Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590720#Comment_122590720

It's still strange right? I mean he was all over Hersh's death and still nothing from the top dog w.r.t Aysenur. A lot of news outlets playing up the Turkish angle as well so maybe yeah, she's just not white enough.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590764#Comment_122590764

Ha, on the auld ratio there. The going rate for an Israeli:Palestinian in 2011 was 1:1027:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Shalit_prisoner_exchange

"a 2011 agreement between Israel and Hamas to release Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1,027 prisoners — almost all Palestinians and Arab-Israelis, although there were also a Ukrainian, a Jordanian and a Syrian."

The Ukrainian lad was probably worth a few Palestinians so maybe we'll round it to 1:1050. I'd say their value on the exchange has probably dipped in recent months but we'll go with that.

Of course they could never agree to a ceasefire as that would require a hostage exchange and well for the ~100 or so Israeli's held that would mean some 105000 Palestinians would have to be released. I mean I think OP only have in the region of 10,000. So falling well short of a satisfactory amount. Maybe they're trying to get a few more in the bank? In terms of deathrate, I think OP might need to get up to ~1,260,000 (1200x1050) to recoup the costs of Oct 7th? This is pretty reflective of how they're valued in the west anyway.

It is strange with this girl however. I mean I remember some pretty strong statements about anyone killing US citizens and not much about her. Hopefully the IDF will do another thorough investigation to find out how this atrocity happened.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593012#Comment_122593012

I remember thinking at the time - imagine the outrage in the US if Russia had identified a "safe route" for US citizens to evacuate occupied regions of Ukraine but then hit US citizens in vehicles using that route in an airstrike. And that would be even accounting for the fact that US is almost engaging in a proxy war with Russia via Ukraine.

But then their so called ally does it in Gaza to US citizens and radio silence ………..

thereiver

There seem to be no place safe in gaza they are bombing schools and buildings used as shelters for cvilians I think it's hard for Biden or Harris to put pressure on israel as they don't want to lose the Jewish vote since there's only a few percent difference between trump and Harris in the polls

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593640#Comment_122593640

Biden is history. Barely a peep out of him of late. Expect that to be the case until the election. What do you think Harris is going to do? Doubt anyone in Israel knows who he is. Alternatively, it might be the case that he supports the only proper democracy in the Middle East. Imagine that.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594782#Comment_122594782

It is not a functioning democracy if 4 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza do not have a vote in Israeli elections when the Israelis control their daily lives and their right to land.

You shouldn't automatically support a democracy anyway if they kill 15k kids.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594782#Comment_122594782

Doubt anyone in Israel knows who he is.

Who, Trump? They know who he is. Your doubt of that is very discrediting.

Overheal

American-Jewish filmmaker speech at Friedland Venice Film festival: “I am accepting this award on the 336th day of Israel’s genocide in Gaza and 76th year of occupation…I stand in solidarity with the people of Palestine in their struggle for liberation."

https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/9/8/jewish-director-at-venice-film-festival-speaks-in-solidarity-with-palestine

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122593640#Comment_122593640

I doubt even outside an election year we would see a fundamental shift in policy from America towards Israel. I can't see that changing with the election of Harris

By a fundamental shift I mean fully suspending military aid to Israel. When Regan and Bush Senior did it Israel fell into line promptly.

TomSweeney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122590764#Comment_122590764

She traveled to Israel with a known terror-linked Islamic organization called ISM and got in a clash with the IDF. Is she a “peace activist” or an “innocent civilian” now?

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

This won't stop, the Jihadi rapists are losing this war and will lose - Never again means NEVER AGAIN.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595365#Comment_122595365

Your lack of empathy is really outstanding. Did she deserve to die? NO.

Deaths in the region will continue with attitudes like yours.

engineerws

Pravda and other outlets elevating the killing of three Israeli border guards.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0908/1468949-middle-east/

Meanwhile…

Gaza’s Health Ministry says Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip have killed 33 Palestinians and wounded 145 others over the latest 24-hour reporting period.

