Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Balagan1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459707#Comment_122459707

You've been away for a while, I guess.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122459707#Comment_122459707

why would they when america is backing them to the hilt

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

If you drop a 2,000 bomb on a densly packed area then it's murder. No disputing that at all. Stop with trying to lessen Israel's actions.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

Anyone with half a brain can see that militarily the Idf and specifically the Israeli Airforce could carpet bomb gaza and wipe the slate clean.

Sure by that logic, there was no genocide in WWII. I mean, given the Nazis had all the people rounded up in camps at their mercy and still didn't kill all of them. Is that the standard applicable now? Or is it the case that your "logic" is only "logic" when it suits you?

Given they didn't "wipe the slate clean"? (to mirror your disgusting use of the phrase)

You have a strange mix of posts on here. Between admiration for things the British army did in the past, and support of IDF atrocities. There are certain estates of people up North who would wholeheartedly agree with you. I'd say they'd also be flying your profile flag too. You are entitled to have your view

tayto lover

Bibi the war criminal is some chancer. He's sending a delegation to peace talks in Cairo while trying his best to start a regional war. Talking out of both sides of his mouth is nothing new but expecting people to believe his bull**** is overdoing it.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122458511#Comment_122458511

i'm well aware of what a modern nuclear bomb can do, and israel's capabilities.
the reality is israel doesn't have enough to wipe out the whole middle east regardlesss of what it claims and the IDF are for the most part an incapable fighting force so chances are high israel would blow themselves up rather then fire a nuke correctly at iran or wherever.
china and russia also have allies in the middle east and if china's capabilities are to be believed they could have israel destroyed before they could even fire a nuke, assuming they would want to protect their allies there.
israel have murdered 40000 civilians, this is established fact, they have also raped hundreds of thousands of civilians in gaza and their own prisons, palistinian prisoners are subject to rape as a matter of course.
israel are guilty of genocide, they don't need to completely carpet bomb an area to be guilty and in reality they are doing that anyway and have been on and off for decades.
however israel would need to have the capabilities to carry out multiple times the carpet bombing they are to completely eradicate the palestinian population and they don't have the weaponry and capabilities to do that.
israel have shown they don't care about civilians, they don't even care about their own hostages and not forgetting those the IDF killed on october 7th as part of the hannible directive.
israel are a genocidal, racist, apartheid state who colonise, land grab, slaughter civilians deliberately and enjoy it, weaponise the holocost, use antisemitism as a weapon, use the americans as a credit card while being completely ungreatful, and much much more.
gaza is a success because the idea is to eradicate the palestinian population eventually, however in reality it's a failure as israel have lost a hell of a lot of soldiers and many of the hostages haven't survived, the remaining hostages are likely dead also unfortunately.

boetstark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

But apart from that you think they are OK 👍

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

Well where can you start answering a piece like that? 'Israel has raped hundreds of thousands " .. not even the Gazans or Hamas are claiming that, but some Irish person is on a forum.. amd gets 3 likes lol..

'40,000 murdered? ' Again Hamas ministry of Information isn't even claiming nonsense like that. ..and the rest isn't much better. It's emotionally juvenile stuff.

Do you really think China and Russia give a fiddlers about Gaza or Iran? Or would risk American intervention ...Israel need to continue how they are. They are doing a good job if the Irish left are wailing. When's the next pro Hamas march in Dublin..? They are becoming less fashionable every time

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460301#Comment_122460301

israel are not remotely trying to eradicate the palestinian people simply resolving those who carried out the 7th October massacres

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460844#Comment_122460844

Why is Israel - as you descriibed it the "beacon of hope" in the middle east - colonising territories outside it's internationally recognised borders?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460891#Comment_122460891

You are wasting your time with that poster as he's on the wind-up. He simply couldn't believe the drivel he's posting.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460890#Comment_122460890

Well those mostly responsible are reportedly not in Gaza. So why have they destroyed it, killed just shy 40,000 people with an estimated 25-30k if them beong women and chikdren and the vast majority non combatants and why have they deliberately destroyed over 30.hospitals?

