Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365516#Comment_121365516

As is so often the case with this kind of misdirection propaganda, this is totally false and has been quite easily debunked but that hasn’t stopped it being shared widely.

That truck was vandalised months ago, it has nothing to do with who the owners were, and there are photos of it abandoned there dating back well before this conflict. It takes about 5 seconds of research to confirm this.

There is no evidence I could find of any list of Jewish companies that this coffee chain appeared on either, outside of one article in a right wing newspaper that makes this claim without specifying a source.

I really struggle to understand the sort of distorted world view that leads someone to be more concerned about imaginary petty vandalism than they are about thousands of actual real children being murdered.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365516#Comment_121365516

That woman should point to antisemitist attacks in Ireland if she wants to say Irish people are happy about it. All I see is a Canadian pointing at Canadians and bringing in Ireland for some reason.

Like half the posters here who think there are Hamas supporters everywhere, she should deal with reality instead and see that empathy for a population does not mean support for its leader's actions, and criticism of a government's actions does not mean criticism of its people.

We've been through this a million times but people purposefully flush their self-respect down the toilet and continue to pretend there is antisemitism and Hamas support everywhere.

Criticism of civilian deaths in wars such as Iraq only brought out accusation of supporting Al Qaeda from the most bottom of the barrel flagtotin' inbred hillbilly fukheads but now it's somehow acceptable to do the same thing with Israel.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365583#Comment_121365583

Well, to clarify there's instances of it everywhere, but it is far far from everything and everyone critical of Israel.

There's IRL trolls in the UK (PBS reporting above, 'tensions rise in UK') that sow division, those are the pro Hamas types, trolls dancing for violence and reactions on tiktok or whatever video platform.

Sir_Name

Facing State Dept dissent over Gaza, Blinken tells staff: We're listening | Reuters

More internal calls for ceasefire within the US.

Israel says it raised $8 billion of debt since start of war with Hamas | Reuters

Secondly, Israel will have to hope for a short rather than long war as it debt increases and ccy devalues.

brickster69

IDF found a basement flat under a hospital, complete with a toilet, chairs and small kitchen.

https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/1724164040304234555

brickster69

More footage

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1724169252054188276

blackcard

I certainly don't believe Hamas statements or IDF spokesmen. I don't believe the politicians involved. I don't believe a lot of the videos releases nor some of the UN people.

Who I do trust in mostly are Channel 4, the BBC, Reuters, Sky News, Doctors without borders. Obviously if any of these quote an IDF or Hamas spokesmen, it is to be taken with a graIn of salt

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121364312#Comment_121364312

"effectively hostages"????? Now who is engaged in a false propaganda exercise?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121364575#Comment_121364575

Not the same thing as calling for the unconditional release of the hostages. IF you are calling for a hostage swap, you are effectively condoning the Hamas war crimes.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365771#Comment_121365771

And zero footage of tunnels or command bunkers. I was expecting to see a hidden tunnel entrance a block away and they would walk through and appear in a bunker under the hospital or a concealed entrance etc...

People pointing out in the comments, the hostage watchlist is actually a calendar with days of the week.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365834#Comment_121365834

Bit of a stretch to say that supporting a swap means you condone whatever actions were taken up to that point. Is paying money for a hostage also condoning their capture?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365839#Comment_121365839

One is a war crime, one is not.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121364818#Comment_121364818

How can they do that while the political leaders who fund the military wing remain untouched in Qatar? Leaving that aside, as Yitzshak Rabin realised, you can't defeat an ideology through purely military means. Hamas will be severely weakened, but they will,or some offshoot of them , rise again

Do you really believe in the absent of a political solution Israel will have complete security after the war ends for years to come? If you are truly pro "securing the region " you should be pushing for the end of Bibi alongside Hamas, and you should be hoping moderates on both sides take over, If not the region will never be truly secure and there will be another war at some stage along the line.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365577#Comment_121365577

When you are deeply wedded to an ideology you tend to double down and as a consequence will defend things you really shouldn't. This is why some people can identify a monster on one side, but defend one whose views align with their own. Also to justify heinous crimes its easier if you view the other as lesser people whose lives don't hold the same value. This is something Hamas and the far right racists in Israel have in common.

blackcard

This is what I believe

* The Hamas attack on 7/10 was a horrendous attack.

