Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449428#Comment_122449428

You and that poster with the Trump name keep trying draw parallels with Ukraine but in the process all you do is debase the Palestinian cause and parrot Putin’s talking points (the same Kremlin that sent death squads and missiles to kill zelensky but failed, so there’s also hypocrisy sprinkled in as usual)

Ukraine/ Russia conflict is nothing like this clusterf**k in Middle East, nothing. Ukranians didn’t respond to an unprovoked attack on them by levelling whole cities despite being of range of both Belgorod and Donetsk, they uphold international laws and try to get help from allies

Perhaps pause for a minute and consider that if your are agreeing with Iranians and Russians that it might be you who is in the wrong about things

And notice how I said nothing about Israelis, they unleashed hell precisely because the terrorist killed today unleashed the largest terrorist attack on civilisation since 9/11, what they done to Gaza is wrong on so many levels, but no amounts of far left whataboutery and regurgitation of Kremlins lines would make HAMAS and their leaders right

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449652#Comment_122449652

Haha, yeah maybe you should consider that you are the one acting exactly like the Russians and Iranians, only you're being a hypocrite about it too :pac:

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449535#Comment_122449535

We don't know how many are dead and it's a complete guesstimate how many members Hamas has. The vast majority killed are not members of Hamas.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449762#Comment_122449762

Also given that 15k of those killed are children it's a bit fanciful by even the most ardent pro israeli posters to claim the vast majority of hamas militants have been killed. And this after 10 months of bombing Gaza.

To be honest the strike on the Hamas leader was a good deflection from the news today of another soldiers indicted for abusing palestinain prisoners. What is that 10 now?

TheValeyard

Bibi to speak to the Israeli nation tonight probably usual sh1te.

Lots of airlines canceling flights to the Lebanon now

USA issues a no not travel notice to Lebanon.

Think we're going to need another thread soon enough.

Dark times, more civilians are going to pay the price for a situation they didn't create.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449600#Comment_122449600

The establishment of Israel went against all of the then very young UNs laws and violated in many ways the declaration of human rights.

It was done because the USA strong armed countries that were in record of being against it and the UK abstained because they were in record of knowing it to be both morally wrong and legally questionable. But you were told all this months ago, given links to academic research, given research by the some of the foremost experts on both UN law and the middle east and you basically went nahanahanaha I'm not listening

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449921#Comment_122449921

Israel is there now. Unless you think the country will be dis-established we have to deal in reality instead of looking back with what ifs.

Most want a two state solution but the Palestinians would also have to accept it and their leaders need to stop aping Iran and calling for Israel to be wiped off the map. And Israel needs to accept it too.

nacho libre

https://archive.ph/k3BwE

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nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449600#Comment_122449600

Except you don't really believe in international law either- rather you have a la carte approach to its application. Your attitude to the ICJ ruling on the West Bank confirms it. You also don't agree with the seeking of arrest warrants for Bibi and Gallant. No doubt the prosecutor is biased. You have no such reservations when it comes to its rulings on Russia though . So you clearly are not for international law and its implementation when it suits Marko.

PeggyShippen

Great thread guys. Alot of good points. It was some day for the Shin Bet and Mossad . I'm military myself...to get near Haniyeh and mamage to kill him in one single room with a pinpoint munition. Unbelievable stuff amd it's whatever Israelis do best. The amount of undercover stuff and planning would have been huge. Iran look terribly weak.

Overall Israels campaign in Gaza from a purely military point of view is a success so far aswell. It's 1 militant for 1 or 1.5 civilians. The Americans in Falujah was 1 to 5 I think. Now there ll be no exit. (They ll cut the gaza strip in half now for good i would say.. check points right in the middle).It's no good to the kids that are dead or injured but imagine the Russians in Gaza.. Id say there'd be 250,000 dead at least. They don't give a fiddlers.. look what they did in Syria.. and yet there wasn't much talk about it in Ireland .

