Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963842#Comment_121963842

So you are saying that it was all built on a lie? All the claims towards the West for a homeland for Jews due to atrocities inflicted upon them in Europe. The story now is that it was just Middle Eastern Jews who decided to profit off that suffering of others and leverage it to get themselves a foothold into Palestine.

Interesting take. I don't think I've seen it before.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963809#Comment_121963809

30+ thousand dead in Gaza. Over half of them innocent children? Israel is a terrorist state and backed by the U.S who are up to their neck in it.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963922#Comment_121963922

no one would be dead if hamas terrorists hadnt brutally attacked israel

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963900#Comment_121963900

That's kind of a weird take. The Zionists wanted a Jewish state and so lots of Jews went there, from all over the world starting with WWII survivors and then MENA natives. I don't know what role MENA native Jews had in the founding of the State of Israel, however.

lizzyjane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963931#Comment_121963931

Sorry. Wasn't aware this conflict started in October 2023..

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121962714#Comment_121962714

Ah yes was wondering why the thread blew up today.

Looks like with Bibi's pretext for genociding more Palestinians running out of both steam and international support he needed to piss on a hornet's nest to keep the protestors off his back calling for a new government.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963896#Comment_121963896

The regime has killed so many innocent people in the last six months with their indiscriminate bombing of Gaza. I imagine this will be met with a lot of anger tomorrow (reports that a British aid worker was also killed in the same strike as well as a Pole and an Australian citizen).

LowOdour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963931#Comment_121963931

Are people who reply with this just pure thick or on the wind up?

lizzyjane

Does any sane person apart from the blood thirsty psychopaths who support Israel believe what they are doing in Gaza makes them any way safer? The world is looking on in disgust, they are now a pariah state more than ever.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963142#Comment_121963142

But Regina Gigantic Illness, Israel isn't a nuclear state… !

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963933#Comment_121963933

You can't have it both way SeanW. The Israelis are fond of trying to talk out of both sides of their mouth at once. But you can't claim they were all "in the area" beforehand (even though they were not in Palestine …….. so you are even then only saying the equivalent of "someone is entitled to live in Crimea because sure they were living in Russia before the invasion") but at the same time claim they were all coming from persecution in Europe.

Anyway, the reports coming in of yet another Irish person killed by Israel. So I'm not in form for any more of your postings and your idolisation of them.

Overheal

Doctors Without Borders attests that IDF murdered hospital staff point blank

https://www.mediaite.com/uk/doctor-says-idf-executed-medical-staff-point-blank-in-al-shifa-hospital-operation/

 “I am just shocked that we’re still having this conversation. They executed tens of people, point blank, including one of our colleagues, Dr. Ahmad Maqadmeh, who’s a very experienced plastic surgeon. Him and his mother, who’s also a physician. They executed people point blank. And including many of our who’ve been detained now, we haven’t heard back from them. Previous students of mine, detained, young doctors detained. We don’t know if they’re dead or alive. They have been gone for over 100 days. So, to say that this is a strategic targeting of Hamas is an insult to our intellect and our humanity. This is a destruction of people who heal. This is a direct targeting of healthcare workers. I just want to paint a very brief picture of what healthcare workers are telling me there: They’re saying that when they leave the hospital, civilians give them civilian clothing because wearing scrubs is sticking a target sticker on their back. That is how systematically healthcare has been targeted. And frankly, in the last 24 hours, what we’ve seen from Al-Shifa Hospital, what we’ve seen from Al-Aqsa Hospital, and what I worry is coming to the remaining hospitals of the Gaza Strip, because it has been the pattern and we will not ignore it, is a direct and systematic targeting of health care that is unjustifiable.”

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963896#Comment_121963896

Zionist murderers. They are every bit as bad as the Russian's.

Strazdas

I think this week may be the tipping point for that godforsaken regime and its dictator. The stories from the hospital, the bombing of the Iranian consulate and the murder of the aid workers.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963945#Comment_121963945

The Israelis and gazans, will be safer when Hamas are removed from power.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963975#Comment_121963975

It won't be. The American Government won't suspend military aid to Israel. The Israeli Government know it too. They would not have launched the attack on the Iranian consulate in Syria otherwise.

