Jozef Puska guilty of murder of Ashling Murphy (Mod notes and threadbans in op)

silverharp

how is an unemployed gypsy from transelvania my Son's problem? Ive certianly told my daughter to profile taxi drivers etc. for her personal safety

https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1722960109045723643

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351368#Comment_121351368

Yes , really . But nothing will change your opinion.

I can only speak for Dublin City. Its a hellhole. Even that is a compliment

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351362#Comment_121351362

Ever before? As in at any point in history before? Surely we must be living in the safest or certainly one of the safest times in history to be a woman. Were things better for women 100,200 or 500 years ago?

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351362#Comment_121351362

Maybe you aren't able for a mature conversion.

It's a proven fact that immigration leads to an increase in crime

DangerMouse27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351396#Comment_121351396

Ah the Ancient Summerians.. got away with murder they did.

So your saying we should judge everything off 500 years ago? Excellent metric. 100 years? Nice. 50 years? Nah. 25. That's a good number.

Assaults from men towards women are on the rise. I don't think there is anything controversial about stating that, considering it's backed up by official crime stats since 2015.

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351394#Comment_121351394

I mean, any sort of evidence that Dublin is as lawless as a comic book city? or that coffee shops are over run with foreigners? or that Lithuania Ukraine and Russia are apparently safer?

My opinion is based on facts, not racism or misandry.

pgj2015

Iv seen a lot of sexist and racist views towards male refugees here in the last year, I wonder where it came from? Was it a result of all the male bashing after Ashlings murder?

"We dont mind families and women but we dont want single men" have heard this rubbish a lot in the last year. Painting all single male refugees as a threat and not welcome.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351450#Comment_121351450

I’m saying that we’re not assaulting women in greater numbers than ever before which is what you said. If you are saying assaults on women are in the rise like in this post then that’s fair enough. It’s a reasonable point to make.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351379#Comment_121351379

when the twitter bio reads

Dr Mary McAuliffe

@MaryMcAuliffe4

Director UCD Gender Studies: Historian / gendered & sexual violence in war /sexualities,gender & queer histories/feminist/views my own/woke/ (she/her)

you know the truth is the opposite.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351452#Comment_121351452

Technically yes but profiling when it concerns safety is fine by me, everyone reserves the right to "cross the street" if they dont like the look of whoever is coming there way. An unvestted female might be a scammer, an unvetted male could be a terrorist or rapist/murderer

Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351451#Comment_121351451

Thats not how it works . You disagreed so prove the facts.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351480#Comment_121351480

Cross the street if you want but having people afraid of single foreign males for no reason isn't on and I blame the media for that with all the men bashing.

DangerMouse27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351443#Comment_121351443

It's bananas that I can only find evidence that actually disproves your theory. Like none.

Proven fact.

I'd love to know where you got that from. Genuinely. I'm here for the debate you say I might not be ready for. Maybe you'll present something that might change my thinking.

It definitely won't be anything that was produced by the Leave side in the Brexit debate in Britain.

Link it up and I promise to read it 💪

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351452#Comment_121351452

The "single men" misandry is all over social media and women I've spoked to about immigration have parroted it to me, word for word. This would come from the idea that men who try to escape conflict are cowards and therefore dodgy. They should stay and fight like proper men and get blown apart by Russian artillery. And when this happens, as per Hillary Clinton, women will be the primary victims as they will have lost their fathers, sons and husbands.

DangerMouse27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351472#Comment_121351472

Cool. Should have had more clarity in my phrasing.

Look forward to you chasing down all other comments on here for inaccuracies.

You did say that, you thought it's probably a safer time now than ever before? You surely don't believe that man?

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351533#Comment_121351533

Older Irish women are the worst for it, women in their 50s and 60s from my experience.

Apparently minorities in Ukraine were treated badly so i wouldn't judge a single male minority coming here, why should they die for a country that treated them like second class citizens. Lots of other reasons a single male refugee might not be suitable to fight in a war.

