Dosing

mr.stonewall

With lice it's vital that the all the animals in the shed are treated on the same day.

mr.stonewall

From the egg samples I have got back I have small bits of rumen Fluke. Advice from the vet is to treat anything scoury and not thriving. It's cutting down the amount of dosing and saving time and money. No Fluke showed up but advice was to dose due to history and kill sheets from ahi in the past, due to the year we have had. Added to the fact that house has broken the lifecycle of fluke

Lungworm is an issue as cattle dose a week ago are coughing 3 times stronger now since dosing. Evidence of a serious problem

Only advice I would give to people is talk to your vet

greysides

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121379443#Comment_121379443

Look up the advice leaflets on the AHI site. They'll give you some background and a picture of what might be expected to be needed in an average situation. You then have to modify from there to suit yourself.

greysides

The post by limo_100 has been given its own thread, "Pneumonia vaccination".

greysides

Some info from Teagasc here:

https://www.teagasc.ie/news--events/daily/beef/a-guide-on-winter-dosing-products.php

Hard Knocks

We dosed everything with Levacide low vol drench and Fluconix to the bigger stock 6 weeks ago. Given the year and our land type I was expecting to be giving a second round 6 weeks after the first. We’re going with a white drench next year would you give white now instead of the yellow

greysides

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121400902#Comment_121400902

A couple of questions:

Roughly what area of the country are you farming in?

What was the timing of the dosing relative to housing?

What groups of stock do you have?

The problem with Levacide is the active ingredient, levamisole, doesn't hit type II (inhibited) worms. These can cause problems when they become active in the Spring, as well as act as a source of pasture contamination for the coming grazing season. However, I've never seen that risk quantified and it should be of lesser importance in certain ages/groups of stock (stronger or older). In recent decades there's simply been no need to take that risk due to the doses available.

Fluconix is "Trodax". A good fluke dose once your target is fluke more than six weeks in the animal. If your animals are housed more than six weeks at the time of dosing, then one dose gets all, otherwise .... you may well need another dose.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121402812#Comment_121402812

Cows and breeders (1.5yo) got both, weanlings got just Levacide. First dose was 2 weeks after entry. We’re in Leitrim

Last year we used ivermectin

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121378845#Comment_121378845

Yeah up here (Donegal) we've done our lambs 2 weeks ago (except ones nearly ready to go, which went on Monday) because we know our land and it's been even wetter than normal this year.

Should get one more draft before Christmas once the withdrawal is up.

Finishing cattle have been in since the start of October before they could get a chance to destroy the ground. Pour on used on them. It's just easier and so much faster.

greysides

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121403435#Comment_121403435

Cows (apart from any exceptions- older, weaker, previously sick, etc.) should be virtually immune to worms. You would probably be safe enough not dosing these again. However, I would take faecal samples about the beginning of March to check for eggs and find whether dosing is needed.

At the other end of the age groups, I would expect the weanlings to need dosing for worms later in housing period as they are not as immune as the cows, and in that case it might be as well to go ahead and do it now, white dose or ivomec type. If the weanlings are in very strong order you could go the sampling route later in the season instead.

The yearlings would be in-between the other two groups. You'd have to decide which of the other two groups they most relate to.

All in all, you can see why your local vet who knows the farm, would be better placed to advise.

Given your location and this year's fluke forecast, I think you'd need to give the fluconix to all once they're housed six weeks. There is no immunity to fluke.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121409708#Comment_121409708

Thanks, we’d an issue with hoose in cows a few years back. That’s why we do everything for worms now

patsy_mccabe

What are lads using for Fluke this winter? I've already done the younger cattle for worms. I used Endofluke last winter but wondering if I should change this year to minimise resistance build up, if that is the case.

Will ring my vet for his advice but just wondering what everyone else is doing.

Sami23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121500099#Comment_121500099

You could switch to Fluconix

limo_100

Hi Lads and lassies have two questions :) I shedded the cows and calves two weeks ago this Saturday and I dosed all the calves with animec on the way in but some of them are still coughing and I know this is normal after getting an ivomectin product but should the coughing not have stopped at this stage? or is this a normal time frame or will some of them need a second dose. Note all are done for ibr and pneumonia.

Also I want to dose the cows for fluke I have a bottle of endofluke was gone do them next week as there in 2 weeks or is it better to leave it until there 3 weeks in?

Sami23

Do people find Fluconix a good dose for fluke ?

All cattle in about 8 weeks so want to get them done this weekend all going well

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121500267#Comment_121500267

Had to look that one up. For who don't know, its the same drug as trodax.