Iran amd Hizbollah will try something big. Hizbollah seem to have gone 'soft '. They don't want an escalation. America have an aircraft carrier group off Bierut and the UK have a massive base in Cyprus..RAF Akrotiri so the next few days will be interesting. My thoughts are another barrage of largely ineffectual rockets and drones . Good 2 days for Israels military

Kermit.de.frog

NYT reporting that Iran is preparing to strike Israel.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/guyelster/status/1818731448926351398

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pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449921#Comment_122449921

Have you just accidentally admitted your gripe goes all the way back to Israels very existence?

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450288#Comment_122450288

No. But keep trying.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450303#Comment_122450303

Just random unrelated factoids then? Saying its formation was a breach of UN and human rights was a sentence lol.

Weepsie

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449971#Comment_122449971

Im very well aware of that, but markodaly doesn't get away with lies and half truths and dress them up as the facts of what actually happened. The details of what happened at UNSCOp and before it are fundamental in understanding everything that has happened since.

Gerrymandering reborn

No surprise seeing all the Muslim countries being upset at the death of a leader of a terrorist organization.

If they actually cared about the plight of the Palestinians, the many Islamic countries in the Middle East would have offered refuge to the Palestinians.

Anyways war is horrible, the sooner it ends the better

Ardent

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450273#Comment_122450273

I don't know what's more embarrassing. The ease with which Haniyeh was killed in Tehran or this "response" from Iran. Reads like a scared, face-saving token gesture.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450363#Comment_122450363

I dont agree that the sooner it ends the better. There has to be a resolution and an end to Irans funding if its proxies. The sooner Iran is faced up to the better. They are a cancer. I think the Israeli end game is provoke Iran into an escalation and then try and get the Americans and British in and then go for Irans nuclear facilities.. bombing the place to bits.

Correct on the other Arab states mourning Haneyeh..all crocodile tears. They should offer to take in All the Palestinian Arabs between the 5 or 6 of them and leave the place to the Israelies. The Palestinians are holding everyone back from making the middle east a success. They rejected a large country in 48 ...they ve rejected all offers of a state. Now it's off the table. There ll be no Palestine. No chance with the settlers in the West Bank...They can blame the person looking at them in the mirror every morning whilst they brush their teeth.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450415#Comment_122450415

How could they not reject it. They were not at the table as part of the UNSCOp talks. Would you accept being forcibly removed from your land

Your proposal for other Arab states should take them is dangerously reminiscent of what was being proposed in the 1930s but we're not allowed say that I guess.

Israel has illegally occupied land that it should be kicked off and made pay for the rebuilding of gaza and every single home in the west bank it has demolished.

Is Netanyahu staring at them like a ghoul in their mirror, and his many predecessors who have implemented policies of deliberate dehumanisation, forcing them to be refugees in their own land? Your response is incredible to be honest and shows the massive self entitlement that Israel and it's decision makers have displayed for far too long and been let away with for far too long

Kermit.de.frog

Iran's response could be as early as tonight.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1818776892289294679

Guess it will be similar to last time.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449765#Comment_122449765

What were the findings of the UNSCO?

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449921#Comment_122449921

This all sounds a little bit conspiratorial to be fair, and dare I say rose tinted.

At the end of the day, the UN voted to establish 2 states.

One Jewish.

One Arab.

The Jewish state was accepted and became Israel.

The Arab state was not, and thus attacked Israel many times since.

And here we are..

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450168#Comment_122450168

Your attitude to the ICJ ruling on the West Bank confirms it. You also don't agree with the seeking of arrest warrants for Bibi and Gallant. No doubt the prosecutor is bias. You have no such reservations when it comes to its rulings on Russia though . So you clearly are not for international law and its implementation when it suits Marko

What was my attitude. Can you quote me?

People are making a lot of claims to what I think, yet I have never commented on many of the charges.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451006#Comment_122451006

Maybe I mixed you up with another poster. As I thought you said the ICJ ruling was flawed and biased. If you didn't then fair enough I was wrong. So what is your opinion then on these matters?

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122449600#Comment_122449600

"the arabs" again?

And sure why would anyone living under a colonial force object to their land being parcelled out.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448885#Comment_122448885

It's the main reason. It was reported by the BBC back in November that Nethanyu assured Biden Hamas leaders would not be touched while in Qatar. You would have to wonder after the apparent strike on Dief why Haniyeh opted to risk going to Iran. He apparently called off a trip to Lebanon over security fears. Perhaps he thought being the lead negotiator in peace talks gave him some kind of immunity ?

