Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122280716#Comment_122280716

I probably should have been more direct. I have no interest in interacting with someone who clearly isn't posting in good faith so I'm not going to bother responding to you any further. Feel free to post some, what you no doubt will think is a, smart arsed reply though.

batman75

Hopefully things don't escalate between Hezbollah and Israel. Feel sorry for Cyprus. Nasrallah's warning re the possible use of bases in Cyprus by Israel is going to hit their tourism. Israel cannot defeat Hamas and Hezbollah are an even greater force.

Israel has to be haemorraghing economically. It will have support from the US financially and militarily but still. Hard to see where Israel as a country goes from here. Will it still exist in 10 years time? Hard to call. In it's current guise as an apartheid state it is simply not tenable. The dehumanisation of Palestinians is dangerous and chilling given what the Nazi's did to the Jews.

I don't know if a one state which sees Palestinians as equal and incorporates the Palestinian Territories is feasible? Would Israel give up its existence to live in a combined state from the river to the sea with their Palestinian neighbours. Seems doubtful. October 7th and the aftermath has likely changed things forever.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122278412#Comment_122278412

Not according to Netanyahu. Who should we believe Tower?

ZeroThreat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281124#Comment_122281124

tbh I'm surprised that he hasn't asked for thermobaric weapons yet, or maybe he has?..

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281124#Comment_122281124

They're still sending weapons, just not all the ones he wants. You really need to stop defending Joe Biden by the way. He's incredibly complict at this stage, as any sitting american president probably would be.

But he's shown to be a completely and utterly spineless leader who is consistently talking out of both sides of his mouth on this issue. He's not alone in that regard. Literally the only thing he has going for him is that he is not Donald Trump and that is as low a bar as you can get.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281124#Comment_122281124

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/18/blinken-us-weapons-israel-netanyahu-00163937

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281215#Comment_122281215

Heal will defend genocide Joe no matter what. People of his ilk and the Trump supporters on the other side are what's wrong with America, extremists who put their side first and are blinkered to any middle ground.

nacho libre

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/jun/20/israel-gaza-war-live-netanyahu-idf-army-hamas-hezbollah-lebanon

Bibi is falling out with everyone now in his bid to stay in power. Yet according to secretary Blinken Bibi was ready to accept a ceasefire

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281403#Comment_122281403

this link dump doesn’t answer my question

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281215#Comment_122281215

This is realpolitik, one of them will be inaugurated again in January. You have only 2 choices, and one of them has a neighborhood named after themselves in the Golan Heights. If you think Biden is “spineless” pat yourself on the back if or perhaps even when Trump is back in office fresh from his retribution tour: Ukraine falls and Palestine falls. That’s the reality. Calling Biden spineless for being one of two presidents to ever suspend aid to Israel will probably not feel so edgy then.

Overheal

“Jen Oh Cide Joe” edgelording and you accuse me of extremism Tower. LOL

what “middle ground” is there??? Is Bernie Sanders gonna parachute in and get 51% of electors on a write in campaign?

Lots of heads need to be pulled out of a lot of asses today.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122281215#Comment_122281215

Biden is not only spineless he is also a fool, Bibi is doing everything in his power to diminish the aid Biden has given him in the hope that Trump will be re elected. Biden could pull out all the stops for Israel and Bibi would still insult his efforts.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282208#Comment_122282208

He's not only a fool but a dangerous fool.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282156#Comment_122282156

And the best defence you have is whataboutery. Biden has been catastrophic. Not saying trump would be any better (he absolutely wouldn't) but biden.

As I said, hea against a low bar. Inanimate carbon rod would've been an improvement on the last one and didn't even get that.

Bit you can't sit there and constantly criticise Isrsel and it's defenders and then leap to the defense of perhaps the one person who should be able to show some sway. It's a cowardly to say it's realpolitik, because if you're going to go down that road hen you may as well give bibi the same pass.

If he's legacy was to have cut this off and stopped the endless destruction, even just for a the mid term then it would be worth it, but it's all about holding rbw white house no mattee how ineffective he is, and how absolutely **** poisonois js politics is right now. He's part of the problem ,and you need to realize that

Weepsie

This is the man who criticized the icc.

So either you care about what is happening In Palestine or you care about what domestically. Domestically, America is completely and utterly fucked be it biden or trump. I cant think of a worse successive pair of presidents beyond Taylor and Fillmore and one of them died after only a month in office

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282638#Comment_122282638

except he literally does show sway. What is Bibi complaining about if he didn’t? How are Republicans campaigning on him “abandoning Israel?”

go on, get that pat on the back in now, good lad. Will feel great next term I am sure.

