Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447703#Comment_122447703

I also know quite a few and the majority would not identify themselves as Zionists.

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447566#Comment_122447566

Valid points. I'd still pick this over the indiscriminate bombings of innocents…

nacho libre

While you're right Ismail is no loss to the world.

What if a politican is a terrorist in the eyes of people? Are they fair game. Would the British have been entitled to kill Irgun leaders who went on to become political leaders in the early state of Israel. To many the current political leadership in Israel are terrorists- one is actually a convicted terrorist who excuses the sexual abuse of detainees. Another advocated for turning Gaza into a parking lot and expelling Palestinians from Gaza.

Then you have Bibi who could be charged with war crimes.  Do you see the problem in this position doejohn. This is what Donald Trump is getting at. In choosing one particular side and doubling down you are deciding who gets to be killed and international law doesn't matter because it's your side doing it. International law should apply to everyone , otherwise there are no principles, it's a case of might makes right. With this in mind we know some posters would be protesting if someone from the Israeli government was killed in a missile strike. The perpetrator may claim they killed a terrorist from their perspective who has presided over an illegal occupation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122447922#Comment_122447922

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448263#Comment_122448263

That would be fine, but Israel is also using the fear of a warhead to terrorise hundreds of thousands of Gazans at the moment too, do you think that's right?

thatsdaft

Delete post, thread is a whataboutery dead end

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448263#Comment_122448263

emmmmmm. nobody is justifying anything. But if you support in principle the right of one state to extra-territoriality assassinate a political leader that it designates as a terrorist, then in the absence of hypocrisy, that should not matter to you whether the protagonist is Israel assassinating someone in Iran or Russia assassinating their terrorist in Germany.

You see, I think both are wrong. You have given your opinion that you think one is correct, but are reacting uncomfortably to the analogy being pointed out.

In the current circumstances it is quite dangerous and inflammatory. The person killed was a political chief and negotiator. At a time when sides are ostensibly in negotiations. Which will affect the lives and deaths of many people. And the territory attacked belonged to a third state which could also get dragged into the conflict. But you want to have your opportunity to make your (frankly racist) quips about 72 virgins. So the risk makes it worth it for you.

thatsdaft

Delete post, thread is a whataboutery dead end

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448355#Comment_122448355

Ironically, Palestine is state party to the ICC. Israel (and, coincidentally it's compadre Russia) are not.

Are you advocating for a two-state solution whereby Palestine is given freedom to be recognised fully as a state in its own right with the ability to sign up to international agreements? They are somewhat limited in what they can do under the current status quo

riffmongous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448370#Comment_122448370

Oh but it's not whataboutery at all, it's legitimate pointing out of hypocrisy. I mean you clearly realised that and deleted your post.

And tbh it makes me question exactly why a lot of people who claim to support Ukraine really do.. and how deep their concern really is, since it seems some tend to have no problem with russian terror tactics themselves, it's just that they are being done by the Russians. Because these people can't be trusted in the long run.

engineerws

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/31/israel-subjecting-palestinian-detainees-to-torture-and-abuse-un-report

The 23-page report, released on Wednesday, noted allegations of widespread abuse of prisoners being held incommunicado in arbitrary, prolonged detention. It was published during a tense standoff in Israel as far-right politicians and demonstrators opposed an investigation into alleged sexual abuse of detainees by soldiers.

It seems the UN does not support the right of Israeli's to rape their prisoners.

TheValeyard

Will be an interesting 48 hours. Id be thinking we are heading to a much wider regional war.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122448223#Comment_122448223

But Israel are still doing that too. And this move has killed off any chance of a ceasefire which he had been heavily involved in negotiating, which is precisely their intent and it will inevitably lead to many many more civilian deaths.