* Hamas have headquarters in the vicinity of some hospitals

*The IDF are carrying out certain indiscriminate attacks resulting in many civilian deaths.

* There are serious humanitarian issues associated with people having to evacuate their homes as a result of Israeli actions

* Hamas should release their hostages

* From a situation in 1917 where the population was 90% Arabic, the Palestinians have been screwed over

* The Jews have been one of the most discriminated races in history

* Jewish settlements in the West Bank are totally illegal.

A 2 state solution is the only option for a peaceful solution

blanch152

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/1114/1416347-gaza-israel-hamas/

I am still struggling to understand what is preventing Israeli tanks from taking over the hospital. Hamas keep telling us that there are no soldiers, there is no military complex, there is no military in the hospital, but somebody is firing on the Israelis and preventing them from taking over the hospital.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366170#Comment_121366170

Maybe they wont take it over because then they would have to show the world that great big command centre that's underneath it.

Fuascailteoir

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366170#Comment_121366170

I am struggling to understand why they are using snipers to shoot people inside the hospital including a paraplegic man in a hospital bed

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366207#Comment_121366207

That doesn't explain who is shooting at them, unless you think that IDF is fighting itself..........oh wait, I've probably started off another conspiracy theory.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366170#Comment_121366170

Link to where Hamas are shooting at Israeli soldiers from the Al Shifa hospital? Israel are happy to let these surrounded hospitals cease to function. It is clear they are targeting hospitals. Even Biden can see that. Two thirds of the medical facilities in Gaza have ceased operations. It's part of the collective punishment. Meanwhile the IDF continue to bomb relentlessly, North and South. 11,000 civilians dead.

tayto lover

I wonder if the IDF will now blow a huge hole in the basement of the hospital and say '' there's the evidence of the tunnel ''? And then what? What will be their next target?

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366170#Comment_121366170

Nothing in that article suggests there is anyone firing at the Israelis.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366271#Comment_121366271

They will fill the hole with arms if they can't find any.

Donald Trump

The IDF have encircled an area, and have spent the last few weeks closing that loop and pushing people within in towards the centre.

Will they find some lad with a rifle close to a hospital - more than likely. Because if he wasn't there before, they've surely herded him towards it by this.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365903#Comment_121365903

Bibi is gone once the war is over, Gallant will likely be his replacement.

A 2 state solution is over. Can't see any Israeli govt allowing it or the Israeli people allowing their govt to even suggest it.

To have societies in a state on either side of them where there is a constant stream about all the differing people that must be killed, no society will tolerate that, especially a society like Israel which views itself as having self worth and having an onus on protecting its people from extermination.

Southern Gaza may be administered by others as some type of canton with Israel taking out extremists as needed.

Northern Gaza will likely be an military controlled empty buffer zone. The self administered Arab communities in Judea and Samaria,will probably continue as such.

This has a long way to go yet and Israel will likely be fighting a multi front war shortly.

The leadership of Hamas abroad will be killed eventually, hopefully their operatives across Europe will be killed as well, anyone involved in a Hamas linked org in an ideal world.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366350#Comment_121366350

I fully agree that Northern Gaza will be turned into a large buffer zone. It will be flattened. Removing the large hospitals is a major step in making it unlivable.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121365771#Comment_121365771

Check some of the replies. One guy who has worked installing lifts reckons the supposed "tunnel" is a regular lift shaft you would expect to see in any normal building (he identifies and describes the various pieces of electrical equipment in the shaft).

IDF are such pathological liars at this point that nothing they say can be taken at face value.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366373#Comment_121366373

There is no doubt it is all fu78ed up, regardless of the why or right or wrong.

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366170#Comment_121366170

Your link doesn’t mention Israeli soldiers being fired on from the hospital.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121366318#Comment_121366318

Aye and chuck a few copies of Mein Kampf in with them for good measure.