Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

batman75

I hope I live to see a Palestine country from the river to the sea where Jewish people are welcome to live alongside their Arab brethern. Israel has given up its right to exist by its genocide in Gaza.

nacho libre

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/05/palestinian-prisoners-describe-widespread-abuse-in-israels-jails

Clearly the human rights group B’Tselem is anti semitic too.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466757#Comment_122466757

You still haven't answered my question as regards the colonisation of the occupied territories.

Odhinn

The "beacon of hope"………..

"Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said Monday that starving two million Gazans "to death" may be the "right and moral" to do until Israeli hostages held in Gaza are released, but that the "world won't let us."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-08-05/ty-article/israeli-finance-minister-starving-gazans-to-death-may-be-moral-but-world-wont-let-us/00000191-22e1-dd23-a7dd-2aed4b050000

thereiver

The government of Iran has announced Israel must be punished but they do not want to escalate the situation so it's likely to be a limited attack

Neither side wants a full scale war that could cause 1000s of civilian casualties and of course Israel would have the support of America if war breaks out

I think that means they don't want to provoke a war against Israel

There will likely be a barrage of missiles launched against Israel

I think it's very unlikely Israel will invade Lebanon theres 1000s of Hezbollah soldiers they are armed with 1000s of missiles they are well trained

Israel does not want to get involved in a war which would cost the lives of 1000s of Israeli soldiers

I think Biden knows that Israel is not really trying to have a ceasefire Bibi said he wants total victory

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122451919#Comment_122451919

So you think that the people in the peace talks should not be involved in the conflict? Really? That's just bizarre.

rogber

So will there be full scale war big enough to overtake Olympics as the media spectacle of the summer?

Or just a lame barrage of rocket fire from Iran and Hezbollah, 98 percent of which will be intercepted by Israel, before both sides again fall back into the status quo?

I suspect the latter

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122465666#Comment_122465666

it doesnt really matter what it sounds like , I can picture that "never again" now including the 7th Oct. its not like Israel is surrounded by nice reasonable people

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122469466#Comment_122469466

Not like Palestinians are surrounded by a country who treats them worse than dirt on their shoe

sjb25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468857#Comment_122468857

Barrage of rockets most of which will be shot down and repeat isreal are well aware it wont be much more that why they will continue

Basically this is iran and hezbollah at the border

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122469691#Comment_122469691

so terrorism is ok then ? ;-)

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470336#Comment_122470336

Point out exactly where I've ever said this.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470417#Comment_122470417

you tried to equate both sides so its implied, its basically rational what the Israelis are doing so there is no point in them acting irrationally like letting hamas regroup

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470464#Comment_122470464

I've never said terror is okay. I've never said what Israel is doing is okay. This from he person who described the process of ethnic cleansing only a day or 2 ago as maybe the best solution

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470503#Comment_122470503

all Im saying it that I would expect Israel to keep going until hamas are either all killed or they surrender

Donald Trump

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TinyMuffin

here’s what a shower of fookers Isreal are

https://youtu.be/NqK3_n6pdDY?si=xBjaBEj2SUR7ieNI

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122470336#Comment_122470336

Only if it's state terrorism it seems. What is your opinion on Irgun by the way?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122468832#Comment_122468832

So, can we look forward to President Higgins sending a Best Wishes letter to Yahya Sinwar on his elevation to political head of the government of Palestine?

nacho libre

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Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122472112#Comment_122472112

If he's head of anything, it's Gaza and Gaza alone.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122466560#Comment_122466560

The language of hate again from that clown. How could there ever be peace with people like him constantly mouthing and baiting people? These lads are every bit as bad as Hamas.

Weepsie

Israel now acting offended and playing the victim card because their diplomat to Japan was not invited to the Nagasaki bombing memorial. UK and USA all out too in solidarity with Israel.