Donald Trump

I see the zionists killed more journalists in a targeted assassination today.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/31/two-al-jazeera-reporters-killed-as-israeli-airstrike-hits-car-in-northern-gaza

Isn't it mad that such crimes are perceived as almost normal now given the frequency and impunity with which the zionists commit them.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451100#Comment_122451100

To be fair, blowing up the negotiator in peace talks isn't something you'd generally expect from a country that's supposedly serious about the peace talks.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122450993#Comment_122450993

It's not remotely conspiratorial. There's an awful awful lot of academic research into it. I even linked some of it, remember you dismissed out of hand , I assume without actually reading it.

It was a decision that suited one side and one side only and disregarded some precedents the UN itself had set in it's young existence at the time.

Trying to claim it conspiratorial is just your way of admitting you don't really have a notion of what you're talking about.

Israel, like it's neighbours, has never respected the decision either given the annexations and landgrabs since. But that's a different argument.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451195#Comment_122451195

Well with someone like Bibi at the helm he should have. Also the one thing about the Israelis is they follow through on their threats sooner or later

Hamas have lost senior people before and continued on. I don't think this strike will act as a deterrence. That was never the real intention of it anyway. As you say Bibi isn't serious about peace talks, all he cares about is staying in power.

Hamas will get stronger if anything. I'd say their HR department can't keep up with all the new applicants since October.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451295#Comment_122451295

That's my suspicion too. There was no need to do this at this particular point in time. They assassinated a peace talk negotiator, in a separate country.

I feel Bibi did it because he wants to escalate the situation. This is for two reasons. Firstly he's safe in office as long as the war is ongoing. So keeping the war going is good for him. Secondly he's indebted to the hardliners in the government. this keeps them happy.

PeggyShippen

People claiming Haniyeh was a Gerry Adams type guy are correct but the Israelis aren't the British and he got what he deserved . They dont forget what he gave the 'greenlight' for on Oct 7th ..

BiBi definitely wants the war to continue for whatever reason. It's the right thing to do anyway. It's time to confront Iran plain and simple. This modern day irish left wing whinging of 'give peace a chance ' and 'stop the war" is all bogus. The Left in Ireland and across the world want Hamas to stay in situ. They hate Israel ..substitute 'zionist' for 'jew' and want it to lose . It won't happen.

The British were genuine in 1948 . Since the Tipperary,Waterford and Wexford men of the Royal Irish regiment under Appleby in WW1 helped liberate Jeruselum the locals had little or no 'Palestinian' out look. They were Arabs ,thats it.The Arabs were given a fine chance of having a country in 48/49 ..similar to the Free State of 1922 which was an opportunity we grasped. They rejected it and would have killed every man woman and Jewish child if they could. They then lost the war of attempted annihilation,badly . The Saudis ,Hashemites ect didn't and don't give a toss about the Palestinians.. never have. They just wanted the Jews gone. It's only in the mid 1950s that the Americans became a serious power superceding the British woth cold hard cash. Hard to know what happens now... For me this opportunity to rid the middle east of Irans power or at least degrade it must be grasped. There's a huge peace deal coming if the Iranians are confronted. The UAE ,Jordan and Saudi Arabia are already allies of Israel in all but name. With Iran degraded the Palestinians can get building Gaza and become realistic .. they ll get offered a large part of the desert near Gaza and that's it...thats the best they ll get after 7th of Octobers atrocity. The west bank will never be part of the end treaty again. It's over for them in the West Bank ..too many bad decisions by their leaders since forever . The best they can hope for is 2 million max being offered Israeli citizenship and a good deal of autonomy there. The settlers will never move or be moved now. Too many if them, too well armed andthe Haredi families are like the Irish families of our grandparents...8 kids average I think

Weepsie

If the settlers are not moved, Israel should be blacklisted, sanctioned a d held with utmost contempt. It' says they can do the **** what they want.

They've been forcefully removing people off their land every year. That should never ever be rewarded.