I don't think that is the reason for the hate towards single male refugees though, its just ignorance and driven by the media and racists.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351495#Comment_121351495

I dont quite understand your point, the media papers over migrant violence more often than not? if a minority foreigner commits a crime the headline will always lead with "Galway resident" or you have the generalisation to all men as per the Newstalk tweet. But as I think profiling of certain groups makes perfect sense, I cant get my nose out of joint on the point, blame the government for not vetting and having a good justice system that protects the people

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351533#Comment_121351533

"Men of fighting age" are often the family breadwinner, which is why they go abroad. Many Irish men of fighting age emigrated in past generations and sent money home to their families.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351533#Comment_121351533

In fairness, why shouldn’t they stay and fight for their country…. ?

TagoMago

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351443#Comment_121351443

Can you post the studies that prove that fact? Have looked into this before and all I could find was right wing think tanks stating it does, and left wing publications stating it doesn't

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121349101#Comment_121349101

I agree with some of your post but feel I must clarify in case somebody joining the convo here thinks that your sweeping generalisations apply to me!

I never said he was an incel. That might have been someone else. I don't remember anyone saying he was tbh. Just a discusdion on incels generally but.. Not My Discussion.

I never shamed all men. Again that must have been someone else... and The opposite in fact. I agree its counterproductive to tar every man and is unreasonable.

Again none of that you are generalising about thete applies to me or my posts, just to be very clear.

Bit do I think that there is NO place for education and support to help with acceptance and understanding of our ever changing neo liberal world. For ever person, adult and child?

Of course not. All of us have difficulties every day with language for example to describe some new construct or policy that is coming down the line at us.

Now to " Sweeping Generalisations about Men, Irish Men, no less!..

All research on violent crimes shows clearly that violence against women is mainly perpetrated by men they know, not people like Puska, but fathers, brothers, sons and men we work and socialise with.

It is disingenuous to say otherwise or to deny that there are reasons for that that need preventative action.

The fact that the majority of men " are not like that".. ( and I do feel this way as I come from an entirely male household of lovely men and not all of that is down to me but to their father ).. does not change the fact that it is very much men who perpetrate crimes of rape and domestic abuse.

A much smaller percentage of abusers are women.

And that is not that "men are bad" but physiological differences (testosterone, genetics) mixed in with exposure to problematic social media and cultural pressures can have a deleterious effect, especially where these young men are from a background of abuse and just abandoned and left get on with it.

That is why support services like Spunout or Childline for example are very useful. Barnardos also do great work in this country.

The government making cutbacks and underfunding support services and child and teen mental health services negate the good work done by good agencies every single day.

Not to diminish the effects of migration and the differences in culture in Europe in contrast to an increasingly autocratic non secular view in large swathes of the non Western world... but I think this is not relevant on this thread because this guy was a European and from an ethnic minority.

He was given every support by all accounts.

Like even with all the supports and help available to him and his family, some people cannot be helped and are just bad.

Doesn't mean we should pull the plug and stop trying though.

We all know people who came from bad situations family wise and with support overcame that disadvantage and are thriving now.

But for the help they got they were in a destructive downward spiral in their twenties and thirties and may not have been here now.

As for social media..

The connection between sexist language, misogyny and social isolation to violence and violent crime has been well documented from radicalised Islamic youths to the random shooters in the US.

So it is wrong to imply that challenging this online here in Ireland and trying to clarify what is real and what is designed to wind people up is pearl clutching, or unnecessary.

We are seeing a generational shift in Ireland to a culture of social media consumers who don't follow regular newsstreams anymore just Insta or the likes of X, where more and more bad actors are involved in hate speech and online abuse and misinformation.

So it is even more important than ever to be careful about what goes out online. And to challenge assiduously.

And to report abuses.

To sum up, I think discussion of the problems in our society, without the hysteria of Joe Duffy and the likes, is important, rather than hiding it saying "everything is alright and why are people making a fuss over nothing?! "

That was the old way here in Ireland, and it didn't work very well.

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Sweet.Science

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351654#Comment_121351654

Because they are looking at crime year to year.

Whereas it's a lot more straightforward than that.

Any crime committed by an immigrant is an extra crime that wouldn't have occurred otherwise. A life lost that wouldn't have been.

Ten of Swords

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Marcos

I haven't read through the entire thread, but has Sam McConkey made any comment on the verdict? I mean he was quick enough to blame Irish society and say that men needed a licence to socialise directly after the murder.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121351862#Comment_121351862

Agreed, like something from a Nazi dystopian playbook, a socialising license, ffs….