Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224582#Comment_122224582

Israel is in favour of this, and they want this so there is no two-state solution. The pro-Palestinian posters in here would rather Palestine Authority rule Gaza so Palestine could become a recognised state and then the settlements stop.

These are basic facts. Do you acknowledge them?

If you had power, would you choose a two-state solution with something like PA, or would you pursue Israel's long-running policy of propping up Hamas to prevent this?

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122222850#Comment_122222850

Ireland never existed as a country until after independence.

ToweringPerformance

Zionists have slaughtered children in a school overnight in Gaza. The Biden Whitehouse continues to support Israel with weapons to carry out this genocide.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-says-jets-targeting-hamas-compound-have-hit-a-school-in-gaza-13148252

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122223504#Comment_122223504

Did the world begin on 7th Oct, is it faintly possible that what happened on 7/10 was a retalliation to far worse crimes against the palestinians.

What Hamas did was a crime and they should be punished.

Now repeat after me...what israel are doing is a crime and they should be punished.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224582#Comment_122224582

Both Israel and Gaza are currently being governed by wanted criminals

sock.rocker*

It is another tragic morning in the central area of Gaza, particularly in Nuseirat refugee camp, where an overnight attack targeted a UN-run school that was housing hundreds of displaced Palestinian families.

In addition, a residential house was completely destroyed. At least 39 Palestinians have been reported killed in those attacks. We’ve been talking to a number of families at the hospital. They say they did not receive any prior warning ahead of the attack.

And people here in this thread actually defend attacks like this. You walk past people on the street every day who support this stuff. It's revolting.

sock.rocker*

Will we bomb a school? Will we bomb a UN building? Will we bomb a refugee camp? Why not all three?

The IDF are practically playing a game of committing the most horrific war crimes possible and they are supported globally by the biggest scum on the planet.

Rezident

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122222990#Comment_122222990

Just not true. Obviously Israeli Jewish people do not think that is ok. Obviously, as everyone who has ever been there knows and can see with their own eyes.

When the Palestinians keep starting wars and attacking Jews (from the first day the State of Israel was founded) then there will be war. And the losers will lose land, among other things. Same reason the Golan Heights was part of Syria, Syria stated a war with Israel, lost the war, and lost the Golan Heights to Israel.

So don't start wars. Palestinians fired 4,500 rockets at Israel in one day, murdered and raped over a thousand people! You are wasting your time with these people. Ireland never starts wars with its neighbours (and they're the British!) If Russian eventually loses to Ukraine, I think Ukraine is more than entitled to keep a sliver of Russian land as a buffer against future invasions.

Who started the war? The same warmongers who start every war in the region. Radical Islamists in a virtual death cult. The same fanatics who merrily strapped a bomb to a 26 year old Palestinian girl and sent her in to Israel just to blow up an 81 year old Jewish man at a bus stop (and blow up the Palestinian girl of course). You can't reason with these people. Most Irish people have virtually no understanding of the situation, sure how could they? They have never even been or Israel and the Palestinian territories.

People who think it is just the same as Northern Ireland and the British are incorrect. Obviously.

Rezident

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224047#Comment_122224047

The Palestinian people voted for Hamas, Hamas won the election. When Hamas attacked the Palestinian Authority and killed all those Palestinians in the Battle of Gaza, they could not have done it without the support of significant portions of Palestinians and everyone in Gaza knows they were throwing Palestinians off buildings and about their other war crimes.

When Hamas have been hiding from the Israeli army in Gaza for the last 8 months, where do you think they have been hiding? Who has been sheltering them? The Palestinian people of course. Who else? Israel hit a group of 20-30 Hamas fighters, in a UN school. Nobody at the school knew there were 20-30 Hamas fighters there?

Mohamed Deif, commander of Hamas' military wing, who rose to prominence for killing so many Palestinians even for being suspected of collaborating with Jews (how many were innocent or indeed just set up by Israel?), is known as 'The Guest'. Why is one of the most ruthless terrorists in the world called 'The Guest'? Because he stays with a different Palestinian family every night.

