Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188439#Comment_122188439

Dont be ridiculous

The last thing the Palestinians need, or anyone else for that matter, is an escalation in violence.

An immediate halt to the Israeli bombardments, an immediate withdrawal of all forces from Gaza and the opening of all borders to all humanitarian aid to provide the crucial medical, shelter and food supplies to the refugees are what is required.

The consequences for the IDF military and political leadership should be severe, but conducted within the legal and political arena, not more sensless murder

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188356#Comment_122188356

Remarks like this just give easy ammunition to bad faith posters who wish to scream "Antisemitism!" in order to deflect from the IDF's genocidal war crimes.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188117#Comment_122188117

Yes. You're right it has, because to many it now means violence and prejudice against Jews only. You obviously are highlighting this due to recent violence by Jewish settlers against Arabs in the West Bank to remind people it refers to Arabs too and that anyone who seeks to excuse or minimise it is likely anti semitic. Well done on reminding people of this and your recent recognition that Israel lost the run of itself over Ireland recognising the state of Palestine.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188554#Comment_122188554

No, to point out that in fact, there is antisemitism on this thread, on a depressingly regular basis. That particular OP I have on ignore because it spouts antisemitic crap all the time, but thanks for the quote, it's a good reminder of the flotsam and jetsam that show up here.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188564#Comment_122188564

i assume you are also referring to posters defending violence and prejudice against Arabs, with posts along the lines that suggest violence is all they know and sure they deserve what they are getting due to being Hamas supporters anyway. If you were even handed you might acknowledge that there are infact anti semitic posts against both Jews and Arabs, but that the majority of posts in this thread are not of that nature. Instead it suits you to highlight it against one side only.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188600#Comment_122188600

No, I follow the conventional IHRA definition of antisemitism. And, criticizing the actions of the Israeli government is not antisemitism. Nor is criticizing the actions of any Muslim government including Hamas, Egypt, Iran, …

And we've seen lots of examples of antisemitism on this thread - dual-citizenship congressmen in the US/pentagrams/…

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188459#Comment_122188459

Is that what was done with the genocidal Nazi's?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122187692#Comment_122187692

Feel free to give us another entity whose reputation is paralleled with the that of the IDF if you wish

ToweringPerformance

Imagine been on the side of a country that burns babies alive in their tents whilst they sleep or beheads them with powerful explosions. The Israelis are truly the absolute worst that humanity has to offer to the world. Biden is on that side with his support of these criminals.

Strazdas

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Sweet.Science

So we are now to the point when children are being burnt alive in tents.

There is no dept to the depravity Israel are willing to go.

It's almost like they are taunting people.

Tbh I've seen calls on social media for them to strike the countries that recognised Palestine last week. I wouldn't put it past them. Pure twisted and evil.

The US have really let themselves down.

Dont be at yourself

What happened to Ireland's call for the EU to review its trade deal with Israel to ensure its upholding its obligations on obeying international law, human rights etc? Surely it's cut and dry at this stage. Has our request even had a formal response?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189114#Comment_122189114

Harris spoke about this only this morning - says he is still pursuing it with the EU.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188692#Comment_122188692

Paralled? No! Terrifyingly and incalculably and systematically exceeded in many countries and in many battles and is very well documented. You'll find it easily if you ever wish to come out of your rabbit hole and educate yourself.

sock.rocker*

Igotadose, what are your thoughts on the ICC, ICJ, and this latest attack? Difficult week or taking it in your stride?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188646#Comment_122188646

The genocidal nazis were an existential threat to the rest of Europe. With genocide, the focus should be on stopping the genocide, not punishing the genocidal forces or getting revenge through military means.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188997#Comment_122188997

Not just the US. The EU and the UK have acted deplorably from the beginning

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188411#Comment_122188411

You unaware that among other attacks elsewhere in Israel. Hamas shelled the Kerem Shalom Crossing 4 times in recent weeks? That's how interested they are in the population receiving aid.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122185370#Comment_122185370

The PA based in Ramallah is the recognised governing authority of Palestine. Hamas seized control of Gaza only in 2006 and have not held an election in the territory since

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189182#Comment_122189182

ICC, ICJ are free to supply the rulings they supply. This latest attack could have been avoided completely, had Hamas surrendered already, but apparently they launched rockets from the area, likely knowing full well the retaliation that would come would get them more clicks online.

Sudden Valley

I have to say Biden and the pro israeli posters are playing in blinder in totally ignoring the icj decision. It's like international rules are only for other countries and war crimes can only be committed by other countries.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189265#Comment_122189265

Do you think Israel has the right to commit war crimes because Hamas hasn't surrendered?