It’s not whataboutery it is reality staring us in the **** face. I’ll ask you is Bernie gonna parachute in and save Palestine? Tom Hanks? Dwayne Johnson?

Weepsie

Because Netanyahu and the republicans are also playing the politics game, but he has not dropped support in any meaningful way nor abandoned Israel. A few sound bites, really really low level sanctions that have no impact and a pause on certain arms being shipped, but not 90%. There's money to be made after all

The democrats really ought to have had a long hard look and chosen someone else, or he should have had the good grace to step aside and used that knowledge knowing that he is not running again, it's a chance to do something really impactful, but instead it's self preservation and nothing else.

It's not my fault that the American political system is so completely messed up that the best they can come up with is these 2. But neither are good options. Just because biden is less bad, does not mean he gets a free pass on his total inaction on Israel.

He stopped sending some bombs, but kept sending most of them so, slow clap for that man.

Keep getting all pissy and defensive if you want, but biden is (as trump would be too) incredibly problematic in being so passive towards Israel. Outwardly at least. Maybe he has done something behind the scenes well discover in 25 years that will cement his legacy, but it's pretty poor right now

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282755#Comment_122282755

So to my “whataboutery” you present a tall glass of Shouldawouldacoulda. Well I can’t drink that, it’s not real. We have 2 choices on tap. Don’t tell me what I have to stop doing in your posts above thanks. What I have to do is make a choice in November, and I’m going to do the one of them that is the only best outcome of them for Palestine, despite the pissing and moaning about “spinelessness,” when shouldawouldacoulda for president TM has a shot at 270 electors give me a shout.

Overheal

A refreshingly honest (I know!?) take from IDF spokesperson

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-spokesman-says-hamas-cant-be-eliminated-will-remain-in-gaza-if-no-alternative/amp/

Bibi did not like that.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282795#Comment_122282795

You could at least criticise how passive he is, and acknowledge that there is a lot more he could have done to date and should do but your head is too buried. You and he don't get to hide behind the realpolitik excuse because it's entirely self serving. Your responses are infantile at best but dangerously ignorant at worst. You can still vote for biden while wholly acknowledge he has done a completely terrible job in this instance. Saying well the other guy would be much worst doesn't cut it

You're the type of person who support for Palestine sort of undermines the whole thing because you can't divorce your support for those hwo are complicit in it. You can try and argue it all you want but it's true.

At the risk of further dragging it off topic, I'll stop discussing this. I expect yo see another few dozen of your meme replies or link dumps rather than any semblance of discussion.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282917#Comment_122282917

you want me to campaign for Donald Trump in this thread, no thanks. That does not serve the interests of Palestine.

I will continue to point out factual errors in your diatribe, when you make false allegations that Biden has done nothing etc. when he’s the first president since Reagan to do any suspending of aid to Israel.

You can cry infantile about how he should do more all you want, you’d have him throw the election to Trump and doom the Palestinians anyway.

When Biden is securely in a 2nd term and still not playing hard enough with the Israeli government we can revisit this.

You can go somewhere else with your allegations of being complicit, very beneath you.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122283355#Comment_122283355

That's not what I said remotely. There's the ignorance I was worried about. It's head in the hand stuff.

Bad enough when there's enough people defending Israel that the people criticising them are complete hypocrites in who they think should have deserved criticism leveled at them.

You may as well be arguing on behalf of Israel if you can't bring yourself to see how biden and the current administration have been too weak, (they're not alone, aunak and the tories).

There are 40,000 dead Palestinians and 2 million starving. He's doomed them anyway.

nacho libre

Biden has been a commited Zionist all his political life. This is why I doubt if he is re elected he will stop all arm shipments to Israel. He did this half measure over some bombs to placate the progressive wing of his party. The irony is he is not committed enough for Bibi. Bibi released the video because he is betting on Trump being re-elected. Biden is essentially trying to straddle two horses in order to win in November. It is making him look weak and foolish to anyone looking at events objectively.

Luna84

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284073#Comment_122284073

No you have it mixed up. Trump being president is great for Russia but bad for Palestine. Trump is all for Israel.

Luna84

IDF are little girls as I said on YouTube earlier there are little Palestinian girls braver and both physically and mentally stronger than an IDF solder. See all the soldiers who need psychiatric help after being in Gaza. Imagine you were a little boy or girl in Gaza listening to bombs and bullets fly and drop all around you that is far more traumatic than what those cowards IDF face.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284310#Comment_122284310

BIden has stated many times in his political career that he is a committed Zionist. He is very much pro Israel. Also I'd say the vast majority of Palestinians in Gaza think its bad enough already. Biden should not get a free pass on the basis of what Trump might do.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284310#Comment_122284310

How is Trump great for Russia. Putin invaded Ukraine under both Obama and Biden.