Look at the videos, if you have the stomach for it, if not, you may have the wilful blindness for it: after the Palestinians killed all those kids at the music festival and they took one of the girls, 22 year old Shani Louk, a strikingly beautiful girl. After, what we can all imagine that these Hamas beasts did to her, they stripped her body naked and paraded her through the streets of Palestine on the back of a truck to publicly display their 'work'. Now look, if you can, at the reactions from all the Palestinian people in the streets. Look at the women cheering! What are the Palestinians cheering for exactly?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122222543#Comment_122222543

The point is Bibi doesn't really care about the hostages , pressure on him may increase if hostages are released but continuing the war suits him. He has stated clearly that one of his goals is the destruction of Hamas. How can this be truly achieved when you brutalise people through collective punishment.? You in effect create a breeding ground for the likes of Hamas to recruit embittered and traumatised people . Also as long as the Hamas leadership remain untouched in Qatar to raise funds Hamas will not be defeated . US intelligence has concluded the same thing. One other thing ,there was no Irish state at one point so going by your logic does that mean that British occupation and violence against Irish people was acceptable? As you know there was no official Israeli state at one point either. So what is your view on the likes of Irgun in light of this stance?

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225421#Comment_122225421

Absolutely. Sunak, Biden, Macron etc… are filth.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225686#Comment_122225686

But how can the 'non-Hamas supporting" Palestinians including all children stand up to Hamas and get them to stop hiding among them for protection? Hamas are their fathers,sons, grandsons, cousins, teachers, doctors, police, aid workers etc al. Should they even try, they will be ostracised at best, which, in these awful times means death anyway, and at worst they will be executed. If there is any glimmer of hope it might be that the reports that Iran/Hezbollah don't really want to go to war in the north now and will desist if Gaza settles. Israel threatening upping the ante in the north may put pressure on Hamas to accept some part of the deal and keep Iran happy. Until the next time. The religious parties would prop up Netanyahu's gov to accept some parts of the deal (which he'll entertain far quicker that he would Lapid) but then doing that would bite him in the ass quicker than a snake and be worse than the loons Ben Gvir and Smotritch. Meanwhile, hostages, dead and half alive waiting and prisoners waiting to be exchanged in large numbers for them and exhausted people being killed and soldiers being killed and people with no homes anymore or being unabe to safely return to their homes. And how much the US is mentioned on here but a huge absence of references to Iran.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225609#Comment_122225609

Who started the war? The same warmongers who start every war in the region

Israel starts wars too you know. Don’t try and slip this lie past anyone again.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225713#Comment_122225713

"How can this be truly achieved when you brutalise people through collective punishment.? You in effect create a breeding ground for the likes of Hamas to recruit embittered and traumatised people"

Like the Houthis in Yemen who launch (ineffectively) rockets at Israel. Or Hezbollah? Or the IRG?

The people being recruited really have to decide to be recruits. If their choice is that, or die, they'll be recruits. Palestinians in Gaza have protested Hamas for some time, in fact, this writer talks about the psychopaths in Hamas holding all Gazans as their prisoners.

https://www.newsweek.com/my-fellow-gazans-we-must-demand-release-israeli-hostages-opinion-1863290

There are always going to be willing martyrs surrounding Israel. As for 'truly,' well, depends how you define truly, but stopping the rocket launchers and surrendering the leadership would be a start. Getting people like that author in positions of power would help, too.

Sudden Valley

Really seems that Hamas, Biden, and Israel have different perceptions of what is in this ceasefire deal. Biden may be getting desperate with the ridiculous suggestion from Netanyahu that he be allowed continue this mass killing for another 7 months.

Hamas may be cruel but I don't think they are suicidal enough to agree to give up their only bargaining chip, the hostages, without the guarantee of their own survival.

Overheal

In Jerusalem yesterday, a mob attacks a journalist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/vKdPkUmCmV

Third person angle:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/zXbKGcBbMd

Israeli security forces did nothing to stop the violence but removed the journalist from covering the mob

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122224047#Comment_122224047

 Do you think the Palestinian people are responsible for what Hamas do ? if so can you explain that to me.

Wholly and collectively, No.

Partly, Yes.

Fatah wont hold elections in the West Bank because they fear Hamas coming to power, so they enjoy huge support there.

They also enjoy huge support in Gaza. As you said, they were elected to power, so they bear some culpability.

