Arrest in Tina Satchwell disappearance case

MMAbhoy · 13-10-2023 12:51pm

What I dont understand is how there was no smell in the house? Was it because the body was covered in concrete?

I am with other posters here, a cadaver dog doing a scan of the house (*under open invite from Satchwell dont forget so need need for a warrant) would have put this whole case to bed years ago. Terrible situation for Tinas family and the ball has been dropped big time by AGS no matter what people say here.

Citizen Six · 13-10-2023 1:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232261#Comment_121232261

It doesn't have to meet legal threshold for probable cause. This is just an internet forum where people speculate, often randomly.

Citizen Six · 13-10-2023 1:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232371#Comment_121232371

Have you ever walked through a graveyard and smelled dead bodies below the ground?

MMAbhoy · 13-10-2023 1:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232490#Comment_121232490

That explains it

Deeec · 13-10-2023 1:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232316#Comment_121232316

Whatever you think. Have you done much work to your house lately yourself?

You think digging up a floor and digging down isnt significant work that could undermine a houses structure - I have my head in my hands here.

JDD · 13-10-2023 1:37pm

I think he killed her, brought her remains to a lock up unit in the car, or perhaps a shallow grave in Castlemartyr Woods, and then reported her missing.

The Guards must have searched the Grattan St house, perhaps even with sniffer dogs, and found nothing. The Guards say that the covering wall was not built at that time.

He would then have brought the body back to the house during the course of renovation works, and buried her. Either he, or a contractor, would have built the wall covering over the stairwell area. If it was a contractor I'm sure they did not know that a body was buried there. He then sold his car in case there was any forensic evidence to be gotten from it.

He would never have been able to move house, in case the next occupants discovered the body. He would have got away with it except for the neighbouring house was finally occupied after years of being derelict. The houses apparently share pipes, and the neighbours complained of a terrible smell during the course of their renovation works. Drain specialists were brought in to clear the blocked drain, and found evidence of human remains.

I don't blame the Guards in this case. Lock up units are notorious for not keeping accurate records (its in their interests not to) so perhaps they just didn't know about the lock up. This lad was smart, but also had a bit of luck on his side. Well, until now.

snoopy84 · 13-10-2023 1:37pm

I believe embalming is a legal requirement and am assuming that would eliminate some smell. Although I'm not saying that's the only reason graveyards don't smell i don't know why they don't

GSBellew · 13-10-2023 1:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232490#Comment_121232490

They have been embalmed, had bodily fluids drained etc, not to mention the fact that you are outside in a graveyard with plentiful air movement versus in an enclosed space inside a house with much more limited ventilation.

Witcher · 13-10-2023 1:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232653#Comment_121232653

It's not a legal requirement.

Henry James · 13-10-2023 1:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232371#Comment_121232371

Would Richard have allowed it though ? He would not have to. Were Gardai in the house when she was missing? They probably were when speaking to him. Is it right it's only recently the body was brought back to the house?

listermint · 13-10-2023 1:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232593#Comment_121232593

Well yes. I've spent the last 5 years renovationing my property. Including digging, filling subfloors, stud partition walls, block walls, external insulation installation, mhrv central heat recovery, two bathroom refits, new external drainage, complete driveway installation, patio and landscape area, windows, doors, porch build with ceder cladding, ceder driveway gates, plastering, painting, flooring and tiling. All myself BTW.

I've got a camera scope in the garage and also a flir infrared camera which I've used for various plumbing overhauls in the house.

Exploratory work of a brick partition wall is bread and butter for even the most fresh tradesman.

The guards dropped an extremely large ball here. This deserves a serious overhaul of policies on warrant protocols for missing person reports where spouse is a suspect. There were numerous red flags involved.

None of the tasks required here would require 200k worth of works regardless of how many times you repeat it.

Mo Ghile Mear · 13-10-2023 1:51pm

I’d say there’s lots of details we don’t know and that news reports and people like us on boards.ie are only speculating about.

There’s a lot of “fake news” and barstool “he said she said” stuff.

The real story will come out in due course.

Anyway.. the main thing is ..justice looks like it’s finally coming for Tina RIP.

Deeec · 13-10-2023 1:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232726#Comment_121232726

Great you should know the high cost involved then.

How would have exploratory work of a wall have revealed Tina. She wasn't in the wall!

listermint · 13-10-2023 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232593#Comment_121232593

Might I additionally say I never once said the guards should dig up the floor. I said specifically several times they should and could have camera scoped that wall to reveal fresh concrete hole the other side.

You've ignored that with each post.

Deeec · 13-10-2023 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232769#Comment_121232769

But that would have revealed nothing

Former Former Former · 13-10-2023 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232482#Comment_121232482

?? That's exactly my point.

Everyone on the internet "knowing" what happened is no use to the Gardai and won't impress a judge being asked to sign a warrant.

listermint · 13-10-2023 1:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232650#Comment_121232650

Reports are the guards noted the new wall down on their own report. But didn't pursue it any further.

listermint · 13-10-2023 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232779#Comment_121232779

Again you've ignored all of my posts. Exploratory work on the block/brick wall would have shown a fresh concrete hole covered up. Which would warrant further questioning of the suspect.

Any responses would have required receipts to back up his story.

All gaping holes exposing himself further.

It could have lead for a proper warrant to start a dig at the time.

That's the reality. Not making excuses for poor gardai protocol.

For you there are no lessons here. Which is bizarre...

Witcher · 13-10-2023 2:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232803#Comment_121232803

There's no such thing as a 'proper warrant', it's either a search warrant meeting the criteria laid down in statute and case law or it's not. There's no oul 'having a look first' warrants.

listermint · 13-10-2023 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232821#Comment_121232821

Terminology aside. Evidently a freshly built wall in a house with a missing person and 1 spouse in a location that doesn't require a wall would be worthy of seeking a warrant.

There's a large amount of giving the guards the benefit of doubt in this thread. For what reason no idea. They majorly dropped the ball here.

lukin · 13-10-2023 2:19pm

I am coming to this late so apologies if this has been answered already but I have a question;

The Gardai searched the house six years ago after the disappearance. Did they use a sniffer dog when they searched it? Because surely if a dog could pick up the smell of a body that has been dead for six years he could pick it up after it has been dead for a few days (although I don't know when the initial search was conducted). When would a body start to smell? After a day, two days, a week?

Edit: It has been speculated that the body was moved there sometime after the murder. That would answer my question so.

Strange thing to do if it is true.

road_high · 13-10-2023 2:53pm

But the neighbours house being surveyed presumably with some kind of lazer picked up something odd? How in the name of Christ could the Gardai not do this or even one more sophisticated? Whatever way it’s spun this isn’t a great outcome for AGS and would give me very little confidence tbh

snoopy84 · 13-10-2023 3:19pm

My mistake, just asked my neighbour (an undertaker) only insisted upon by funeral home if having a wake or if body leaving the country. I knew he had told me once it needed to be done but I misunderstood it to mean legally.

Anyway irrelevant

tayto lover · 13-10-2023 3:19pm

This thread is full of Colombo's and Poirot's. Can yis not wait until we hear the correct story.

holliehobbie · 13-10-2023 3:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232898#Comment_121232898

The whole case is strange.

BorneTobyWilde · 13-10-2023 3:25pm

I cam imagine many locals believed he was just an innocent man, that there was always a pint and a sympathetic ear down the pub waiting for him, that at Christmas he'd have his fair share of well wishes, and bottles gifted to the '' poor man'' . I wonder how those people feel now.