.com/MawtiniLevent/status/1757370334284570715?t=Qxmzo9BY8v-H7gxrMC-LbQ&s=19

Danzy

Al Jazeera Journalist.

ALSO Training and intelligence officer.

You don't get a paying job from the outside in gaza unless you are hamas.

Journalist roles tend to be filled by members of the Hamas intelligence team.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761424#Comment_121761424

I wonder how long Palestinians in the illegally occupied West Bank would be allowed to protest and blockade and obstruct Israeli authorities before getting mown down by machine gun fire

2-seconds? 1 maybe? Shoot first, then shoot the ones coming to retrieve the bodies. I'd say "shoot first and ask questions later" except for the fact that they wouldn't bother with the latter part.

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761399#Comment_121761399

I think you are purposely ignoring the fact that;

A) in an article published by the Times of Israel on the 19th December stated the name Louis Har.

B) That article with the published date of 19th December now states that the Louis Har was released on 12th February 2024.

Do you not think it’s strange that they would edit an article from 2 months ago? Maybe a journalist here would correct me if I am wrong but that would not be best practice as far as I am aware. So naturally, people would ask questions.

Also for your reference a snip of the prior article.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761339#Comment_121761339

Agreed - war is brutal. But there are rules and laws.

Killing civilians to the extent the IDF has been doing, a war crime (Genocide). Killing those surrendering - a a war crime. Killing medical workers - a war crime. Etc.

What other neighbours would the Palestinians have attacked? And when you say "lucky", do you think the Israelis are perpetrating a "light touch" genocide?

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761557#Comment_121761557

ya they really should have to not leave their own land, may be a better idea if the isrealis pissed off back to what ever country they came from

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761367#Comment_121761367

Has any army in living memory paused it's own successful operations to allow such opportunity for civilians to move to safety, can't think of any.

Are you saying the current campaign by Israel is a successful operation? If so, I guess that sounds like full support for genocide and the return of 3 hostages (alive) in exchange for 100,000 dead and injured?

And as the rest of the world is pointing out, there is nowhere safe in Gaza. The Israelis probably mean "safe areas" as in its safe for them to commit more atrocities.

And its not Hamas stealing the food aid, its Israel and the Setters who are not letting it in.

But sure, the ICJ will sort that out I'm sure. Along with the ICC.

Timberrrrrrrr

Hospital loses power due to lack of fuel

10 year old girl in intensive care dies.

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1757300507775734109?t=IwTx31yntGHIE8WAsxWagg&s=19

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761774#Comment_121761774

I get the impression that the "success" part for the Israelis is the 100k Palestinian - mainly civilian - dead or injured. The hostages part is just a useful tool for PR purposes.

Timberrrrrrrr

3 unarmed men trying to start a motorbike, Israel drops a bomb on them

It's genocide

https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1757361355491860643?t=7nHrIMoM4WLtY4DYfb1D4w&s=19

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761379#Comment_121761379

So, liking a post is somehow full agreement with the post itself?

I would often post a "thanks" for anyone taking the time and effort to post information here - on review of said information I would then post a response if I felt necessary.

It really is bizarre that you are making all those assumptions on the basis of someone clicking a "thanks" button. But then perhaps you're just grasping at straws.

I asked you a simple question about the Ambassador, I think you're the one doing all the deflecting. Therefore, as I said, I know what your answer is so I'll waste no more of your time.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761822#Comment_121761822

Off you go then: what is my answer?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761383#Comment_121761383

Are they the agressors? People tend to say that hamas started "this round". And yes, Hamas did launch an attack. But remember that israel had been killing Palestinian children on a regular basis up to that point. It could be argued that Hamas started this round because of the escalation in violence. But if we say an escalation in violence is "starting it" then the Israeli attacks have been so severe since then it could be argued that that israel is starting a new round.

At this point I don't think anyone can actually point the finger and go "they started it". Even if you go back to the 40's and before it can be murky. These discussions always turn into whatabouttery. And it was the same in the north. Everytime an IRA crime is mentioned, PIRA supporters will mention something the otherside did and vice versa. Like saying the other side are scum will excuse your side being scum.

Plus, I very much doubt that when 30k people have been killed in retaliations, that any Palestinian would accept a "Well, you started argument". Like the Palestinian civilians deserve to be killed because hamas started something.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761412#Comment_121761412

They don't have to destroy the ideology, and nor are they trying to. What they are trying to do is remove Hamas from power and ensure they are no longer in a position to organise future attacks like the Oct 7th one.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761434#Comment_121761434

haven't israel said that they want to dismantle the Hamas leadership that's in tunnels? that's why they're dropping heavy ordnance on civilian areas, to destroy bunkers underneath.

If all the hamas leadership are living in penthouses in Qatar, then surely all their efforts in gaza will be for nothing.