You cant devoid these facts from reality and think that Hamas were somehow beamed down from space to 'take' over the place.

iamstop

The UK have been pretty good at keeping quite about their complicity in the genocide in Gaza and letting the US take the brunt of the public backlash.

https://youtu.be/ecWUdwkelvM?si=eh7Sb4s-NQV8wOnL

iamstop

https://youtu.be/EuRkyIaXLxg?si=UG8NyWml1Acqn13s

This guy gets it.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225609#Comment_122225609

It's a 2 way street on violence and always has been. The most significant violence was inflicted by Zionist terrorists once the UN agreed to creating Israel. But we keep hearing that it was started elsewhere because someone has picked an arbitrary date or a specific attack.

This also didn't start on October 7th. It escalated, but didn't start. How much of the violence from Israel directed at Palestinians in the west bank and gaza needs to be ignored for people to reach this conclusion.

Its pretty insidious to be honest just how much people wave away violence perpetuated bu the state of israel

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227110#Comment_122227110

The most casualties are on the non-Israeli side, for sure. Stop starting wars, stop goading Israel into wars by massing on its borders, and fewer will die.

Overheal

Ireland has already recognized Palestine. Trying to act like they don’t exist is the dumbest asspull yet.

Greyfox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225421#Comment_122225421

And all they have to do is say that there was a Hamas terrorist in the area even when there wasn't

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122223594#Comment_122223594

Israelis are shouting for elections to throw Netanyahu out; they haven't voted for his government since October 7th. And, it's a coalition government, so plenty of Israeli's didn't vote for him.

At present, there aren't any politics in Gaza. Haven't been for awhile.

Gaza can stop the war. Agree to the ceasefire, agree to return the hostages, those that might still be alive.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227160#Comment_122227160

This is the sort of ignorance of what has happened in the area for so long that is dangerous. Just keep on ignoring Israeli crimes. Your head is so buried in the sand at this stage.

I would expect better quality insight from a junior cert history student than this. And this is the level we keep getting here "they started it" while ignoring the decades worth of violent incidents

Like how many times do people want to ignore that Israel has bombed gaza a week earlier.

gym_imposter

The whole thing is so incredibly grim, any comparisons between Israel and south Africa pre 1994 are completely unfair to South Africa

Israel makes that regime appear benign

Weepsie

Wnd massing on it's borders? You do realize how much land Israel has stolen and just how little land palestinians are packed onto.

They could not get away from the borders if they wanted. Unless they went out to sea where Israels gunships will just shoot then

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227195#Comment_122227195

That guy is ex Mossad, he's a loon who has appeared on with Piers Morgan,Abby Martin destroyed him during one particular appearance

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227703#Comment_122227703

That was meant to reflect on the 'Israel started the 6 days war' meme here. They fired the first shots, but they were surrounded by sabre-rattling enemies.

Nor can Israel get away from its enemies, either.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227579#Comment_122227579

Well if an election is held soon, Israelis can prove they aren't extremist by throwing out Bibi

The Israeli electorate is given far too easy of a ride for the choices they have made down the years

Only Palestinians are scolded for ballot box choices

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227746#Comment_122227746

No, I think there's been plenty of grief about Israeli elections on this site for some time.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227642#Comment_122227642

No, I didn't say that at all. I've never said that. I simply stated that this did not begin on October 7th. It escalated. Something else I've said plenty of times I've never excused anything Hamas have done or any violence perpetuated by them. What I have done is offered a bit of context, a little history and some of the hard facts that lead us to that day.

I've given numerous examples of violence that predate this in the weeks and month prior to OCtober 7. I've detailed the 6-7000 dead Palestinians at the hands of Israel in the years prior compared to the 308 Israelis. I've detailed the many more injured. I've detailed the many thousands that were made refugees.

If you want to keep ignoring this then go on, but claiming October 7th is the beginning of all this is just the height of ignorance at best.

gym_imposter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227752#Comment_122227752

I meant in international commentary, constant comments about people in Gaza voting Hamas etc , no hard questions of the Israeli electorate

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227756#Comment_122227756

Oct 7 led to this 'intensification' that can end with release of hostages and agreement to the ceasefire. With thousands of rockets launched from Gaza and elsewhere long before Oct 7, and acts of violence on all sides ongoing till today, there's no way Oct 7 was the start. I don't think I've ever claimed it was.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227779#Comment_122227779

go on keep going, what intensification led to October 7?

Ill give you a hint it didn’t just happen on a whim.

