Israel-Gaza: 'We are at war', says Benjamin Netanyahu

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121451442#Comment_121451442

And regarding the "sport is above politics" aspect, well sport - rugby in particular - was used to whitewash apartheid in South Africa. So let's not get up on our high horse here, sport is often used in this way; otherwise why has Russia been banned from so many sporting events? And sauce for the Russian goose must be sauce for the Israeli gander.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121467157#Comment_121467157

BBC article on mass rape. Discussed to death on the thread you're banned from.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

As for short selling, well, that might not be true: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67628380

Further, whatever selling might've happened, qu'elle surprise, was by Hamas.

Pointing out UK government actions from 20 years ago is essence of whataboutery.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121460400#Comment_121460400

One additional "benefit" to Israel of flooding the tunnels is that doing so may pollute and destroy the already scarce aquifers which Gaza has. The Palestinians can't live without water. They were already living far below the accepted minimum level before the Israelis started massacring them.

It would just be another tactic in the ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing.

There is an eye-opening report on reuters about the Israeli deliberate attack on some of their journalists a few weeks back.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-LEBANON/JOURNALIST/akveabxrzvr/

Donald Trump

It is horrific to be seeing this in real time while the world watches on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvUClDPFsGA

Base price

I think they would if they thought that they would get away with it 😥 -

https://x.com/WhispersNewsLTD/status/1733114706494120028?s=20

Rosahane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121470448#Comment_121470448

The fat ones are the senior Hamas😀

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121467592#Comment_121467592

Some of the first BBC report might be true, unfortunately it is impossible to know. Israel has a long history of propaganda full of lies, and we also know that they often retract stuff afterwards - and it's not as if the BBC doesn't have form in presenting lies as truth, as anyone who was alive during the Troubles can tell you.

They also have used actors in mock-up situations - one of the latest is a video of a guy holding up weapons and slowly walking to dump them. They videoed it twice (that we know of) and he carried the same weapons in different hands each time.

https://twitter.com/IsraelDefenseF/status/1733597442623369314

People who do fake news/propaganda like this are inherently untrustworthy, so nothing they say can be taken at face value.

And they will use every trick in the book to tug at your heartstrings in an attempt at distracting you from what they are actually doing: carrying out a genocide.

What is interesting about this occasion (although of little solace to those suffering or being murdered, and of no solace at all to the thousands who have already been murdered) is that the youth of the USA has turned against Israel; their votes (along with the non-vote of all those Democrats and floating voters who will decide they could not stomach a vote for 'genocide Joe') are going to cost Biden his re-election.

Regarding the short selling - it was widely reported. And apart from one Israeli source the other outlets I have seen have not claimed that Hamas were the shortsellers but rather pointed the finger at Israeli players. But even in the most unlikely scenario that they were - the idea that Hamas was a major player on the Israeli stockmarket would surely shock all Israelis even more than the attack on the settlements.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121470448#Comment_121470448

That video has a real vibe of Srebrenica about it.

I hope those men are still alive.

Good loser

Horrific stories on RTE's News at One today on the continuing atrocities in Gaza. Biden's actions at the UN unforgivable! How doesn't he get it?

Tonynewholland

https://www.timesofisrael.com/autopsy-finds-bullet-in-body-of-hero-civilian-shot-by-reservist-proving-police-wrong/

deirdremf

The link brings up a trailer for a ducumentary on the 1948 war. It shows several old men laughing about murdering and raping Palestinians back then. The clip is absolutely horrifying in their lack of humanity.

https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1718887609211011208

Probably they are grandfathers of guys doing the same in Palestine today. The people Biden and Scholz and other Western leaders are supporting today.

I don't know to what extent Israel is a democracy or if it is a failed state, but these these guys are anything to go by, it is certainly a failed society.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121481309#Comment_121481309

We've all seen multiple reports that the Zionist occupation force killed indiscriminately on October 7th, it seems to be their modus operandi, so we shouldn't be surprised at the report in your link above. They clearly aren't concerned about causing substantial numbers of deaths among their own people.

As a result, it will hardly come as a surprise that Palestinian deaths are of absolutely no concern to them regardless how many they kill.

deirdremf

I'm sure all of us here remember Paddy Cosgrave getting cancelled for speaking out against the slaughter of the Palestinians in Gaza.

Many of us also remember Courtney Carey being fired by Israeli company Wix for expressing support for the people of the Gaza strip in their plight.

Well, waddaya know, those actions was coordinated by a group of pro-Israel Tech investors in Silicon valley.

Further information at this link.