No doubt some posters on here will defend the Israeli attack on the consulate in Syria as a pre emptive attack in the name of self defense, yet they would be up in arms if another country applied the same doctrine to senior IDF figures. They'll probably excuse the killing of the aid workers on the basis that bad things happen in war . They might even try to pin the blame on Hamas. What they won't do is criticise the Israeli Army. If the IDF dropped a mini nuke on Gaza they would still find a way to excuse it somehow.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964035#Comment_121964035

Will that include all the thousands of dead and maimed Palestinian kids?

Lives ruined. They are people too.

Jesus there is no end to how low Israel can go.

Vile SCUM.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964035#Comment_121964035

The Gazans won't be safe until Israel are actually held to a standard that other countries are in terms of how to treat human beings and not treat them as cattle.

We're going on decades now of unprovoked attacks , illegal settling, internment.

How many times have groups of children been targeted. It's not isolated. Bombed playing on street. Snipered playing on beach. Shot walking to shops.

Yes, of course it would be better without Hamas, but we're well past the stage of pretending that they're the bigger problem now.

You can't come up with a single, factual retort to anything. It's all but they're the bad guys or they're going to kill them all. Or some absolute drivel like that.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964124#Comment_121964124

Supporting and aided by the present commander in chief of the US let's not forget.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963761#Comment_121963761

Yep. It's important to remember that DNA is traced based on current populations and not historical populations.

So if someone in the US does a DNA test and gets 10% irish, it means that 10% is in common with the irish population when the sample was taken. It's not based on archaeological DNA that was discovered.

Since so many israelis came from Europe they have large amounts of european DNA. They also have some amounts of DNA going back to the semitic populations in the Levant. However all the arab populations in the Levant will have that semetic DNA but without the chunk of european DNA.

Personally I find it mad that people use the percentage amount of DNA to say whether someone has a right to be a citizen of a country. Or to claim that they have some right to be in a country.

I can't see the logic of saying that some guy who's family have been living in America for 100 years and before that in europe for 1000 years, should have any right to live in any place because of a certain percentage of DNA he shares with some other people.

I did the DNA test with 23andme. I'm 100% paddy. It comes back and says something like 100% Ireland. And then 100% British isles. However my surname is Norman. So in the far past I will have had ancestors who were french and Norse. Should I be entitled to have a place in Norway or France?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964239#Comment_121964239

Israel is a modern, civilised, democratic country.

• It wants to succeed and grow economically like the rest of the developed world.
• It has one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East.
• It is one of the world’s most technologically advanced countries.
• It has survived multiple full-on attacks from its Arab neighbours, but is now working towards normalised relations with those through peace treaties and trade deals.
• While ostensibly a Jewish state, there is freedom of religion; over a quarter of the population are non-Jews (e.g., Israeli Arabs).

Hamas is a combination of Islamist terror cult, oppressive fascist regime, and organised crime mob.

• It wants to eliminate all Israeli Jews (whether by forced migration or by genocide is undecided).
• It wants to replace the whole of Israel with a Sunni Muslim fundamentalist theocracy.
• It promotes antisemitic conspiracy theories and teaches Gazan schoolchildren to hate Jews.
• It devotes all Gaza’s aid and resources to anti-Israel war and terrorism rather than Gazan economic growth or social development.
• It does not believe in human rights, but instead actively opposes things like equality for women, free speech, the right to protest, freedom of religion, public health and safety.
• It throws gay men from rooftops to their death.
• It ignores Gazan women who report being victims of domestic violence.
• It publicly executes moderate Gazans who disagree with its policy of eliminating Israel.
• It steals the foreign aid intended for suffering Gazan civilians.
• And it expects those same civilians to die in their thousands — while they (Hamas) hide in underground tunnels — in order to demonstrate how awful those evil Jews are to poor, innocent Palestinians.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

I would strongly dispute the "modern, civilised, democratic" description of Israel. If they applied for membership of the EU, they would be refused entry owing to multiple violations of human rights (long before October 7th). They are probably a more violent version of Lukashenko's Belarus.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

"civilised" ?

Israel has legalised torture.

Despite being the occupying power over millions of Palestinians, it denies them even the basic protections of the geneva conventions.

It is steadily colonising the west bank, Arab east jerusalem and the golan, all of which are outside its legal borders.