Why does a country with reportedly some of the best intelligence and the ability for precision strikes that we have seen lately, and a storied history of using its intelligence agents to conduct assassinations of high profile "enemies"(using Irish passports too) resort to using 500lb and 2000lb dumb bombs and destroy nearly all civilian infrastructure?

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461020#Comment_122461020

"On 7 October 2023, Hamas and several other Palestinian militant groups launched coordinated armed incursions from the Gaza Strip into the Gaza Envelope of southern Israel, the first invasion of Israeli territory since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. The attack coincided with the Jewish religious holiday Simchat Torah."

why did hamas kill the biggest number of jews since WW2 triggering the latest impasse

Weepsie

Becauase they're an abhorrent terrorist organisation. That's easy to answer.

It doesn't answer why Israel has done what it has since, or it's decades of colonisation, internment, "settling", making refugees of millions of people, why it prohibits some of the most basic of products into Gaza, why it bombed children playing on a beach.

Hell why did Israel send a gun Helicopter in Gaza 2 weeks priort to octer 7 and launch a few missiles strikes. Why did it use lethal force against protestors in August? Why did Israeli police raid a refugee camp in the west bank several times in June and July to simply terrorise those 1000s forced to live there having been forced out of their homes..

So....do you have an answer why Israels government, why a democratic country behaves like that? Because there's absolutely no good reason.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460890#Comment_122460890

israel are trying to eradicate the palestinian people so as to steal their land and expand the state of israel, and it won't stop at the palistinian territories but will spread to their other neighbours.

in fact israel stole territory from it's neighbours in the past to try and expand it's state, the americans forcing them to hand some of it back however they still have the syrian golon heights.

israel don't actually want to get rid of hamas as hamas is a proxy force of israel as israel fund them and created them so as to destroy the PLO.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461078#Comment_122461078

because israel engage in apartheid, racism, colonisation, land theft, genocide, mass slaughter and mass rape of civilians, and much much more.

the poorly armed militants were only able to carry out the october 7th attack because israel opened the borders.

combat14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122461695#Comment_122461695

iranian backed terrorist groups like hamas, hezbollah, houthis are far from poorly armed

Francie Barrett

https://twitter.com/RachelMoiselle/status/1819470096617951491

Sickening scenes in Dublin yesterday. I never thought I would see the day when Irish people were out supporting Islamic terror groups.

There is a serious anti-Semitism problem in Ireland.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462251#Comment_122462251

I'm sure there were the obligatory pride flags aswell tbf. Those are my favourite to see at Palestinian marches. Shows just how incredibly thick some attendees are you have to pity them and wonder how no one is minding them.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462251#Comment_122462251

People are supporting Israel too, a country engaged in terrorism on a state level even using Irish passports in the past to do so.

Anyway, while that is disappointing to see, it's what 2 flags and 2-4 people with them. The same person tries to dress up a few hundred more walking peacefully clearly holding Palestine flags and nothing else as supporting terror.

There was a march and vigil arranged. These people are assembled away from where the vigil was actually taking place and are doing the protest a complete disservice.

There is no problem with antisemitism in Ireland. Try harder. It's the laziest ,weakest **** argument.

Weepsie

There are people in this thread who keep saying Ireland has an antisemitism problem, because they can't get it into their skulls that criticism of the heinous war crimes of Israel does not equal antisemitiic.

Maby of these same people are busy saying Ireland is full elsewhere on this site and demonizing and dehumanizing immigrants. There's a problem of rising hate and xenophobia

There are no doubt antisemitism but is not an Irish problem, not by a long shot and it's the lazy argument of those who can't engage or won't engage

WEST

Those posters are just trolling at this stage. Protesting against Israel is described at 'sickening', yet no comment is made on the death of 10's of 1000's of civilains in Gaza, rape of prisioners and many more crimes. Israel is a terrorist state and it deserves all the criticism it receives.

PeggyShippen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122460891#Comment_122460891

Israel is a 'beacon of hope" for a whole variety of reasons.

