Increase in Anti-EV Media Articles

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121797344#Comment_121797344

I think it's simpler than that. People can't be bothered with any faffing about.

Many little just want something that can fix with screwdriver. There's merit to that.

n.d.os

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121797816#Comment_121797816

There's a lot of that too for sure.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121797219#Comment_121797219

A lot of the people I know do ad hoc journeys. Maybe home to a sick parent, or to Dublin for something. Business or such. When they get to their destination they have to do more driving around.

But for sure it not everyone. But it's still a valid scenario. Many have a 2nd ICE car anyway..

Dades

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796911#Comment_121796911

Yeah, I understand the home charging point thing is mainly an urban issue, I meant main rural issue is range anxiety.

Replies since suggest its less than people think, as not every country-dweller is doing Dublin-Cork roundtrips every week. But even knowing there's infrequent intercity trips required, along with route planning to think about is going to be off-putting. Not everyone is willing to change the mindset.

I visit Wexford (from Dublin) several times a year, and looking at what chargers are available en route I'm not sure I want to deal with that trip with three kids and a dog. Especially the way the motorway eats charge, and the winter range.

SeanaciousD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796812#Comment_121796812

I would disagree on one simple count - rural drivers have longer commutes, so they actually end up benefiting more from EV's.

E.g. My parents live rural, both have a 50-75km round trip daily commute for work. Any modern EV has the range to last the whole week so charging each car overnight isn't an issue.

A combined 750km a week (incl. shopping trips etc.) was costing them ~€90 a week in their old petrol cars

An EV? Well assuming a reasonably efficient 17kwh/100km (which my parents are getting), you would need 127.5 KWh a week.

On the overnight EV plan at 8c/kWh (lowering in price soon) that's..... €10.20 a week. There's plans out there that even do as low as 5c/kWh.

My parents keep their cars for 10-15 years. So 80 quid saved times 46 weeks a year times 15 years is..... €55,200 saved in fuel over the life of the vehicles. Not even counting servicing costs or the fact they have solar panels.

Combine that with the fact the likes of an MG4 now costs less than a Paddy-spec feature-less manual transmission VW Golf? Yeah you'd have to be knee-deep in the Anti-EV kool-aid to not consider them even for rural owners. And if you're a rural user who's worried about your twice yearly trip to Dublin Airport? Just buy a Tesla and use the Supercharger network, and it's a non-issue. Model 3 is the same price as a specced up Golf now anyway!

Not having a go, just dispelling the myth that EV's somehow aren't suited to rural users.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798171#Comment_121798171

I've been doing Waterford (occasionally Tramore) weekly for the past year from Dublin via Enniscorthy. Ionity Gorey is the failsafe if I'm low on the way back, but I haven't needed to stop there yet. 2 kids and a dog, but their weight would be negligible compared to the car.

borderfox11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121787761#Comment_121787761

brilliant, thanks for this one 😁

bruschi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121798171#Comment_121798171

I do Dublin to the very south of Wexford regularly and dont need to stop to charge. Sometimes I stop and dont bother charging and sometimes I stop and get some charge for the sake of it. Applegreen in Coynes cross and Ionity at Gorey are both 2 handy locations that are a typical stopping point for trips for toilet breaks or a snack if needed.

People have this mindset that if your car cant do a 600km round trip in one go, then there is no point. Yet a lot of people would still stop on a journey of this length for 15 or 20 mins anyway, which is enough on a fast charge to complete the journey just fine. Its also usually people who havent used an EV or no experience of charging who think that it is a hassle or awkward.

Dades

Its totally a mindset thing, though there will always be people for who it just doesn't suit.

But the money that can be saved in the longer term on fuel will chip away on the rest for sure.

RoboRat

I live at the foot of the Slieve Bloom mountains and the nearest public charger is around 20km away. Coming up to a year of EV ownership and I have only used a public charger 3 times.

