Hamas strike on Israel - Threadbans in op - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585286#Comment_121585286

I defend both Israel and Ukraine to the hilt for the same reasons. Both are relatively small countries surrounded by mortal enemies who are actively trying to wipe them out.

As for Israel, they tried to stay neutral on the Russo-Ukraine war because of the complex geopolitics closer to home, but with Russia getting more buddy-buddy with Iran, and Hamas having timed their attack to be on Putler's birthday, Israel's calculus will probably chance as regards Russia. Naturally, I don't know how that's going to manifest, only the Israelis can say that.

Now a question for you - do you believe that Ukraine should do whatever it has to in order to convince the Russians to go away and leave them alone?

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588368#Comment_121588368

Yes, because Ukraine had a long history of attacking Russia and were known to be constantly plotting to wipe them all out. And they had legions of Leftist bozos in the West chanting "From the Dnieper to the Pacific, Ukraine will be free."

Oh wait, that was Palestinians ...

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588368#Comment_121588368

Apart from the small difference of Ukrainians never attacking Russia, even voluntarily surrender their nukes in the 90's, and doing everything to keep the peace since then, yes, totally identical situations. Ffs.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588376#Comment_121588376

Bibi has expressed his admiration for Putin in the past. Putin got Bibi to call off strikes in Syria in the past. Hiding behind that it's a complex geo political situation is just a way of excusing Israel's lack of support for Ukraine. To answer your question:

I believe Ukraine should try to target the Russian elite through covert and overt operations, but if whatever it takes involves the reckless disregard for the lives of masses of civilians then no. They are little better than the Russian military if they start doing that.

If the IDF dropped a nuke on Gaza, would you be fine with that. I suspect you would because the logic of your position is they can take whatever course of action they deem necessary.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588224#Comment_121588224

Do you remember IRA terrorists living in the RoI bombing England? That's the same as Terrorists living in Lebanon attacking Israel.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588458#Comment_121588458

But the Russians have made it clear that their fight with Ukraine is a fight to the death. So, hypothetically speaking, is there any circumstance under which Ukraine should just surrender to Russians instead of killing them?

My answer is No. Ukraine should do literally whatever they have to in order to make the Russians go away.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588394#Comment_121588394

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588391#Comment_121588391

The brown three-year olds being blown to bits can't have more than 3 years history of attacking Israel though. They are mainly Muslims, not Buddhists, and so can't be accused of attacking Israel in a former life.

It really is amazing the cognitive dissonance that is seen on here every day. Russia does something and posters will easily agree they are wrong. Israel does the same thing and it's "nothing to see here. So what about those beheaded babies and rapes back a few months ago. There has been about 10 whole posts on thread since we last tried to deflect to them..what's that you say? Well hold on, you haven't organised a march to protest to Mongolia about Genghis Khan so that proves you are antisemitic".

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588249#Comment_121588249

So you can't refute the reports just choose to attack the sources?

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588312#Comment_121588312

Yeah, that woman waving a flag was a "mortal enemy" 🙄🤡

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588376#Comment_121588376

"I defend both Israel and Ukraine to the hilt for the same reasons. Both are relatively small countries surrounded by mortal enemies who are actively trying to wipe them out."

Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania and Moldova are trying to wipe Ukraine out?

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588312#Comment_121588312

Yes the Yanks are trying to encourage Israel towards a ceasefire so an escalation would help keep them onside with the Genocide. The Yanks would fall for it again too. Didn't we hear Netanyahu saying that it was easy to convince the US to stick with Israel.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587672#Comment_121587672

So did the woman shoot herself? By the way that's not war, it's murder.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588224#Comment_121588224

The poster didn't specify "RoI" - just Ireland.

I lived in London and the north west - not far from Warrington. Did you read about Tim Parry?

As far as British people were concerned (because it was was was trawled out every evening in the news) is that it was the IRA - IRISH. Or Ireland.

Of course, living here for 30+ years and learned the history, I know the nuances. But I can guarantee that a lot of British to this day equate the bombings in the UK to have been "the Irish".

And yes - the threat was constant for years. Being on the tube with a bag - you had to be very careful indeed...

But then you probably weren't there.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588489#Comment_121588489

The likelihood is the Ukraine war ends in a negotiated solution anyway, if by this time next year both side are essentially still engaging in world war 1 trench warfare with neither able to gain a decisive advantage.