Firstly it's a Democracy surrounded by kingdoms and corrupt dictatorships. They made great country iout of very little

2. It is secular and people are free to worship whatever religion they want. There's a vibrant Christian population, a large Muslim minority, the Bahi religion is based in Haifa.

3. It protects Jerusalem..a centre of the 3 main religions. It allows me to visit whenever I want .

4. Israel is a technological marvel and agricultural leader . It's entrepreneurial outlook is an example to the region. It has no oil but shows how am infertile country can still progress.

5. It's military is a juggernaut with weapons technology it exports worldwide. The bedwetters in Ireland won't like this one as they'd like to see Israel and the West disarmed. So they lead in military development..thats huge.

6. It's a very fun place to visit...a great nightlife, great food and by God the people are interesting. Some unbelievable looking women and I suppose men, extremely confident amd up for a laugh...never seem to have the standoffishness of average looking Irish people with notions of themselves. Have ye ever met or hung out with Israelis properly.. A very open ,intelligent and pluralistic bunch.

WEST

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

That post is comedy gold 😆, in reply to point 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z581dbGqr08

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

Having a juggernaut military is the exact opposite of being a beacon of hope.

Beirut is famous for it vibrant nightlife. Iran, let's set aside its government, as you seem to be doing that with Israel, has a.population of incredibly warm and welcoming and generous people. Again, famous for it. Horrible government though, much like Israel in that respect.

I wonder why I have family who were repeatedly harassed and then finally assaulted when visiting Israel simply due to them being an easy target by officials because they were a woman travelling alone?

Why is there at any given time pre October 7, a minimum of 4500 Palestinians in prison without clear charges.

Why do 95% of Palestinian women in Israeli prisons reports some sort of sexual violence committed against them by officers?

I've been abroad with Israelis. Incredibly rude, arrogant, and treated staff and such like dirt. Now I've seen the same from plenty of Irish, English and a a few others, but the point your making is nonsense really.

Do you have anything to say about the 10,000s of settlers who are there illegally having taken the homes of muktitudes more Palestinians? Do you condemn that at all?

Israel protects Jerusalem? The Jerusalem they routinely demolish homes and force it's residents to live in refugee camps. Freedom to practice your faith only goes so far.

Israel, controls all the natural resources of Israel and Palestine, rationing water to Gaza, shooting at fishing boats, patrolling international waters it actually has no right to, and certainly no right from stopping Gazan fishermen into. In has annexed so much agricultural land that never was to belong to Israel that it "the agricultural marvel" is sort.of built on the blood of Palestinians and Syrians too

Why wouldn't Israelis be confident. They can do whatever the **** they want treat people like scum and laugh about it after.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

Simple. When you treat your neighbours like dirt you get that kind of response. Neither being right of course.

Weepsie

Isrsel has no oil, but it has in the last 25 years become and increasingly large player on the gas market.

The biggest gas field however is in Gazan water. Israel has in the last year granted licences to explore and potentially drill this field. Something for which they have no claim to whatsoever.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462251#Comment_122462251

presumably you have sufficient evidence to support your claim that those out on the streets yesterday support islamic terrorism and islamic terror groups? if so have you reported this to the gardai seeing as they would be committing a criminal offense as it's illegal to support a terrorist group?

there is no big problem with antisemitism in ireland, of course there are antisemites but the majority of those out yesterday are not antisemetic.

screaching antisemite/antisemetic to justify and excuse israel's crimes does not work any more.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

israel is not a full democracy and is not secular.
yes israel is a player in technology but other players just as advanced are coming on stream.
israel's military rely on billions of aid and weaponry from the US, yes it provides some help in terms of producing those weapons via information/science ETC and it produces some weaponry under license from US manufacturers which it then exports as the US use it as a proxy.
but ultimately the US are the ones upholding it's military and it's military exports.

Odhinn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122462404#Comment_122462404

~~It also has legalised torture, runs an apartheid regime in the occupied territories, has a cabinet that actually has to debate whether anal rape of a prisoner is a crime etc.

Why is Israel building colonies outside its internationally recognised borders?