For the us ambassador to skip it and send junior staff is poor

The cognitive dissonance involved there is something to behold

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122472112#Comment_122472112

That's your go to? Who should the israeli government negotiate with? You going to step up? You have the ability to negotiate on behalf of hamas leadership? Can you enforce Can you agree on behalf of them? Can you enforce any agreement?

Obviously Hamas leadership have to be involved in the negotiations.

Or is this just your way of saying no peace.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122473144#Comment_122473144

not just US, Uk - EU, Canada, australia too

meanwhile the love in between Yahya and israel didnt last long - there wont be any one left in hamas to negotiate at this rate...

Israel vows to kill Yahya Sinwar as he’s named Hamas leader as US warns against escalation

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-iran-attack-war-hamas-hezbollah-yahya-sinwar-b2592386.html

engineerws

Another great write up by Johnathan Cooke.

https://open.substack.com/pub/jonathancook/p/israel-is-in-a-death-spiral-who-will

How on earth Israel is allowed to compete in the Olympics is beyond me. It's sad we're lining up in support of the religious supremacist leadership of Israel

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122474000#Comment_122474000

How could any right thinking person back this?

''A clear message was sent to Israeli soldiers over many decades that, just as the genocidal murder of Palestinians is considered warranted and “lawful”, the torture and rape of Palestinians held in captivity is considered warranted and “lawful” too.''

Brussels Sprout

AIPAC claim another victim in their fight to purge American democracy of any voices critical of their actions against Palestinians.

She has been a vocal critic of Israel's war in Gaza, with pro-Israel groups spending more than $10m (£7.9m) on efforts to unseat her in the primary.

Projections from both the Associated Press news agency and NBC News suggest Mr Bell is on track to win the vote with 51% of ballots cast, compared to Ms Bush's 46%.

The district is a strongly Democratic area and Mr Bell will be expected to hold it at the coming election.

Almost all the money spent in campaigning against Ms Bush reportedly came from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac). Aipac is a pro-Israel lobbying group and has vowed to spend over $100m to unseat progressive lawmakers who have spoken out against the war in Gaza, Politico reported.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewlle7jrgdo

Imagine a pro-Russian group was doing this to people speaking out criticising Russia about the war in Ukraine? Amazing that this kind of thing is seen as ok.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122471635#Comment_122471635

Im not keeping a moral score Im just saying what I expect Israel to do and that would be destroy Hamas and maybe Hezbollah, no point letting them get stronger to mount stronger attacks down the road.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475184#Comment_122475184

This would be the Hamas, that Netanyahus government helped to fund so as to prevent the far less militant Palestinian organisations gaining any traction?

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475184#Comment_122475184

Given they are struggling getting rid of Hamas I'd say they have zero chance of getting rid of Hezbollah.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475184#Comment_122475184

It's an impossible task. There is no military solution to this long term. I think that suits the Israeli right perfectly fine though.

Fuascailteoir

Actual footage leaked today of Israeli soldiers gang raping Palestinians. How anyone can try to defend what is going on is incredible

Madeleine Birchfield

Hamas today is like the Black Hand in Serbia 110 years ago. They are terrorists who instigated a regional war (in the Middle East for Hamas, in Europe for the Black Hand) and then faded to irrelevance as the major regional and global powers took over and escalated the war far beyond the original scope. In the end, very few people at Versailles cared that the Black Hand terrorists achieved all their objectives for a greater Serbia and won. They were too busy with the dismemberment of Austria-Hungary, the overthrow of the Russian and German Emperors and replacement with a republic in Germany and a Bolshevik dictatorship in Russia, the collapse and partition of the Ottoman Empire, etc.

If Israel and Iran and the United States and its allies escalate this war, by the end of the war, very few people are going to care about Hamas getting the 1967 borders back if the anti-Israel side wins. They'll all be too busy dealing with the United States gets kicked out of the Middle East, the governments of its allied nations in the region (Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc) either turning their backs on the United States or getting couped and replaced with new governments hostile to the United States, Europe going through civil wars between its majority population and its Muslim minorities due to blowback from this Middle Eastern war, and so on.

engineerws

Wouldn't surprise me if Israel leaked the video intentionally in order to get the war they want.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/leaked-video-shows-israelis-sexually-assaulting-palestinian

How can the US support this?