It either assists or turns a blind eye to "settlers" violence against Palestinian farmers and Palestinians in general.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

And yet Israel is quite happy to flout international law, murder UN aid workers, starve innocents and can't deny claims of genocide. But yeh, it's all about Hamas. There just isn't enough eyeroll in the world for you, kiddo.

Overheal

IDF spox runs for the hills after breaking news of IDF cold blood murders of international doctors and kitchen volunteers

https://www.mediaite.com/uk/idf-cancel-lbc-interview-about-world-central-kitchen-killings-with-seconds-notice/

cnocbui

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-airstrike-gaza-kills-foreign-aid-workers-hamas-run-media-office-says-2024-04-01/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

Australia is not happy. These vile zionist scum have just murdered this lady:

Wake up Biden. Trump has just called on Israel to 'finsh off' Raffa. I'd call this as urging genocide:

“You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,”

https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964862#Comment_121964862

The interesting thing is that the regime is no longer even hiding being a rogue or terrorist state. Their fans in the west don't seem to have got the memo though and are clinging on to the idea of them being a peaceful and law abiding democracy.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

I don't care what Israel’s aspirations are, Netanyaho has spent the last two years sending numerous head-kicking and murdering raids into Palestinian areas. Even a year prior to the Hamas attacks I was thinking he was deliberately trying to provoke a reaction. The fact that they new Hamas was planning a large retaliatory action over a year prior, and just let it happen, suggests they wanted it to happen.

It's not what I call civilised. Civilised countries don't steal and deliberately keep an entire people in degraded subjugation hoping they will just go away. It's Apartheid, which few would call 'civilised' behaviour.

We have no solution... You [Palestinians] shall continue to live like
dogs, and whoever wishes may leave, and we will see where this process
leads.
Moshe Dayan

It's gained a lot of it's technological advancements, particularly those with military applications, via intellectual theft using espionage, even against the US, just like China.

The original formation of the Jewish state was a big mistake, a typical supercilious and conceited colonial British mistake, like so many others, but this one took the cake. There were supposed to be two states, one Jewish and one Arab, but the zionists wanted it all and have spent every year since Israels creation steadily stealing land and resources from the Palestinians.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964035#Comment_121964035

What does this vague nonesense even mean?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

Israel sure are textbook gaslighters.

Do some research and come back and tell us how much (hint: it's in the tens of thousands of dollars) per Gazan man woman and child. the Zionists have received in aid (or will receive) from the US and others in the last year that has already been spent or exhausted killing the Gazans.

Every time you see an image of a little girl with amputated limbs or starving and emaciated newborns in a bombed out hospital, just think of the tens of thousands of dollars of aid to Israel that was spent on putting that single child in that state. Every doctor that's executed with a shot to the head. The relatively small family whose small farmhouse was bulldozed to the ground to destroy their livelihood - well that one runs into the hundreds of thousands of aid to Israel spent.

(The US have also said they will replace all of the weaponry and bombs used. That is on top of what they already gave them)

nacho libre

I remember when Joe was in Ballina giving a grand speech about fighting tyranny, respecting human rights and human dignity. Lot of people were cheering, lapping it all up. I wonder what kind of reception he'd get now. His defenders will say his hands are tied in an election year, but even if he was in a new term I doubt he'd try to use his power of veto to block an arms shipment to Israel

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963671#Comment_121963671

And Palestine too.

tayto lover

Wrong again. Israel has been murdering and locking up people, inc children, without trial for many years now. This did not begin on Oct 7th.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121963966#Comment_121963966

Absolutely unforgivable behaviour if this is true.

Murdering hospital staff point blank in cold blood is up there with the worst possible war crimes

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964035#Comment_121964035

What about Aid workers, journalists, doctors, nuns and ambulance drivers? I don't think Hamas killed any of them. Maybe they will be safer when Israel stays within its own borders.

tayto lover

Every bit as bad or even worse than the murdering Hamas.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965342#Comment_121965342

There is a definite link between Islamophobia and support for Israel. It's not even that such people particularly like Israel or Jewish people as such IMO - more that they simply hate Muslims.

tayto lover

There is nothing civilized about the IDF dropping 2,000 lb bombs on a tented village and murdering innocent children and women. Nothing at all, they are far from civilized and certainly not democratic.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965530#Comment_121965530

I agree. Israel is democratic but only in certain areas of the country they control. No one would drop bombs or slaughter 30k of their own voters not if they were truly a democracy.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

Pre-1940s Germany was a modern, civilised, democratic country.