Israel is as rogue a state as Iran , just in different ways

silverharp

How much is down to a lack of leadership in the US, an absent President , different power bases trying to exercise control? are things down to what does China feel about it now?

thatsdaft

Another evil fecker on the way to meet the 72 virgin goats

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-08-01/israel-says-it-s-confirmed-hamas-number-two-deif-was-killed

cue fake outrage and crocodile tears from Islamist terrorist sympathisers

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451037#Comment_122451037

I never said anything of the sort regarding the ICJ.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451625#Comment_122451625

Ok then. Fair enough. So what is your opinion on the ICJ rulings?

markodaly

IDF has taken another scalp.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpv3gpy74ydo

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451577#Comment_122451577

Was always going to happen, Israel are too strong for Hamas. Hamas recently made a deal with the PA so they know the power will be transferred after their eventual destruction

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451266#Comment_122451266

On July 21, the committee traveled to Lebanon, where they met with Lebanese Prime Minister Riad al-Solh and Foreign Minister Hamid Frangieh, who demanded an end to further Jewish immigration and the establishment of an Arab government in Palestine and claimed that the Zionists had territorial ambitions in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. On July 23, the representatives of Arab League states testified before the committee in Sofar. Frangieh told the committee that Jews "illegally" in Palestine would be expelled while the situation of those "legally" in Palestine but without Palestinian citizenship would be resolved by a future Arab government. Efforts by UNSCOP members to get other Arab diplomats to soften their stance failed, with one committee member noting that "there is nothing more extreme than meeting all the representatives of the Arab world in one group... when each one tries to show that he is more extreme than the other."

The last bit in bold stands out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Special_Committee_on_Palestine

It is clear that the Arab leaders would never have accepted Jews living in a future independent Palestine even as early as 1945.

The effort of the UNSCOP was in effect a 2 state solution, a solution you agree with, ironicly.

The Zionists played a good hand here, the Arabs refused to soften their stance and didn't play the game. They lost, and they have yet to learn from their mistakes.

Palestinians have been led terribly for 80 years, it must be said.

Rezident

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451577#Comment_122451577

Even the pro-Hamas people in this thread have to admit that technologically, militarily, Israel is incredible. Deif and Haniyeh and Shukr in Gaza and Beirut and Tehran at the same time? If James Bond or Navy Seals did that in a movie it would be too far-fetched. Stunning military victories. Reminds me of the epic 6-day war win.

Plus the terrorists have stopped using smartphones, they're back to pagers and human couriers and Israel still got all of them. Stunning! It's as if God is on their side.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451062#Comment_122451062

If one cannot describe the Arab delegation during the UNSCOP in 1947, as "The Arabs", then what is the acceptable term that one should use?

As to your last point, it was in effect a 2 state solution. Is that a solution you favour today?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451721#Comment_122451721

Yes. i think the PA leadership are secretly delighted by these strikes while publicity denouncing them.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451775#Comment_122451775

And the world in general, Hamas gone, bit of peace in the region should help oil prices stabilise

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451759#Comment_122451759

I heard a military analyst yesterday talk about the assassination of Haniyeh as a pure embarrassment for Iran. Apparently it was a drone, that was launched outside of Iranian airspace and flew across the country, into the window of the very room Haniyeh was staying in.

A big military and intelligence failure.

Someone a day or two ago was talking about Iran 'trolling' Israel into an all-out war. If anyone is trolling it's the Israelis with these precise hits on the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451335#Comment_122451335

I think you're right. The strikes also show just how weak Iran is. If the Israeli leadership calculated a regional war was likely in response, then they may have opted for a lesser target. The Iranian are snookered now, they have to be seen to respond, but if it's a repeat of what happened previously their threats will be seen as ineffectual.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451759#Comment_122451759

When you add in the demolition of all civilian infrastructure, the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children, the mutilation of tens of thousands more, the torture and rape of thousands of civilians detained ... It really is something alright

WEST

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451577#Comment_122451577

I don't think anyone will cry over deif, however I don't think this 'win' was worth killing 90 palestinians. Maybe this is me just trying to make sense of the carnage that has occured in Gaza, but anyone that has blindly supported the actions of netanyahu and the IDF the last few months must have some cognitive issues or sociopath tendencies.