Every time it was my wife's fault for not telling me it was low and needed charging, so realistically, I didn't need to use them! Each time, I pulled up to the charger, - no queues, went to the toilet, and grabbed a coffee. By the time I came out, I had usually added around 30 kwh which was more than enough to get me home. I regularly travel to Dublin and if it's charged it to 100%, I have no problems with the range. Gone to Waterford and Cork too with no need to charge.

When considering buying an EV, the range was always deterring me, but when I actually examined my daily mileage, I realised that I rarely go over 250 - 300km a day. The fact that I never technically 'needed' to use a public charger proves this.

IMO, rural is perfect for an EV but I think the pushback stems from people being told they will have to adopt. There is a lot of misinformation and even hatred towards EVs... why anyone could hate an inanimate object is beyond me! On many occasions, my wife's work colleagues have peddled nonsense to her including

• EV's are deathtraps that will spontaneously combust
• The batteries fail and cost more than the car to replace
• The range will drop to next to nothing in winter
• Insurance will go up - ironically, mine went down by over 50% / €300 and I'm only paying €310 for fully comp with NCB protection
• Our EV will be worth nothing in 3 years

I just laugh.

Woodie40

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796373#Comment_121796373

That’s true they are becoming the affordable brand for the savvy consumer who is not bothered about brands.

Flinty997

Seeing lots of them around.

Buddy Bubs

We have 1 director in work clinging on for dear life for another x5 company car which he is not getting, and is in a huff about it. Everyone else in management team with company car is now EV.

I took a trip with him today from Dublin to cork, he was driving the x5, he stopped on the way down for something to eat and do some emails and stopped on the way back too.

Where did he stop each time? A Circle K. And what did circle K have? 350kw Chargers (I know you won't get 350 or anything resembling it but we would be fully charged in time we had our sandwich and coffee)

munchkin_utd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799443#Comment_121799443

too true.

You see the comments in boards travel section that Cork people find Rosslare like the other end of the world, and on the continent anything more than a couple of hours drive is seen as equivalent to the Le Mans 24 hours, they either avoid long drives like the plague or like the bossman above, have relatively unnecessary comfort stops.

The media articles slanting Evs really need to acknowledge this and show that for a large chunk of drivers that even an Ev with relatively low range would be fine.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796373#Comment_121796373

Polestar is massively overpriced for what it is

BYD isn’t within an ass roar of replacing Kia and Hyundai. It like the Tesla, are people will buy because they think it’s funky etc, then it will fall short of the dramatic taking over the World

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796417#Comment_121796417

Diesel will always have a market, I’m sure people posted 5 years ago the same thing. It’s still a hugely successful fuel and excellent for some requirements

Dacia will be bought by Dacia buyers, BYD will be bought by similar, they will eat each others market share.

Try telling someone that is buy a new Merc/BMW/Audi/Vw and even a Tesla they will be buying a Dacia in 5 years and they will rightly laugh at you.

CalamariFritti

Late to the thread and not on top of things information wise but for me a massive concern would be initial outlay, depreciation and resale value. Like how much is a 3, 4 or 5 year old EV going to be worth especially wrt battery degradation? Like what will that same degradation do to range which is even at brand new and most optimistic values only just ok.

Am I wrong?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800149#Comment_121800149

You buy a 3-4 yr old at 35-40% the price and still with 95+% the range.

ColemanY2K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800149#Comment_121800149

Do you need 300km each day? Because that's what half decent EV's can currently do. Pop over to the ID3 thread and you can see owners report only 5 to 6% battery degradation after 3 years.

As for outlay a 4 year old ID3 can be picked up for under 20k with the initial whack of depreciation behind it. That's on par with ice cars of a similar spec.

ColemanY2K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800067#Comment_121800067

Well if you bothered to look in the byd seal thread you'll find multiple boardsies who've traded their beemers and tesla for the seal so in 2024 you're already way off the mark nevermind in 2027 to 2030.