WTAF is wrong with those pricks in rte? Completely ignoring eleven times as many Palestinians killed.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595970#Comment_122595970

It's how the news cycle works. Citizens being killed daily in Gaza or the West Bank is not new news. 3 Israeli's killed in the West Bank is however new news. Same way if Netanyahu dressed in drag and publicly pissed off an overpass onto oncoming cars, that would make news headlines worldwide as it's new news.

You could at least link the news site that's reporting the Gaza Strip deaths before the Israeli ones, ya know… for balance and not just attacking RTE.

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594823#Comment_122594823

Where did I mention Trump? I'm talking about Harris.

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122594822#Comment_122594822

The rest of the countries in that region are not bound by Israel and they are not functioning democracies either.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122596333#Comment_122596333

Do you know who Harris is?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595365#Comment_122595365

The irony and lack of self-awareness about saying "NEVER AGAIN" about a historical event while gleefully supporting and cheering on it's modern equivalent unfolding in realtime before your eyes

Spudmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595365#Comment_122595365

Never again Tom?

Sure it wasn't the "jihadi rapists" who did it first time? It was the same fellas who are doing it again; western white dudes. I mean the German's are front and centre. They've a pretty **** track record at not-not facilitating mass killing. The "jihadi rapists" had nothing to do with the Holocaust.

I suppose you've no interest to know that OP has been weaponizing that since the beginning of its existence:

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/israels-rape-entitlement-stems-from-its-foundation-18198981

Oh and they're glorifying the fellas doing it there.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/09/01/732447/Ben-Shitrit-s-views-unmask-moral-decay-within-Zionist-circles

Put up some examples of the "jihadi rapists" and I'll roundly condemn them. Will you do the same with the above?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122595365#Comment_122595365

Victim blaming much, and highly likely racially motivated as well.
she traveled to the west bank which is not israel, to protest the illegal occupation of that area and all other areas outside israel that are not and never will be israel, which are in fact another states land.
she was both a peace activist and innocent civilian, she got in no clash but was simply slaughtered by a force which has a similar mentality to isis in terms of their extremist beliefs.
so nope wrong, not play stupid games win stupid prizes, as the game was not stupid.
this will stop, slowly but surely the people of the world are turning away from israel because they have had enough of the hypocracy, the excuses and lies from it's government and spokes people.
not to mention the feeling of it having a special status where it can do whatever it likes and there will be no consequences.
it is only the politicians keeping this whole issue going.
and lets be clear, the IDF are just as bad as any gihadi group, they are just as capable of, and have been doing and are, slaughtering left right and centre in the name of religion and self entitlement.

Odhinn

Grim indeed if this comes to pass

"Israel is entering the second phase of its war in Gaza, when it will strive to complete its takeover of the northern Gaza Strip from the previous border to the Netzarim corridor. We can predict that this area will then gradually be made available for Jewish settlement and annexation to Israel, according to the degree of international outcry that such steps might incur."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-09-09/ty-article/.premium/annexation-expulsion-and-settlements-netanyahu-gears-up-for-next-phase-of-gaza-war/00000191-d739-dba7-a1ff-dfff26830000

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598851#Comment_122598851

We knew this was coming especially with them paving a road across gaza a few months ago.

tayto lover

I'm totally amazed how people still believe that all this began on Oct 7th and that Israel is the good guy. I'm also beginning to believe that much of it is blatant anti-Muslim.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598923#Comment_122598923

It did start on October 7th. That's when this current war started . The Islamists in Gaza broke into Israel and started murdering and raping.

Its good to see that road being built in Gaza to help control it. Philadelphia corridor has to be controlled aswell .

Interesting study and report sent into Tim Davie about the anti Israel Bias in the BBC. It's all there as plain as day. Downplaying Hamas and October 7th.. Wild accusations against Israel. It's all coming out and the BBC will be held somewhat to account. Its presenters and international editor Jeremy Bowen have been heavily criticised for being biased.