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188997#Comment_122188997

I'd have a genuine concern they would be possible of anything and i do mean anything including false flag attacks on ourselves. This is a sick sick country supported by Biden.

crusd

Spare a thought for those brave IDF soldiers bombing tents in a refugee camp last night. Bravery unmatched in the face of brutal attacks by those women and children forced to live in tents because their homes have been levelled

sock.rocker*

40 people died because Israel wanted to make a declaration to the world that it has no regard for what the likes of the ICC or ICJ have to say. That's about it really. A sick and disgusting country.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189265#Comment_122189265

so you are victim blaming. The people killed had nothing to do with Hamas.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189265#Comment_122189265

Haven't seen any claim that the rockets on Tel Aviv yesterday came from that tent camp area. Israel claiming it went after senior Hamas commanders who had gathered in the area of the camp and killing two named what a lot on here would term "very productive" senior commanders. Always remember a poster on here in the early hours of October 7 attacks wrote "credit where credit is due". Seems the brave commanders were, as is their wont, hiding among the displaced and exhausted families. That said, Israeli completely in the wrong here. Should have left the taking out of the commanders to another time, another place. The dark of the night, the vulnerable tents, the high density, no water for the inevitable fire. God help those poor families. Hamas could care less about them. Hamas depending on feeling safe behind the women's skirts and international pressure. Israel, so deeply shaken by Oct 7 and its own ongoing political morass, has to somehow find a way to caring more for Palestinians than Hamas, Iran and the whole of the Arab world.

political analyst

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122182952#Comment_122182952

No Israeli killed as many innocents in 1 day as Hamas did on October 7th. There haven't been many Israeli men going around raping Palestinian women or dismembering or burning-alive Palestinians.

If Palestinians actual were being persecuted then why were so many of them jumping for joy on that day and also on September 11th 2001?

After a suicide bomber blew himself up in the Sbarro restaurant in 2001, Ahlem al-Tamimi, who drove the bomber to the target, was smiling afterwards.

Actual victims don't support Hamas.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189956#Comment_122189956

So is your argument that because the Israelis have killed more innocents but not over 1 day that they are somehow better than Hamas and this should somehow absolve them of this crime? If they kill 50k innocent will you still support them because they are taking so long to get to that figure?

Do you use the same logic in other conflicts?

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189956#Comment_122189956

the IDF have been raping Palestinians

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/22/claims-of-israeli-sexual-assault-of-palestinian-women-are-credible-un-panel-says

https://www.timesofisrael.com/ending-censorship-idf-admits-officer-jailed-in-2017-raped-a-palestinian-woman/amp/

And often their own

here is their view

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/rape-comment-controversy-returns-to-haunt-idf-chief-rabbi-nominee-jd7k7n33

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189609#Comment_122189609

'caring more', they are literally mutilating children and burning them alive

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189956#Comment_122189956

So we just have to concentrate the death rate to a single day then? This is a brand new way of reinventing the wheel and dismissing the 35,000 deaths israel has been responible for since then.

FRom 2008-2003 there have been 4308 Civilian casualities caused by Israel. This is pre October 7. There were another 2500 casualties that are regarded as non-civilian or undefined. 38% of those civilian deaths were women and children. 28% alone are children.

In the same time, 192 Israeli civilians and another 116 military. 31% of those were women and children, more skewed towards women this time, than children. That's a 22:1 ratio on deaths (civilian or otherwise)

Injuries it is 158000 Palestinians and 6500 Israelis. That's a 24:1 ratio. 10000 of those injuries were caused when Palestinians were being illegally evicted from their homes for settlers. Many of the injuries to Israelies were caused in self defence from attacks by those same settlers, causing those 10,000 injuries. There's absolutely no disputing who starts the violence when it comes to illegal settlements. Just putting that in bold for those who like the "well they started it argument"

So if you are going to claim that Palestinians are not persecuted, you need to go out and take a walk and really think about everything that you are completely ignorant of and maybe, just maybe learn to look at some hard facts instead of online clips that have absolutely no context attached to them.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189265#Comment_122189265

Latest attack could have been avoided completely if Israel was actually brought to task and properly sanctioned.

It's **** amazing how their intelligence can lead them to these very well hidden and scarce leaders and operatives when its related to the massare of dozens of civilians, yet it lets them down when it really, really matters. It's like they just have a ready made excuse.

