Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Weepsie

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/07/united-nations-israel-children-rights-violation

Further falling into pariah state status.

Erdan in reply said once again it's the most moral army in the world. They're living on another planet

And for the concerned. Hamas are also named in the report

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122231981#Comment_122231981

So, you're looking for clarification on whether this is a new war, an intensification of a preexisting war, or what? It seemed like things were quiet in Gaza prior to this outbreak of war and with Israel getting closer to an agreement with Saudi Arabia, Iran's proxies like Hamas had to act. Hence, an outbreak of war.

So, what do you think will happen to the hostages in Gaza should Israel withdraw without Hamas agreeing a ceasefire? My opinion is, more will die as Hamas won't release them.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232239#Comment_122232239

How is Israel bombing Gaza a week earlier qualifying as quiet? And the use of unlawful and lethal force against protestors a month earlier again?

How is the illegal settling of more land in the previous 2 months than the preceding 4 decades considered quiet and peaceful.

It is shameful, head in the sand denial of Israel and its governments inhumane treatment of Palestinians and it's crimes against them.

Israels leaders has not cared one but about hostages. If they did, they would not be causing the endless destruction of both human lives and every structure going

carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232239#Comment_122232239

Israel has basically reached the status of a terrorist state at this stage. Any country which fails to uphold international law and engage in wholesale slaughter of civilians deserves the classification of terrorist state in my opinion. An entire people subjugated and dispossessed since 1948, with a large number corralled into a concentration camp in Gaza - a lull in the 76 year struggle and you refer to it as "quiet" as if it was normal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232324#Comment_122232324

They have a border with Egypt, that Egypt have closed, are Egypt complicit?

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232783#Comment_122232783

Complicit in what? Genocide, mass starvation, bombing schools, hospitals, refugee camps?

Egypt have a land border with Gaza, the same border that 2 Egyptian soldiers were killed by IDF fire. I wonder why they have it closed? Egypt is under no obligations under international law to have open borders with Gaza. Gaza have a access to the sea, unfortunately Israel has blockaded that for decades.

Why is the go to for people to ignore all the borders Israel have closed in Gaza and also the naval blockade and point out, oh Egypt is bad?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232811#Comment_122232811

Right, you don't want the refugees to go their because that would alleviate the suffering and civilian casualties. You prefer to keep the pressure on Israel. Because this is a war about the Jews. So we can stop pretending to care about Gazans, when you have a Muslim country next door that won't let them in. Not only that, but they have tunnels underneath to supply Hamas more weapons and to hide their hostages. Very interesting that, I think in that way to its supporters, death and suffering of Gazans is justified. Where to another normal westener they would open the border to their neighbours. Many wars going on in the world, I think this one is so popular because people have finally a good reason to hate on the Jews publically. Where the rest of Europe are very weary of doing such a thing, for obvious reasons. And by the way, Europe had no problem opening it's border to ukrainians taking in at least a quarter of the population. And Egypt can't do this because they are afraid of one or two of its border guards dying, give me a break. It's a subversive war against the jews, back by its supporters.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232324#Comment_122232324

You can easily find videos of what life was like there before this war, it definitely wasn't anything like a "concentration camp". To call it such is just ridiculous hyperbole.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232898#Comment_122232898

You're deflecting. There's a country committing war crimes daily and being investigated for genocide, but look over there at Egypt.

Is that the argument? Israel are forced to commit war crimes, bomb schools, hospitals and refugee camps because…. let me check notes…. Egypt wont allow Gazans into Egypt?

Seeing as how you mention Ukraine, is Russia somehow justified or absolved of all their war crimes because European countries opened their arms to Ukrainians? Those Ukrainian civilians who die each day due to Russian bombs should have left Ukraine? It's their fault they died?

Jack Daw

Thomas Hand really is a lunatic, I thought so when I saw his ridiculous reaction to finding out his daughter had been kidnapped but gave him the benefit of the doubt but today confirmed it.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232898#Comment_122232898

Have you nothing to offer outside this threadbare "war against the jews" trope?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232951#Comment_122232951

Hamas are aligned with Russia. And Ukraine are aligned with Israel. Hamas are backed by Iran, Russia, Egypt, China, north korea, turkey, south Africa, Nicaragua etc. Israel is backed by USA (Biden), Germany, Uk and most of the western world. Ireland is confused in this because its government thinks it's the same situation we had here in the past when in fact, it's not.