If it was truly a fight to the death Russia would have no ceiling and use whatever was necessary to win regardless of the consequences , but they know they can't do so. Do you see how that can work both ways? It could work against Israel too. Suppose Gallant had his way and attacked Lebanon, would Lebanon have then been entitled to do whatever it takes to defeat Israel. You have set a dangerous precedent with your position, whereby any side claiming to be defending themselves are not bound by any international law in their prosecution of war

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588513#Comment_121588513

About a decade ago, Russia sent their little green men into Eastern Ukraine. They also annexed Crimea. From then until February 2022, there was continuous (mainly, but not exclusively) low-level engagement between Ukrainian army and Russian forces - proxy or otherwise. Russia says it was worried about the escalation of such attacks and sent their tanks across the border. They bombed civilian buildings such as theatres and butchered civilians in places like Bucha.

The Israelis have been stealing Palestinian land for decades. In response to an attack from a group they helped build up within Gaza, Israel have now invaded the small bit that the Palestinians are crammed into. They bombed civilian buildings such as apartment blocks and hospitals and have butchered civilians all across the territory.

The population of Ukraine is more than 20 times the population of Gaza. Pro-rated, that would equate to about 2 million kids being killed by Russians in Ukraine.

But, expert at playing the victim card, the zionists try to gaslight people into manufacturing themselves as analagous to Ukraine. It's laughable really. Ukraine was, and remains, more of a "threat" to Russia than Hamas were to Israel.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587570#Comment_121587570

Sure weren’t posters on here advocating surgical strikes against terrorist leaders hundreds of pages ago. Now that it’s happened it’s sinister.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588620#Comment_121588620

It is an attempt to escalate the 'war' and keep the US onside. The US are looking for a ceasefire and that would not suit the Israeli warmongers.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588195#Comment_121588195

No but it’s clearly not white v “brown” as you have suggested since the early days of this thread.

Again, notwithstanding your constant repetition of this nonsense point not one other poster on your side of the discussion uses it. Nor has your shrieking racism gained any traction.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588644#Comment_121588644

I think you'll find that I didn't use it either. Never ever mention colour.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588492#Comment_121588492

again with “brown” sigh. woeful.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588636#Comment_121588636

Surgical strikes against terrorist leaders not good now?

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588581#Comment_121588581

No, it's a fight to the death, and the Russians have already done everything but use Weapons of Mass Destruction. Any "negotiated settlement" will work about as well as the Munich Agreement did in 1938. The Russians have made it clear that Ukraine is just the beginning - Moldova is next, followed by the Baltic States and maybe Finland and Poland. Ukraine has two choices: kill as many Russians as possible or surrender. It is a total war, they have no other choice.

The only way Russia will back off is if their country collapses due to financial causes (which may happen due to the wars cost and financial sanctions) or if too many Russians are killed to continue Putler's expansionist dreams of carving up Europe. The only other choice is a Ukrainian surrender.

Israel faces the same issues: peace with Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc is not an option. And anyone claiming it is, either does not know what they're talking about or blowing smoke up your proverbial backside.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587756#Comment_121587756

No, it's closer (but not identical) to the Hamas attack, because even though Hezbollah are not the actual government, they do have significant political power in Lebanon, where they are considered as "a state within a state" https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hezbollah

There really is no equivalent in Irish politics, despite the determination of many posters on here to draw this sort of false equivalence.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588661#Comment_121588661

Any chance you would like to actually add anything of value?

It really touches a nerve with you doesn't it? Far too close to the bone for comfort.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588670#Comment_121588670

Its the timing. Its an attempt to escalate. Couldn't care less about the terrorist but that's not the point.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588492#Comment_121588492

There you go again with the "brown kids" argument. Maybe you should take it up with the government of Gaza. And you compared Ukraine with Palestinian terrorists ffs. And lets not forget it was your side that brought the Russo-Ukraine war into it.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588661#Comment_121588661

What did you think of the IDF shooting the woman with the white flag dead?

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121587418#Comment_121587418

Sorry, is there another clip showing them being forced to blame Hamas? What if they are being entirely honest and actually blaming Hamas? At one point they are asked whose fault is it - is that it?

If there is no evidence of these men being forced to blame Hamas why not believe them? Why would skull face on twitter know better?

There was a previous clip put up showing an old woman blaming Hamas on AJ and being cut short.

No doubt someone will be along shortly to put me right but on the basis of what I watched…

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588689#Comment_121588689

Well SeanW, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then it is a duck.

Or maybe you have a genuine reason why you can't tell us the secret justification why you don't care about the Palestinian kids as much you would as any other types of kids who would be getting murdered under the same circumstances. I don't think "trust me bro" is really good enough.

And it can't be that you haven't had time to make any posts..........You appear to be pretty much full-time posting on the thread.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121588683#Comment_121588683

lol.

name calling or hinting at racism doesn’t bother me because it’s nonsense. maybe it gets traction within your groups and you succeed in closing down debate. not here.

if it’s such a great point why does no one else on your side of the argument use it?