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122282917#Comment_122282917

Or the American guy with the beard because he's an ex military guy.

"Well howdi there internet folk"……..

CorneliusBrown

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122284326#Comment_122284326

Brave little souls indeed. I read that the number of child amputations in Gaza over the last few months is persistently high. Buh buh buh Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and they are the most moral army in the world and buh buh buh hamas are hiding in nurseries and the children’s parents voted for hamas and buh buh buh if they only gave back the hostages it would all be over…

sock.rocker*

And their idea of "over" is the continued open air prison that is Gaza and the continued theft and settlement of the West Bank. And that is fine with them as they think it is morally sound to treat Muslims like animals.

tayto lover

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2024/0618/1455319-children-killed-in-conflict/

"Killings and injuries of civilians have become a daily occurrence. Destruction of vital infrastructure a daily occurrence".

"Children shot at, hospitals bombed, heavy artillery launched on entire communities. All along with hateful, divisive, and dehumanising rhetoric."

The UN rights chief said his office had gathered data indicating that last year, "the number of civilian deaths in armed conflict soared by 72%".

"Horrifyingly, the data indicates that the proportion of women killed in 2023 doubled and that of children tripled, compared to the year prior," he said.

In Gaza, Mr Turk said he was "appalled by the disregard for international human rights and humanitarian law by parties to the conflict" and "unconscionable death and suffering".

All increased mainly by the inhumanity of Israel and their hatred of Palestinians.

CorneliusBrown

Now that the most moral army in the world (#MMA) has killed around 14,000 children and caused devastating injuries to countless others (including double amputations) should the thread title not be changed?

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287874#Comment_122287874

And on the west bank, Israel has quietly gone about going from occupying to actually making moves to formally annex it having seen the IDF military administration transfer such administrative duties over to pro settler civil servants.

Big thing in a few papers today about it.

Odhinn

'Worlds most mortal army' etc etc

"The Israeli military has said its forces violated protocol by strapping a wounded Palestinian man to the front
of their vehicle during a raid in the West Bank city of Jenin.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed the incident after it was captured on
video and shared on social media. An IDF statement said the man was
wounded in an exchange of fire during the raid, in which he was a
suspect.

The injured man's family said that when they asked for an ambulance, the army took him, strapped
him to the bonnet of their jeep and drove off."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjqq5n8911do

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293190#Comment_122293190

Indeed it is a shameful thing to use a"civilian" as a human shield in the hopes that you will not be attacked or further attacked. Who would do such a thing? What has the human race come to? Next thing you know people will be using women and children and elderly as shields and hiding weapons among schools and hospitals and using money meant for them to construct tunnels underneath them and stealing food meant for them. But surely that will never happen?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293323#Comment_122293323

Imagine being Israeli. Indeed.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293382#Comment_122293382

Whataboutery sure allows you to overlook a lot of bad **** that your side gets up to

combat14

more and more reports of hezbollah flying drones over israeli military facilities looks like it is time for israel to defend itself from the iranian backed terrorists in lebanon before it is too late

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nn145p20qo.amp

Sudden Valley

BBC really show they no semblance of neutrality with that headline. I guess Israel will be looking for more weapons from America now.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293562#Comment_122293562

If Israel are in turn flying drones over Lebanon does the same hold true?

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293674#Comment_122293674

And Joe will right there to oblige them.

Overheal

republicans continue to excoriate Biden for delaying weapons to Israel that congress appropriated

https://m.jpost.com/american-politics/article-807134

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293323#Comment_122293323

Very surprised at the non-condemnation of tarring all Israeli's as vile animals. Shocking.

Oxo Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293382#Comment_122293382

The term is usually not so literal. I don't think any amount of whataboutery will help IDF PR, but you're welcome to try.

Oxo Moran

There's a war in Gaza and the Westbank. Any semblance of credibility remaining has been lost to Israel due to it's actions regarding the Westbank.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-rights-office-criticises-israel-over-deaths-500-palestinians-west-bank-2024-06-04/

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293190#Comment_122293190

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JOkUfesnVmc

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Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122293382#Comment_122293382

If the Zionists are making up claims about someone else doing something, you can be damn sure they are projecting only a fraction of their own atrocities.

Anyone else see the Hezbollah drone footage on the military installations and Infrastructure hidden among civilians in Northern Israel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvoRVKlVCug

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122294184#Comment_122294184

Footage of them strapping an injured Palestinian to the bonnet of a truck in the West Bank………….driving past an ambulance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzEi1UlpdE

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122294105#Comment_122294105

Almost 17,000 murdered children now.

tayto lover

They are not an army, just an out of control rabble with a licence to murder. No difference between them and Hamas.