Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252941#Comment_121252941

Why make such a claim

fits

motaz Azaiza is in Gaza and has footage of the hospital attack on his Instagram account.

Beechwoodspark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252956#Comment_121252956

Hopefully the ordinary Gazans rise up against Hamas after this horrendous misfire incident, and hand the terrorists over to Israel, along with the hostages, and then call for ceasefire negotiations.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252958#Comment_121252958

You are the poster who claimed a dead Palestinian child was a doll.

Show some compassion for the victims rather than dismissing the death and suffering of innocent men, women and children.

Nermal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252959#Comment_121252959

Our own media outlets bear a lot of responsibility here. Articles based on statements from Hamas routinely disguise their source.

Closing an investigation before it's even open.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1714536639232712882

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252956#Comment_121252956

If it’s shown to be coming from within Gaza, I still don’t think the people will want to believe it - in addition they won’t be watching the same news as we do in the west- so very hard to convince them otherwise- that’s assuming it wasn’t Israel of course which were still awaiting news on.

Given it’s taken this long at this stage I’m not convinced we’ll get a definitive independent view or account of what really happened - I think this will become a Hamas did it/Israel did it argument

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252976#Comment_121252976

It was a doll in the video,

How many claims have you alone made on this thread denials after denials,

And Here we are again

TheValeyard

Evidence is mounting against Islamic Jihad

Cato the Elder

Regardless of who is responsible, it's remarkable watching people who support the bombing of Gaza in general be so adamantly sure that any specific bombings like at the border post or hospital were done by Hamas. They cannot own any bomb that shows what bombs do to people because regardless of their politics, they deep down know it's wrong.

Furthermore, I consider that Carthage must be destroyed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252962#Comment_121252962

Well, if they would, all the more reason for Israel to bomb it.

realdanbreen

There is a fairly modern expression that many people loathe, " we are where we are". I think it is one of the best and most apt expressions ever. If nations and people put aside their greed, pride and ancient religious beliefs and accepted "we are where we are" then a lot of current conflicts would cease and people could move on with their lives.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252989#Comment_121252989

Even if all the evidence points to Islamic Jihad causing this atrocity, that evidence will be completely ignored so that Israel is squarely blamed.

It's the old Goebellian tactic, to repeat a lie over and over again and people will eventually believe it.

muob

What Israel have done over the past 11 days in Gaza is totally unforgiveable its blatant war criminality.

Bombing innocent women, children, wiping out entire families, cutting off vital water 💧 supplies, cutting off power, refusing to allow aid corridors, deliberately bombing the possible humanitarian crossing at Egypt so that it is unusable and ordering 1.1Mn to leave their homes and cram themselves in with another 1Mn in an already overcrowded unsafe zone & then in turn bombing that. Bombing a hospital and then having the absolute nerve to try pinning the blame on groups who clearly did not do it ( lies ...deleted more lies ...deleted... give us more time to make up more stories so we are not held accountable for this 😫 🤒)

It's a SAD SAD time for HUMANITY.

Forever I shall hold ISRAEL and any American UK, EU Government heads - who offer their " ironclad " support - responsible for this sorrowful mess. Thankfully Leo V Martin and Higgins had the backbone to call this for what it is .....

'Collective Punishment Massacre'

Defending yourself does not mean massacre of innocent civilians NO WAY ! Not buying that they were just looking for an excuse to invade and terrorise people they have oppressed x 17 years.

Shame on You Israel

And Any One Supporting Your so-called War on Innocents.

hydrus21

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714525133799342530

If that was a missile strike, where's the hole in the ground ?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121253003#Comment_121253003

It's nothing but a points scoring game to some people,they make false claims then blame anyone but themselves,

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121253012#Comment_121253012

Which is consistent with the footage that the IDF released.

It's always worth asking the question, Cui bono? - in other words, who has more to gain from such an attack - Hamas or Israel?

The answer to that question is clear.

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714513625598021868

hydrus21

Hard to believe " 500 dead " in that car park.

Maybe if it had been a market place.

NIMAN

A lot of the images are only showing damage to a car parking area, and not a very extensive area at that.

Unless the 500 people were standing in the car park, how did so many die?

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252956#Comment_121252956

20 years of Hamas savagery against its own hasn't.

ArthurDayne

You cannot help but feel that the whodunnit about the hospital is obfuscating the key point here — regardless of whose immediate fault the bombing is, what else did the Israelis expect to happen from this operation? Did they really think that things like this were not inevitable?

They have made a huge strategic error with this conflict. On 7th October, only entrenchment or bias could have prevented you from finding sympathy with the Israelis. But rather than take the opportunity to hold the pen on the narrative, allow sympathy to build as the horrors of that day were re-told, barely a day had passed before they threw the initiative away and created a new tragedy for the world to focus on.

And for what? To destroy Hamas at the expense of even worse outcomes for themselves and the wider world, just as the Americans did when they destroyed the Taliban — until the Taliban returned of course. And yes, they'll explain how it wasn't them re the hospital. They will explain that it was Islamic Jihad. They will explain and explain and explain. But as the saying goes — if you're explaining, you're losing.

Nermal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121253043#Comment_121253043

The source for the figure of 500 is Hamas. This has just been buried in the articles you have read, either by the use of unreferenced statements in quotation marks, attribution to the 'Health Ministry' of Gaza or 'Gaza Authorities', or simply hiding the source altogether.

It is of course entirely possible that 500 people or more did die. But the reporting, even in supposed high-quality media outlets, is really poor.

Jinglejangle69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121253029#Comment_121253029

Like yourself.

KilOit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252956#Comment_121252956

One can hope

StrawbsM

Are there not hundreds of satellites up in the sky that, right now, would be honed in on the land in that part of the world?

Why aren’t we seeing satellite pictures of where rockets/missiles are launched from and where they land?

Danzy

There is unbroken windows in the cars near the so called blast site

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252991#Comment_121252991

An admission that you still believe debunked Israeli disinformation.

https://m.thewire.in/article/world/fact-check-israel-govt-falsely-claims-photos-of-slain-4-year-old-in-gaza-are-of-a-doll/amp

Northernlily

I'll admit the Sky/Al Jazeera images got me last night as I had it on in the background as I was working. Kids were blown to bits.Them images hurt and are images we have seen before in 2014 and many years before.

The Israeli regime are scumbags and I am not going to be made feel guilty this morning about jumping to conclusions yesterday evening by people actively trying to downplay the atrocities being carried out in Gaza. They talk about being "level headed" but they know what they are at. It is downplaying marked in a very succinct and discreet style. Not just this "alledged" atrocity, but other atrocities also.

Israel have form at this thing. Firing missiles at innocents. So forgive me for believing they may have done it again. Maybe they have - we will never know as the PR machine is strong this morning.

onlymeself

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121252991#Comment_121252991

It was not a doll, it was four year old Omar Bilal Al-Banna. But you already knew that because it's been explained to you many times and you keep ignoring it because it doesn't suit you and you refuse to admit you posted something so horrible. There were photos of the family outside the morgue after the video and more photos were found of the family later. The area that family live in was bombed and there couldn't be more evidence to prove it was their child that was killed. His brother is still in hospital.

If you would like to see more photos of his dead body then scroll down to the other photo in the morgue showing his face more clearly.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/world/story/real-story-four-year-old-omar-gaza-palestine-whose-death-doll-video-pictures-israel-hamas-war-2450299-2023-10-17

Ash.J.Williams

Peak bullshit today