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A Woke Society? **Mod Warning In Post #435**

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    #482
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325554#Comment_121325554

    It was someone else who called me a dick. Which is why I’m confused here.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #483
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121325960#Comment_121325960

    In fairness you didn’t.


    So I’m baffled about this “spurious warnings” thing.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #484
    tesla_newbie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326007#Comment_121326007

    It’s not appropriate to discuss further my warnings history , I may be wrong but I suspect I’m being baited into another one by discussing Mod actions so I’m making this my last comment



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    #485
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326098#Comment_121326098

    I don’t want you to discuss mod actions. So your suspicion is “spurious”.


    You said you hope woke is on it’s way out. I want to discuss that. I suspect you can’t even define “woke” and are using nefarious mods as an excuse to dodge the question.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #486
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121326810#Comment_121326810

    I dont know if woke is on the way out but there has been a certain push back against companies using woke advertising for example, and as it turns out you wont sell more beer if you try to market beer to men using transgenders or Lingerie to women using obese chicks or with entertainment get more people to see your movies if basic story telling constructs are all upended.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #487
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,826 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332218#Comment_121332218

    And there we go another user avoiding the actual question asked.



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    #488
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332242#Comment_121332242

    whats the question? I backed up 3 pages and it was just people sniping at each other

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #489
    Ramasun
    Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    F"uck your feelings but if you upset me there'll be trouble.

    About sums it up for me.



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    #490
    RobbieTheRobber
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332288#Comment_121332288

    What is your definition of woke?



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    #491
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332218#Comment_121332218

    What do you mean by pushback? Anything real and measurable or just hordes of manchildren on Twitter whining incessantly?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #492
    RobbieTheRobber
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    I don't know how anyone can identify a pushback against something that seems undefinable.



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    #493
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332661#Comment_121332661

    as in it doesnt work, If somebody is managing a brand , it could be a beer or a university like Harvard or a film studiio like Disney. If you do stuff that damages the brand in the eyes of the consumers then your strategy has failed. Ultimately your consumers tell you what to supply, producers dont tell you how to consume. Basic Economics 101

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #494
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332696#Comment_121332696

    You haven't answered my question. Last time I checked, Disney wasn't hemorrhaging customers.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #495
    silverharp
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332702#Comment_121332702

    Their share price is down a 1/3 over 5 years and going by their movies they are more likely to be flops, not exactly winning. Or with Harvard they seem to have reputation damage where its affecting the job prospects of their graduates.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #496
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332752#Comment_121332752

    Still vastly higher than it was in 2010. They're fine. As is Harvard.

    People need to stop pretending that angry men wailing on Twitter are anything more than what they are.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #497
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332768#Comment_121332768

    what is significant about 2010? the woke stuff was more a post 2016 thing, and its share price is lower than then.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #498
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,726 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332825#Comment_121332825

    What is "woke", exactly and how do you know it's responsible for the drop in share prices?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #499
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332696#Comment_121332696

    Right.


    Any chance you could define “woke” now? I gave my definition

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #500
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332834#Comment_121332834

    I find the what is "woke" question a bit of a fake diversion, you should be like a bankteller that handled so much real cash they can spot a fake without knowing why, so I dont think your question is genuine. But lest I be accused of avoiding it, its simple enough to describe, it has the common feature of seeing people as having a group identity that is superior than an Individual identity, and that some groups are given preference without considering merit. The only plus side of being woke (for me) is that its like living life with a disability, its its own curse , if people feel like living life with self imposed ceilings while blaming society for their problems, fine by me, its entertaining to watch on, just glad Im not infected with the cultural virus and wouldnt raise my kids with that disabling mindset.


    As for Disney Im sure there are non woke reasons like streaming not being profitable but if they had better content they would sell more movie tickets and more subscriptions so they would have more money in the bank. Disney ruined Star Wars with their woke movies as an example, not seen any Star Wars movies in 5 or 6 years

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #501
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333042#Comment_121333042

    I did above, and I dont know what your definition is, so link the post or copy it into your post

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #502
    ancapailldorcha
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333196#Comment_121333196

    I find the desperate attempts to avoid defining the word both telling and pathetic. By your definition, I could categorise Donald Trump, Ron DeSantis and Adolf Hitler as woke.