RTE is much more Anti Israel. Will a similar report be done? Is it's editorial team held to account. Irish media has to be the most hostile anti Israel media in Europe.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

Wild accusations against Israel

What wild accusations

I bet the BBC are also anti-Nazi, too, so them being slanted against Israel's war crimes for instance neither shocks me or would be indicative of a lack of ethical reporting.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

it didn't start on october 7th	this current "war" as in genocide is part of the ongoing genocide of the palestinian territories.
the islamists simply walked across the border to commit their disgraceful attack which is no justification for the gazan and west bank genocides	israel were aware the attacks were coming and did not secure the borders for whatever reason.
gaza will never be controlled thankfully	israel will eventually be forced out of it and the west bank as the current crop of enablers won't be around forever.
there is no anti-israel bias in the BBC	the BBC are just stating the fact that israel is a racist
same for irish media	simply stating the facts about israel.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

Being critical of a state committing war crimes is the right and ethical thing to do. Fair play to RTE for not falling for Israeli state propaganda

The Russian ambassador to Ireland feels the same way about RTE by the way . You are in good company Peggy.

I suspect you dont have a problem with RTE being critical of Russia.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599158#Comment_122599158

It's the national broadcasters job to be impartial and report the facts. The BBC and RTE are packed full of anti Israel journalists. Youd have to turn on American news or German news to get the 'other ' side. Where's Dana Elrich.. they used to pretend to be balanced and bring her on occasionally. She's a great ambassador. Very fair and tries to explain to Ireland that backing the Jihadists is not the right thing to do. Ireland can't really be that worried about civilians because there was very little said about the Syrian civilians or the Yemeni civilians. It's all anti Israel stuff.

October 7th was the war crime . The murder,rape and burnings. The only issue I can see that the Israelis are doing differently is hitting terrorists when they are embedded among civilians. That in itself is not a war crime if the military goal can be shown to be greater than the loss of civilian life . Hard to prove that. So if 5 Hamas planners are in among 40 or 50 civilians then they can be all neutralised if there is evidence that the Palestinian terrorists were planning or about to execute something big.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599623#Comment_122599623

What wild accusations?

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599663#Comment_122599663

The wild accusations that Israel is committing 'genocide' everytime civilians get killed in Gaza. That's as Wild as it gets and it's not correct .

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122598923#Comment_122598923

This current war started on October 7th. Hamas broke into Israel on that date and they murdered and raped innocent Israelis. Still can't wrap my head around the level of support that we are seeing for Hamas in this country. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Spudmonkey

https://news.sky.com/story/middle-east-latest-israel-strike-protests-netanyahu-gaza-live-updates-12978800

Sky News being very Anti-Israel today highlighting that OP attacked a refugee camp near Khan Younis. Entire families have been blown to bits in a strike that left a crater 3m deep. 40 dead and 60 injured.

Given that north of 80% of them are Hamas supporters, this must make at least 32 dead terrorists including some of those terrorist toddlers.

On a related note, saw footage of a man yesterday putting cloth into the skull of a terrorist toddler to keep it together for burial as its brain had been blown out, obviously can't post that here.

The toddler was alleged to have been "killed" but the perpetrators haven't been named I don't think. Hopefully the moral IOF can get to the bottom of it and hold them accountable whoever it was.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599623#Comment_122599623

That is what the national broadcaster is doing. You would prefer it whitewash Israeli crimes. You can keep trying to pedal the canard that they are not, but it was you who justified ethnic cleansing in the West Bank on the basis of self defense. Yet at the same time bemoan Israelis being forced from their homes in Northern Israel. So therefore everything is permissable in the name of self defense going by your logic. Yet if this doctrine was applied to Israel you would soon change your tune.

Israeli war crimes have been well documented over the years by international and Israeli human rights groups.

Be consistent condemn violence and rape no matter who does it, Peggy. As you know the IDF was founded by Irgun terrorists who used rape as a weapon of war. So it didn't start with Hamas. Don't put your fingers in yours ear and crib about organisations stating the facts about these things.