...and why would a VW polo driver laugh at me for suggesting a Dacia Spring or VW Tiguan driver buy a Atto 3??? I never said or suggested someone driving a 530d will be hopping into a Dacia Spring in 3 to 5 years 🤣🤣🤣

CalamariFritti

Thats not so bad, must look into this.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800422#Comment_121800422

If you say so 👍

Next time I will list out every possible car change and model just to clarify for you 👍

In regards to diesel, people will still be selling diesel in 5 years no problem.

Electric is just a fuel, like other fuels used in cars.

RoboRat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121800149#Comment_121800149

I understand people's concerns regarding battery and yes, the battery will degrade but not to the levels that many think. It's also worth noting and it's often overlooked in the discussion, that ICE engines will also lose performance and fuel efficiency.

ICE engines have many components that need replacement that are not present with an EV. Oil, fuel filters, and regular servicing are vital to keeping an ICE performing optimally, but there will always be carbon build-up. Then you have other things like timing belts, exhaust, DPF, ignition coils /spark plugs, etc. The drivetrain in an ICE vehicle contains around 2,000 moving parts, whereas the drivetrain in an EV contains around 20... plus there is no carbon build-up to worry about.

Naysayers will always circle back to the battery, but battery tech has improved immensely in the last 10 years. Spin-off companies that can replace cells rather than batteries are popping up and batteries are lasting a lot longer now. People understand how to manage and maintain their battery and they know how to get the most of out them. Most new batteries will outlast the car nowadays.

RoboRat

Try telling someone that is buy a new Merc/BMW/Audi/Vw and even a Tesla they will be buying a Dacia in 5 years and they will rightly laugh at you.

Of course they would and it's laughable to even suggest this. A Merc driver will probably buy an EQS, A BMW driver will probably opt for an i4, an Audi driver an eTron, and so forth. Some may look at other brands that have better tech or better range.

BYD isn’t within an ass roar of replacing Kia and Hyundai. It like the Tesla, are people will buy because they think it’s funky etc, then it will fall short of the dramatic taking over the World

Funnily enough, I remember when both Hyundai and Kia came to these shores and many in the trade said the same thing about those brands... Kia to a lesser extent as Hyundai had already rocked the market. Both of them took big chunks out of Ford, Opel, and other well-established brands. I don't think BYD will replace Hyundai or Kia as they can see the threat and they have adapted, but it will affect their profit margins.

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121797033#Comment_121797033

Why would I have random Dublin trips?

Cork is 30 min away

People living rurally tend to not "go home for the weekend", they are at home.

People who do that already live in a city

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801436#Comment_121801436

I can only speak of the people I know and some do lots of ad hoc long distance journeys. Both into the city. But also between where they live and where family live (elderly parents for example).

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121787761#Comment_121787761

They should have had the EV market completely tied up years ago.

No matter their bet on Hydrogen all they needed do was push off from the Prius, in parallel. It was right there for them to take and they fluffed it

Norrie Rugger Head

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801576#Comment_121801576

Again that's weird though, why move rurally somewhere which is also beyond an EV journey from family. Would have to be a very minority subset

People tend to move into cities, to work, and "go home" to parents at weekends. They are not, then, rural dwellers.

Miniscule amount of people would be born in a rural area, and them move several hundred kilometers to a different rural area

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801650#Comment_121801650

I assume most people don't decide on where they live, work, or have family based on the range of their EV.

ColemanY2K

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801309#Comment_121801309

I am saying so and I'm also saying diesels will still be sold in 5 years (i never said they wouldn't) it's just the roads will be a lot more full of EVs as a result of cheaper EVs, governments putting the squeeze on diesel and the public infrastructure having greatly improved. If you don't think the motoring landscape will not be radically different in 5 years time then you're only codding yourself.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802142#Comment_121802142

I think its changes dramatically even in the last 18 months.