It looks as though Paddy Cosgrave isn't just a pretty face, but is capable of fighting back, given his wealth, his knowledge of tech capabilities and also, doubtless, his contacts in the upper echelons of the Tech world.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326756#Comment_121326756

But where does it end is the question. The idf seems to have questionable intelligence on how many hamas militants they have killed so its not certain how many civilians are going to end up dead at the end of operation and if hamas are going to be defeated. All this killing with victory uncertain is quite depressing.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121530765#Comment_121530765

I'm not quite sure what point you are making here?

Regarding a different aspect of the situation, though, Israel apparently has never defined its own borders. But the UN did define the borders of Israel - or of the "Jewish part pf the Palestinian mandate". Here's a map of the division of Palestine, along with a map of the bits conquered by Israel in 1948.

In so far as Israel exists, its legal boundaries are defined by the map on the left. As a result, Israel can hardly legally complain about any activity by the Palestinian authority (or by anyone else for that matter) in the bits adjudicated to the Arabs. Conversely, anything done by Israel in the areas adjudicated to the Arabs is done not by legal right, and has no basis in international law. This includes any settlements & kibutzes in those areas.

Remember that the "armistice line" as shown in the map on the right was not something that the Palestinians agreed to - it was an armistice between Israel and its neighbouring states, not the Arab inhabitants of Palestine. Remember, too that if Israel has the right to defend itself, so too do the Arabs of Palestine - including by resisting the occupation, in all parts of Palestine adjudicated to them by the UN.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121531154#Comment_121531154

My comments were made in relation to Israel, using SA and Russia as comparators.

Maybe you need to explain yourself more fully, now that you have joined the forum.

Base price

I just had too -

https://x.com/WhispersNewsLTD/status/1738898071998660661?s=20

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121533138#Comment_121533138

Shame Hamas won't stop firing rockets, necessitating the use of Iron Dome.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121533365#Comment_121533365

If I were Israeli, this footage on twitter of a march in the US - the marchers are calling out "Yemen Yemen make us proud - turn another ship around" - would make my blood run cold.

https://twitter.com/PeoplesForumNYC/status/1738666218683343272

The Israeli war on the Palestinian people has now escaped the control of the Zionist movement. I'd guess that a whole range of mid-sized and large powers internationally, such as Russia, Iran and possibly even China are all happy to give the US a bloody nose. Whether Israel exists or not is of no importance to any of them (yes, Iran would genuinely like to see it disappear), while taking the US down a peg or two is of interest to them all.

I saw the comment made somewhere that not only would the Red Sea be closed, but the threat was made that the Straits of Gibraltar would be closed too. I don't think that's possible - but if regime change could be orchestrated in Morocco (unlikely IMO) that could change. In such a scenario, would it be possible to block ships carrying bulk foodstuffs from passing through the straits to Israel?

yosemitesam1

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?r=US&IR=T

Tonynewholland

https://www.timesofisrael.com/key-idf-officer-reportedly-voiced-concern-about-nova-festival-but-was-told-to-ok-it/.

deirdremf

I wonder if I am the only one who has been feeling that the Hamas attack was allowed to happen precisely so that Israel would have the excuse to do what it is doing.

All the propaganda that Israel came out with in the first few days and which was repeated over and over again but has since been shown to be lies, in retrospect seems to have been in a drawer somewhere, prepared and ready for distribution.

This is demonstrated by the way Israel's propaganda has become less and less convincing as time goes on, and the quality of both the propaganda and hasbarists on the internet has reached rock bottom as the genocide has continued. People are calling it out for what it is - lies and fudge. Nobody believes it any more.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121536992#Comment_121536992

For the season that's in it - King Herod and the Flight into Egypt.

patsy_mccabe

A long term view - Palestinian perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJkxOF9QqEk

Danzy

Anger seems to be growing in Gaza against Hamas, their fighters were stoned in Rafah when they were lifting a food aid truck.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121533588#Comment_121533588

The closure of the Red Sea is a much more pressing issue for countries in Europe and India.

Most Israelis trade eastwards is high value, IT, arms, high end engineering pieces.

deirdremf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539973#Comment_121539973

Given Israel's propensity for using actors to produce propaganda videos, how can we be sure that these people aren't Israeli actors? Several of those speaking certainly don't sound like Arabs, and even the ones speaking Arabic seem to start speaking before the question has been translated.

My guess is that this is a propaganda video.

patsy_mccabe

1948 Survivors Narrate How Israel Stole Palestine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqHrJd_1MiE

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121559611#Comment_121559611

I think you forgot to mention that the Palestinian's and surrounding Arab countries attacked the new Israeli state first and wouldvhave wiped it out.

People are trying to revise what happened fro. 1948 on. Next we will have some saying the Israelis were the aggressor at Entebbe

patsy_mccabe

OK, just one more. A video showing the anti-Zionist religious Jewish community, who stood in opposition to Zionism and its occupation of Palestine, from the very beginning in 1948 up until now. It sure is complicated over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE98ZJZSraQ