WEST

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599903#Comment_122599903

No one is supporting Hamas, the killing of innocent Palestinians is the issue but I'm sure you know that.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

No it started 75 years ago. Land grabbing in the WB did not start on Oct 7th. Murdering and interning innocent people did not start on Oct 7th. Treating Palestinians like s*** did not start on Oct 7th. If there is a media bias anywhere (and I haven't seen it) then it's fully deserved. Israel is a pariah state.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599903#Comment_122599903

No it didn't start on Oct 7th. It escalated then but it started 75 years ago. Israel has always treated the Palestinians in a shocking way. Israel has shown that it has no shame and no depts it won't descent to.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599623#Comment_122599623

In the interests of balance, it must of course be stated that the ratio of civilians to soldiers/security/police killed on October 7th must have been a lot lower than the so-called civilised IDF's subsequent genocide. That's even before you get to deducting the Israeli civilians the IDF themselves killed under their Hannibal directive.

But anyway, continue establishing that it is ok to "neutralise" civilians if they are among "planners" or whatever. As long as you apply it consistently then people won't call you a hypocrite.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122600391#Comment_122600391

Yes, we would likely see Peggy's double standards on display if another country killed scores of Israeli civilians while striking IDF military facilities in Tel Aviv in what they claimed was preemptive self defense.

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599836#Comment_122599836

It is genocide - The Israelis are deliberately targeting civilians.

I highly doubt there was a hamas "command centre" in that tented area that was bombed last night - always seems to be Israels excuse - there was a command centre, there was a 5 year old hamas commander , the 2 day old twins were launching missiles at Israel etc etc.

Its getting old at this stage.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599836#Comment_122599836

they are though.

Is the Holocaust memorial museums definition of genocide too broad for your liking?

chewed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122601114#Comment_122601114

As long as the ratio of killing is 50:1, it's all fine. (50 being innocent/women/children and 1 being Hamas)

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

Show me a report on the RTE website that has a single lie in it. Seriously, anything at all. They're reporting facts. Same goes for BBC. Show me where it's lying.

tayto lover

What has happened to the thread?

Sudden Valley

Thread broken again it seems

chewed

What's happened to this thread? All the posts are blank!

nacho libre

A couple of good jokes I heard recently: " "We are fully confident in the Israeli investigation "

Well Joe is in cognitive decline so maybe he has forgotten how previous IDF investigations tend to go

Another one:

A highly trained sniper "indirectly and unintentionally shot the woman"

Just as snipers "unintentionally" shot dead numerous people from civilians to journalists over the years.

I suppose it's easier for the apologists to believe this than accept the truth that trigger happy soliders are nearly always never held to account. Still do believe we our the most moral and accountable army.

taratee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122607624#Comment_122607624

Looks like an issue with the pagination. I am seeing 1277 pages but page 1266 is the last page with posts.

Timberrrrrrrr

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nacho libre

If you go back about 11 pages in the thread you will be able to see the latest posts.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599663#Comment_122599663

If an Israeli walks up to you and starts punching you in the face. please don't make any wild accusations against them if you call the Gardai, such as explaining that the Israeli is punching you in the face.

"wild accusation" = "refusing to blindly swallow zionist blatant gaslighting attemtps"

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122599007#Comment_122599007

Let's all play that game Peggy.

This current genocide all started on 13th October when the zionists began a nonsensical ground offensive against civilians in Gaza. Since then, the murdering and destruction has been as total as the zionists have been able to make it. Of course, with their usual gaslighting, they knowingly lied that it would be over within a week or so. Anyone who is murdered or maimed by their so called precision smart weapons can be retroactively designated as a "terrorist" or else that there was a rumour that a terrorist was nearby. Which ultimately won't matter as the targets are already dead or maimed and nobody will be either bringing them back or holding the genocide perpetrators to account.

October 13th. We can all play that game of pretend.

tayto lover

Still not seeing the posts here.