    You keep saying that "woke" is bad financially but can't seem to back it up with anything more than unsubstantiated and fanciful claims.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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    #503
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333310#Comment_121333310

    I did, read my post, what do you want me to add, its a cult, a secular religion, a political ideology? a grift by narcissists

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #504
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333196#Comment_121333196

    You have no idea what "woke" is if you think it's group identity.

    People are tribal - it's an inherant human trait - so we're going to find identity in groups, that's nothing new. Being part of a religion is a group identity. Expressing yourself by way of waving an irish flag is having a group identity. Supporting Manchester United or Liverpool or whoever is having a group identtiy. Joining a model railway club is a group identity. Hell, joining the Nationalist Socialist Party in Germany in the 1930s was having a group identity - but I'd hardly call it "woke"; would you?

    Disney is a major reason as to why Ron DeSantis is no longer a potential candidate for US president, but that's not really relevant to anything. Neither is Disney's profit/loss margin, number of subscribers or anything like that relevant because correlation does not mean causation.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #505
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333237#Comment_121333237

    You didn’t define it. You said defining it was a distraction

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #506
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333382#Comment_121333382

    but they arent reasonable suggestions to what I wrote, though identifying as an Irish soccer supporter is probably like having a disability he he!

    its more related to philosophies and value systems around immutable characteristics, for instance Race. so for instance if you take a Black woman, a woke person/philosophy would say she is oppressed yada yada , white men are somehow her problem and capitalism yada yada. A normal person would argue that your personal characteristics and thoughts of which Race is just one of hundreds defines your range of opportunities.

    I feel like Im responding to a chimp or someone who has lived under a rock for the past 10 year, you do know this already? or is this brand new information?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #507
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333446#Comment_121333446

    okaaay, I dont write dictionaries for a living but if you must, its a grievance ideology based on people having certain immutable characteristic that by the philosophy define/limit their life outcomes and that somehow they need to be corrected by society.

    I dont accept this as being true or needing to be fixed because it ignores the hundreds of other factors that make up the individual. It might be useful in the short term to extract resources from society as part of a political grift but its an awful personal philosophy which is limiting for obvious reasons

    good enough? is this new information you hadnt worked out before after several years on Boards?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #508
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333460#Comment_121333460

    That doesn't really change your definition because what constitutes "given preference" is massively speculative. I could argue the Nazis were given preference on the basis that they were led by a dictator. The Catholic Church, up until 1972, was a group identity that had preference in the Constitution - pretty sure I woudn't call the Christian Brothers of the 60s "woke".

    Woke is nothing to do with group identity or preference. It's a perceived notion of awareness of social injustice - and you most certainly don't need to have a "group identity" regardless of whether or not you think it receives a special preference.

    I'll ignore the paragraph where you said "race" was a philosophy or value system.

    Beyond that, if you have to resort to childish insults, it's because you know what you're saying has been proven wrong.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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    #509
    eightieschewbaccy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121332752#Comment_121332752

    And there's no indication that "woke" is the cause of that. Bad plots, rebooting classics, struggling to launch a streaming platform or CGI is not a woke issue. It's not because some idiot is outraged by the little mermaid being black etc.



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    #510
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,320 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333664#Comment_121333664

    in the common meaning of the term and how it describes what we see , it is group identity. there is no general interest in poverty which affects all races , disabilities , its all race, sex, gender issues. there are a 100 discussions over genders access to toilets compared to disability access to public transport for example. I apologise if I come across as being rude but I dont quite believe that posters are being genuine with their questions. If the topic was communism and was incessantly being bogged down with requirements for definitions of communism, I'd just view it filibustering, but as you have moved it on Ill go with that

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #511
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 33,402 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock



    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121333767#Comment_121333767

    I've given you two examples of group identity that proved you thinking was flawed and definition was erroneous; none of this challenges anything I posted.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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