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122474579#Comment_122474579

Great to see one of the far left 'squad' being ousted. That's American politics...ruthless. it's a good day all the same

PeggyShippen

You're argument would have some merit if the USA wasn't a military hyper power stringer than the next 8 best militaries combined .. So far ahead of China still thank God. America goes nowhere if it doesn't want to. The only worry I'd have is a far left takeover at the top in Washington

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475990#Comment_122475990

You must be completely clueless of you think Cori Bush is far left. In fact, if you think anyone in us politics, be they democratic or republic is far left you'd be way off. Theyre at most centre left and even that's a stretch.

And AIPAC spent 8.5 million dollars to campaign against her. That's frankly disgusting. Spending that sort of money because someone will criticize past and ongoing war crimes. A person who is considered left wing because they call out some of the o equality in society and have been on the side of trying to address it

TheValeyard

UK must think something is happening soon

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1821255752524427682

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475990#Comment_122475990

It' s a terrible day. Someone ousted in an orchestrated campaign against them for not staying silent about Israeli war crimes. Of course you'd see it as a good day though.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475251#Comment_122475251

Which proves this war is not really about Israel's long term security, it's about Bibi staying in power and maintaining the status quo post war. Bibi and Hamas have one thing in common : they both don't want to see a moderate opposition ruling Gaza. If in the event that scenario looks likely Bibi will fund some islamists to undermine them. In fairness Bibi wasn't the first do it- Yitzshak Shamir did it back in 80s to weaken the PlO. So it could be said some Israeli governments are fond of supporting terrorism when it suits...

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122475769#Comment_122475769

the US are hardly going to get kicked out of the middle east in an election year

batman75

Scary what has gone on in the Israeli prison of Sde Teiman. Absolute sadism and a true reflection of the hatred towards Palestinians from sections of Israeli society. Israel has most likely signed it's death warrant as a country by it's actions. It cannot defeat Hamas and Hezbollah. It has engaged in assassinations in other countries to instigate a wider middle east war. Netanyahu is leading his country towards oblivion.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122473188#Comment_122473188

As if you or I have anything to contribute to a solution!!!! But to put "negotiate" and "peace" together with the name of Yahya Sinwar is a very dark and cynical joke .There are, apparently, many of his favoured tunnels still left intact in Gaza but doubt any of them lead to Damascus.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122477116#Comment_122477116

Truly amazing. Makes a laugh of posters complaining about what goes on in Iran while all the time backing this.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478059#Comment_122478059

It's almost as if there is no principle involved; abhorrence to criminal acts rather depends on who the victims are. Yet many of this sort will be quick to cry anti semitism while displaying a clearly racist attitude towards others.

nacho libre

" Stop Bullshitting me"

This is what Joe is reported to have said to Bibi in an angry exchange. Even Israeli defense chiefs believe Bibi is not interested in a ceasefire. Yet we were suppose to believe Bibi had agreed to one according to Blinken.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478052#Comment_122478052

tens of thousands of innocent Gazans have been killed. The entire gaza strip is leveled. people are starving because aid is blocked.

Besides that the westbank is living under apartheid, settlements are increasing. Neither side are looking good.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478599#Comment_122478599

The Israelis have no principles for sure. They talk out of both sides of their mouths. The good thing is that the entire world now sees them for what they are. They have lost any little bit of respect they had.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122478599#Comment_122478599

Many of them have never called out Israel on any of their crimes. It's as if they back all their actions. Two more schools hit today and another 50 Gazans killed. They claim that Hamas are hiding in schools but schools would be the last place they'd hide if they had a brain in their heads. It's the general population the Israelis are targeting/