How do you defeat an enemy who hinds behind the public? And without inflicting civilian casualties. There's no sofisicated weaponry that could do that. Most large scale wars have large civilian casualties, especially when fought in high density areas. If a large chunk of those civilians could go to Egypt, then the rate of civilian casualties would fall. If for whatever reason, Gazans want to stay and have Hamas members stay in their homes, in their schools, in their hospitals. Can you act surprised when they get targeted.

The Ukraine and Russia war is different geo polically. And most of the war is taking part in trenches out in the fields. Usually civilians are evacuated from towns as the war intensifies. Generally Ukraine army don't occupy people's homes that they sleep in, like Hamas do. But hamas is a terrorist organisation, and don't have any moral standards. To hamas, Gazan lives are cheap. It wants them to die so that they can run their PR campaign abroad. That's heavily sponsored by neighbouring countries, who also want to see Israel's name dragged through the mud.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233044#Comment_122233044

See again you're deflecting away from war crimes Israel are committing with an excuse of geopolitics and civilians not moving out of the way of bombs.

There is sophisticated weaponry, Israel demonstrated they could take out a major target without killing scores of innocent civilians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_airstrike_on_the_Iranian_consulate_in_Damascus

Israel choose to drop unguided 2000lb bombs on Gaza. There's zero reason for that unless you want the maximum destruction.

A more densely populated city (even after evacuation) with a terrorist group using human shields and still less civilian deaths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_%282016%E2%80%932017%29

It can be done, Israel chooses not to. They choose to cause the most innocent civilian damage possible.

sock.rocker*

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carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232783#Comment_122232783

No. Egypt are not complicit. But interestingly you state in another post that Egypt supports Hamas -you seem to be a very disingenuous poster

carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122232898#Comment_122232898

Egypt opening their borders to the IDF controlled Gaza border would result in the expulsion of the entire population of Gaza into refugee camps inside Egypt under the guise of voluntary relocation but in reality fleeing even more intensive Israeli bombardment forcing them over a border that is suddenly unguarded by the IDF or even more cynically described as humanitarian relief by IDF (Israeli extensive propaganda machine would be on steroids). Displaced Palestinians in neighbouring countries have not been allowed the right of return going back generations at this stage.

So no Egypt won't facilitate Israels attempt at ethnic cleansing - unfortunately Israel will have to continue to get blood on its hands to achieve its evil aims against the Palestinian people

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233254#Comment_122233254

You're using gazans as a pawn in your war. You have zero interest in the well being of Gazans. The egypt border is closed, no aid in and no Gazans can cross. And you couldn't care less.

carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233044#Comment_122233044

So you support the ethic cleansing of Gaza "if a large chunk of those civilians could go to Egypt, then the civilian casualties would fall" - I think you must have attended your first class of ethnic cleansing 101. Scary stuff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233267#Comment_122233267

You don't know what ethnic cleansing means, if a portion of the population move to another country temporarily, that's not ethnic cleansing. The majority would still be in Gaza, the culture and traditions are not been wiped out.

halkar

The only goal Israel has is to anex Gaza. Who lives who dies they don't care. They will force out majority of Palestinian to neighbouring countries or West Bank one way or other. The ones left will live in refugee camps in Rafah where they will turn it in to concentration camps with their tight controls while Israelis partying on Gaza beaches.

carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233263#Comment_122233263

You are a very disingenuous poster with multiple strawman and outright lies. But I know also realise you actually dont know what youre talking about so im less inclined to debate with you now - disappointing!

carfinder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233299#Comment_122233299

Haha, I think you actually believe it would be temporary. Those who are foolish enough not to learn from history...

nacho libre

4 Israeli hostages were freed in an operation inside a refugeee camp. I see the BBC has confirmed it.

Balagan1

Four hostages rescued alive.

myfreespirit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122234015#Comment_122234015

Delighted to hear this. According to reports, they are all in "good medical condition", and have been brought to hospital for further assessment.

At last, some good news, amidst the horror of war.

sock.rocker*

Good news.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122233299#Comment_122233299

what’s temporary?

Most of the refugee camps in Gaza are decades old, the refugees living in them for decades because of “temporary displacement” and no right of return

Pull another.

sock.rocker*

https://archive.is/GQG3F

That article about the torture methods Israel is using is harrowing.

riffmongous

Some good news, 4 hostages rescued. Seem there were civilian casualties too though unfortunately

Ten of Swords

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