• It wants to succeed and grow economically like the rest of the developed world.
• It has one of the highest standards of living in the world.
• It is one of the world’s most technologically advanced countries.
• It has survived multiple full-on attacks from its neighbours,
• While ostensibly a Christian state, there is freedom of religion

… And yet look what happened there

Feisar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965276#Comment_121965276

Election year or whatever, surely there comes a point when a man has to stand up, look himself in the eye and say; no, not on my watch.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965589#Comment_121965589

I don't think Biden actually thinks Israel is doing anything wrong and that the ends justify the means. He has been a decades long supporter of Israel. He is only slightly rowing back his support under pressure from some in his party. His actions don't match his statements regarding protecting civilians life. Be interesting to see if they do actually build the pier in Gaza or if that was a deflection tactic.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965545#Comment_121965545

Incidentally, their media is mostly pro-regime and not critiquing anything that is happening in Gaza. I was listening to a writer from Haaretz on RTE a few weeks ago and he said he was furious at the way his fellow 'journalists' in Israel were reporting the onslaught against Gaza.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965638#Comment_121965638

It doesnt help they have a law now to expel foreign media they don't like , like Al jazeera. The media is probably just reflecting the mood among the Jewish population. They don't want to believe they are doing anything bad.

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965589#Comment_121965589

Biden is a coward, one of the worst US presidents in living memory. And that's saying a lot. Problem is, the alternative to him is even worse. The US is a basket case.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121965670#Comment_121965670

Yes, he actually made this point - there is an element of them telling the Israeli public what they want to hear. They only want to hear stories about Israel being the good guys and Hamas as horrible monsters. Therefore nothing bad can be happening in Gaza, as the IDF are the good guys and are incapable of knowingly doing anything wrong.

BorneTobyWilde

Netanyahu failing to keep a straight face about the killing of aid workers delivering food

Scumbag !!!!

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121964768#Comment_121964768

Modern civilised states don't illegally remove people from their homes by force and let people from other countries live in them and grant them citizenship in the process.

They don't steal agricultural land and herds.

They dont hand lit weapons with a handshake to new citizens who live on these settlements.

They don't improson 1000s annually without any charge.

They dont demolish 1000s of homes making 1000s homeless.

Modern civilized states dont shoot dead 4 children playing football on a beach with the latest greatest sniper equipment.

Modern

They'd be hard pressed to not let non Jewish people live there given, non Jewish people have lived in the area for 1000s of years. Especially when they invite some random yanks over to kick out some of the non- Jewish. They do not treat 100,000s of people with basic human decency. That's the crux of it.

And why are you, again, you, making this an argument about "the Jews". I and , I don't think the majority of people posting here against the actions of Israel have any problem with Jewish people. "Jews" are not the problem. Israel, and it's government, and it's various official policies of base dehumanization are the problem. They are supposed to be a civilised, democratic government, but in reality they are no better than Hamas at this stage. Their kill rate puts Hamas in the shade too. Hamas need to go, but so do all of the horrific policies of irlsrael, anyone on a settlement needs to be moved off and land restored and some basic human decency shown towards Palestinians

Stop trying to race-bait or try to frame everything and everyone as antisemitic. You keep trying it, and it's blatantly obvious what you're playing at.

Weepsie

ANd we'll go on..Israel has one of the highest levels of inequality of all oecd countries. It has one of the greatest disparities in income levels from men and women. It has poor represent for non Jewish citizens at all levels of government.

Twice as many non Jewish children live under the poverty line as Jewish children (as a proportion of their total population). So, not exactly screaming equality there.

Modern , progressive countries don't blockade neighbours, bomb airports, prevent them from using their own international waters, shoot at fishing boats on a near daily basis, blockade ports.

Modern civilized states don't bring in laws to censor media that it doesn't like.

Modern civilized states don't kill Journalists with sniper fire

They don't then start riots at Journalist funerals either..

But I guess they have some from of lgbqt+ rights and are in Eurovision, so they must be progressive...