Akrasia

If Israel Nuked Gaza with their biggest warhead, they'd kill all of the remaining Hamas commanders. In what Israeli supporters would probably defend as a 'precision strike'

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189168#Comment_122189168

So you aren't able to. As I thought. Continue on

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190068#Comment_122190068

The worst part of that is that they would probably get away with it.

The US have no balls to sanction the Israelis especially in an election year. The Israelis are just going to keep going until they themselves decide to stop under the guise that anyone who condemns them is "anti-semitic" - round and round we go.

ToweringPerformance

The usual mob defending the indefensible for the Zionist regime.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190211#Comment_122190211

The only thing is they are burning their bridges with most western countries. Lobe oks like the EU have faith with them and Macron is openly telling them to stop the slaughter.

The US are a lost cause. Netanyahu may as well be their President at this point.

Francie Barrett

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189265#Comment_122189265

The entire strategy of Hamas is to trade the lives of their own people in the hope that Israel will crack and lose their resolve.

The only logical option is to organise a surrender to stop the further loss of life. Unfortunately that's the last thing Hamas will consider.

TheValeyard

Israel may have just murdered two Egyptian soldiers

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1795082355335458922

https://twitter.com/WarWatchs/status/1795081480256811233

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122188564#Comment_122188564

There are far far more nonsense claims of antisemitism than there is of antisemitism. Being anti Israel or just anti Israel bombing the **** out of people is not antisemitiic.

There has been plenty of trying to frame it as Jews v arabs, but that's nearly exclusively come from a handful of posters who are (a) defnding Israel at all costs and (b) trying to bait people into a race debate and failing.

Im not saying it's not here, or hasn't been but it's not remotely as prevalent as this and loads of other accusations make out.

General xenophobia and islamophobia is fairly apparent

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190278#Comment_122190278

Why would they surrender? At this stage it looks like they may survive the conflict and Israel is only making themselves weaker on the world stage. Do you honestly believe Israels current strategy is working,?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190278#Comment_122190278

Isn't it mad that a random poster on boards.ie understands perfectly Hamas tactics of tricking and forcing the IDF into murdering Palestinian civilians, yet with all their supposed sophistication and intelligence services and technology, the IDF are powerless to stop Hamas from tricking them into committing these atrocities. All the people that they have there as so-called professionals and not one of them can think "Ah hold on lads, lets not fall for that trick again when we actually don't want to be doing the oul' murdering and maiming of tens of thousands of innocent men, women and kids………"

New Recruit: "Hey Captain, how about we tackle these fellas the same way we would as if there was a suspected terrorist cell in Tel Aviv. Like you know, we probably wouldn't flatten all the buildings full of civilians in a 500m radius if that was the case"

Captain: "What, and lose our resolve to murder and maim as many innocent arabs when we have the chance"?

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190278#Comment_122190278

Or maybe the Israelis just stop the indiscriminate bombing of civilians. They have well and truly made their point at this stage and yesterdays massacre should be the end point in all this.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190289#Comment_122190289

They are reckless aswell.

Precision my hole.

TheCitizen

The Israeli ambassador in Ireland Dana Elrich who is currently in Israel having been recalled is threatening Ireland that Israeli investors won’t invest in tech in Ireland due to the Irish government’s recognition of Palestine.

The USA and the UK need to grow a pair and start standing up to this disgusting Israeli regime. The world must act in unison and turn on this Israeli government, issue sanctions against them, treat them like Apartheid South Africa. They should be thrown out of the Olympics, thrown out of international football and every other international sport. Hamas of course an equally despicable regime but the idea that this Israel government thinks that they can threaten us with pulling investment or whatever needs to be firmly rammed down their throats. This is just the beginning. Turn the screw on them until they start to behave themselves.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122189242#Comment_122189242

I'd forgotten about that. I got impression the threat to Israel was coming from elsewhere than Gaza now?

(Unless media reporting on it have this wrong) it is first rocket fire deep into Israel Hamas has managed for a long time.

IMO, that would have made it somewhat significant. I'd say it is likely Israelis had tabs on any Hamas leaders they targetted for a while (Gaza must be the most surveilled location on the Earth), just decided now was a good time to do the trade of killing some random "animals" to get the Hamas members as response to the rockets.

It certainly sends a strong message to likes of the ICJ, ICC etc. as well (f-ck you, f-ck your statements, your "laws" etc, we do what we want!).

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122190064#Comment_122190064

Nonsense. You don't think Israel's going to care about sanctions? Or that, if in fact they happen, they'll happen in a timely way?

Hamas could return hostages and surrender. That could happen in a few days. Much faster solution.

Igotadose

So, Ireland can bluster but Israel can't. Good to know.