(Wear gloves, it stains everything orange)

Anto_Meath

Looking for opinions, every year around now I would normally do all the cattle in the shed with closamectin pour on. But I don't have any issue with coughs, worms ect this year just Iice. So just wondering what people use to just treat lice. Done fancy putting lime on them as I find it messy.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585086#Comment_121585086

We've used Spot - on , on our finishing cattle which closamectin withdrawal would have been too long, it's still a pour on too.

funkey_monkey

Use Spotinor here. I think it is the same as spoton - generic version.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585123#Comment_121585123

Yeah go with the active ingredient, Deltamethrin

Whatever is cheaper! It's the same stuff.

Lime Tree Farm

Ectospec (Cypermethrin) mostly used here, will need to be repeated, some have started rubbing their necks off the barriers.

Robson99

Always found Lime the best here.... every 3 or 4 weeks.... but it need to have Life in it..... anyways damp and its a waste of time

endainoz

Diatomaceous Earth is supposed to be a good lice treatment, clipping along the back always good too.

alan10

Always used Spot On and works fine. Got Deltanil from Tirlan this Winter and "think" its lasting bit longer on them with no scratching.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585086#Comment_121585086

Use dectospot here this last few years. Find it very good. 10ml on their back and Can do them as they eat. Might have to do them again after a couple of weeks because the eggs won’t have been got the first time but it’s no big deal.

Cant understand lads liming and spraying when there are much easier options.

huntsman77

After buying in weanlings to let straight out to grass. Don't know what doesing they got before me no coughing seem healthy would you give them something as a precaution or see how they go.thanks in advance

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130988#Comment_122130988

Everything bought in here gets levefas diamond a day or two after arrival

huntsman77

Thats great .Thanks for reply cavanjack

RobinBanks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122130988#Comment_122130988

Might be no harm give them black leg vaccine aswell if there is history of black leg on your farm. Here is what i do when i buy weanlings albeit its different time of year.

Worm dose

Black leg vaccine

Bovipast RSP & IBR vaccine

Growvite mineral dose

All done about a week after they arrive and have settled in.

huntsman77

That's great info thanks for that.

Conversations 3

What does are you giving cattle while at grass?

A bolus and a shot of spot on enough?

endainoz

Dung samples will pick up anything you need to treat for. Far too much dosing is being done just for the sake of it.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122141971#Comment_122141971

no need to dose at grass until they start coughing. Then dose for lung worms.

RobinBanks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122141971#Comment_122141971

That's exactly what i do. The day they go out i give mineral and spot on or equivalent. Then later on in the summer I dose yearlings for lung worms and I take dung samples to check cows for liver and rumen fluke.

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147891#Comment_122147891

What mineral

RobinBanks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147987#Comment_122147987

COSEICURE boluses. Baby calves get Growvite oral drench.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147891#Comment_122147891

Why the Spot-on at grass?

Castlekeeper

One treatment mid winter with diatomaceous earth dusted on their backs with a puffer cleans up any lice problems here now. We used to have to go twice each winter with Butox or Spot on etc.

They use it for hens as standard I think.

RobinBanks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148124#Comment_122148124

Mainly to keep flies away from heifers and spreading mastitis around dry cows. Also find it cleans on the coat even though i treat for lice / mites during the winter i just decided long time back to do it at turn out aswell to make sure everything killed.

endainoz

Im looking to try this out myself for housing next winter. Nice to see someone else is doing it, do you find it good?

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148813#Comment_122148813

That makes sense - had a maiden heifer get mastitis in one quarter last year - never seen it happen before.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151589#Comment_122151589

We'd get one every few years in our beef heifers, usually in the height of blowfly season.

Would be watching out for it to catch it early so we can treat it.

Have put out the garlic lick buckets in the last few years, haven't had any but might not have had any them years..

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122151589#Comment_122151589

I do all the 2 year old maiden heifers with spot on for the fly. Usually do them around mid July time. Used to always have one or two mastitis cases and none since I started the spot on.

Don’t do the yearlings - never have mastitis with them.

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122148167#Comment_122148167

how many grams per cow?

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152292#Comment_122152292

Puff away until there's a cloud of it gone over the back and head, it's a cheap and cheerfull approach. It doesn't have medicinal properties so it's harmless. It works by damaging the bugs through the microscopic sharp edges of the dust particles.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152394#Comment_122152394

Wear a mask to prevent it entering your lungs - fine silica dust particles are a major cause of Silicosis

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122154977#Comment_122154977

Great advice 👍

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122156040#Comment_122156040

Better advice would be to just use the pour on. Can do them in the shed without all that nonsense. I squirt it onto them from the feed passage and do them again after 3/4 weeks to kill any that were just eggs the time of the first treatment.

leoch

Anyone else notice cattle starting to cough a bit this last few days would it be a change in the weather to colder or would it be lung worm

Who2

pour on is far more expensive and not near as good as the injectable versions in most doses.
Check the price of the injectable against the pour on and you’ll find you will be well paid for the little bit extra inconvenience.

If dosing is an issue I find cydectin long acting is a good dose and if timed right will cover weanlings up until sale. I must check it but Theres one of them cover for either 3 or 4 months. A bit dearer but works well.