RTE website wasted no time in reporting a few hours ago on a Houthi military spokesman claiming a number of strikes on the port of Haifa despite no evidence and carrying no updates of denials by Israel. Shoddy reporting at best.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122227725#Comment_122227725

Something something about reliable sources

Fr D Maugire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122225609#Comment_122225609

More absolute guff from pro-Israeli posters. Don't Start Wars, what nonsense. How about Western nations stop making stupid decisions that guarantee wars. Western powers made decisions on what should happen in the middle-east whilst gaslighting, plain lying, sidelining and completely ignoring the locals in all decisions and are shocked when their Western decisions are not accepted. I mean why should the wishes of the local population matter when the Western powers are involved?

The only people who bothered to ask the Arabs what they would like to see happen in the Middle East after WW1 were ironically the Americans with the King-Crane commission, the results of which rejected the creation of a Jewish state as almost the entire Middle-East opposed it, and the commission highlighted how any such state would guarantee wars if it happened. But hey, those ridiculous Arabs should just accept whatever the Western powers dictate and behave themselves, right? No grandeur ideas like democracy or self-determination for those stupid Arabs, Western interests take precedent.

As for Arab infighting, anyone else notice there is an ongoing war in Europe right now, or how about that affair that was ongoing in the Balkans some 30 years or that conflict that lasted in NI for 30 years or that huge war of which part of is being commemorated today. Who the hell are we as Europeans to be lecturing about Arab infighting. The main difference being European wars were all self inflicted, no Arabs telling us what to do or deciding where our borders should be or creating countries out of nothing for people who do not even live on the same continent. Every European conflict has been a results of European stupidity, every war in the middle-east has been more or less as a result of Western interference, particularly post WW1.

Don't start wars, yeah nobody has been better starting wars than Europeans even when it does not concern them. The Israel-Palestine situation was created by European powers for European Zionists with zero input from the people that mattered, the native population and has gone exactly as was predicted from 100 years ago.

CorneliusBrown

buh buh buh Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and Christian’s and gays are allowed to live with Jews in their ancestral homeland that predates Carthage (it’s in the bible)

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228397#Comment_122228397

The double standards are appalling, makes a mockery of everything Biden say's about Ukraine.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228562#Comment_122228562

More anti western rhetoric.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122226877#Comment_122226877

Irish history should have taught you, if you suppress, degrade, humiliate, starve, kill a population then a small select few will fight back, Hamas exists because of Israeli actions. They got elected in nearly 20 yrs ago and they hold power with the gun, and you think that palestian people are responsible for what Hamas do. You've some warped twisted views.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228841#Comment_122228841

Bibi isn’t bombing women and children by the tens of thousands for the sake of gay and womens rights. Not that you give a ****.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228884#Comment_122228884

Look at the population growth in Gaza, it's over 2 million now, only a small fraction are actually dying.

There has only been false accusations of rape but no actual proof. Hamas are doing their best to spread these type of rumours.

The next time Hamas call around to their home to ask to stay as guests or burrow a tunnel underneat. They can tell hamas to go f**k off, and they won't be dying for their stupid cause.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228841#Comment_122228841

Says the guys who supports bombing them.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228974#Comment_122228974

It gets better; there are accusations and convictions for rape in Israel. Someone else posted a link to some data site gathered under Freedom of Information requests.

Things that only happen under democratic states - FOI requests responded to. Accusations, convictions, incarcerations - done by a justice system.

Gaza? West Bank? Most Muslim countries? Not so much.

The irony.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122229041#Comment_122229041

Israel are mutilating and murdering tens of thousands of men, women and children, destroying all civilian infrastructure and deliberately starving hundreds of thousands of people. The ramifications for the civilian population will last decades in terms of physical and psychological impacts. Only psychotic goons can try to rationalise and defend it

2smiggy

https://twitter.com/TameeOliveFern/status/1798948587612836090

but but but but 7th October. Dirty animals

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122229180#Comment_122229180

Hamas needs to agree to the ceasefire for all this to stop.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122228974#Comment_122228974

Agh so Netanyahu shouldn't have got out of bed on the 7th, only 1k died out of 9.5m.

No actual proof those rapes didn't happen. So let's get the icc in and court cases moving. The quicker the good guys can prosecute the IDF the better.

They can, and they'll get a bullet in the head. Remember hamas are terrorists, we all agree on that. With time we will hopefully agree the IDF and Netanyahu belong there too. Amazing you can ignore all the evidence on this thread, I suppose that's how alot of Germans in WW2 managed as well.