"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561963#Comment_121561963

You appear to be contradicting yourself now as you're now distancing yourself from the idea of decentralisation.

Anyhow, there is nothing stopping employers allowing remote working so if you think it is a panacea, why isn't it being more widely adopted (and given commuting traffic volumes it clearly is not being widely adopted!)?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562089#Comment_121562089

I think you need to have a look back at the thread.

I didn't propose decentralization.

Nor did I propose remote working as a panacea. I suggested it might take some pressure off urban centers. That's pretty much the opposite of a panacea.

We can have a discussion about what more can be done to support remote working, but I'd suggest that's getting off topic a little?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561686#Comment_121561686

Well you're fairly narrowing the goalposts now talking about undergraduate degrees only!

There's a plethora of incentives to retrain people in IT and pharma. Pretty much nothing for construction.

Besides I'd suggest a fair degree of kids considering construction trades might not consider college as an alternative, at least that was the situation when I was at that age.

When I started an apprenticeship, you could afford a room in a house share and a night out on the wages. That ain't happening now. So if you don't have financial support from parents it's likely you're only option will be a higher paid entry level job.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562214#Comment_121562214

And you got paid throughout your apprenticeship while college undergraduates got nothing.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561902#Comment_121561902

The median price could get to 300K, but only if you build a shed tonne of house for 300K and under, which at the moment its pretty hard to do.

Even the under 300K houses for sale right now in Dublin would need another 50-100K spent on them to bring them up to current standards based on todays costs.

"Get their act together and address the problem properly" do you have suggestions?

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562011#Comment_121562011

How do you restrict demand? Isnt this just another way of saying "subsidize"?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562222#Comment_121562222

I've not denied this but also I could live independently on an apprentice salary at the time. That would be impossible at today's 8euro per hour minus college fees.

There's no denying either that this government has incentivized people towards other careers through paid conversion courses and higher paid apprenticeships, but not done the same for construction trades.

This was done because these industries, namely IT and pharma, were deemed strategically important. Yet construction, despite the obvious devastating outcomes of ignoring it, was not.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562146#Comment_121562146

You were the one who put forwards the possibility of remote qorking with decentralisation...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561526#Comment_121561526

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561644#Comment_121561644

If you didn't think it was a panacea, why even mention it? Nonetheless, it still doesn't detract from the fact that MLMD's idea of a 300k house in Dublin is clear and utter nonsense

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562362#Comment_121562362

...ould mary is just being a typical politician, and talking sh1te about housing, we ve entered the big election competition, i.e. talk sh1te, in order to try increase support, all will be at this until the actual ge

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562362#Comment_121562362

I didn't put forward the idea of decentralization. It was very, very much another user.

I only qualified that it was tried in another era before remote-working.

I suggested remote-working might play a part in tackling urban population pressure, hardly a novel idea I'll admit.

You now correctly acknowledge I wasn't suggesting a panacea, but suggest then I should!!! Why? How many problems have a quick and easy, one size fits all solution, which is what the term means?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panacea_%28medicine%29

Sometimes I don't know why I bother with you lot!

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121561870#Comment_121561870

Wasn’t that the reason it failed the first time? People who lived it Dublin didn’t want to live in Letterkenny, whether it was full time office, blended, or fully remote. So I’m not sure why that poster thinks remote working makes a policy of decentralisation any more likely to succeed, remote working means the public servants can continue to live in Dublin even though the Dept might be in Letterkenny, if they are required to be in the office, then in all probability there will be resistance to being forced to relocate.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562494#Comment_121562494

I didn't put forward the idea of decentralization. It was very, very much another user.

I only qualified that it was tried in another era before remote-working.

I didn't state that you did. Your suggestion was that it hadn't been done with remote working so you obviously think the two are a viable option.

You now correctly acknowledge I wasn't suggesting a panacea, but suggest then I should!!! Why? How many problems have a quick and easy, one size fits all solution, which is what the term means?

I certainly did not acknowledge that.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother with you lot!

Nobody is stopping you from leaving here!

drop table Users

Time to inject some reality into this thread

1. we are already at record building levels above Celtic tiger
2. migration below Celtic tiger
3. people are not getting into insane debt like they done during Celtic tiger days
4. we are not in a baby boom

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562612#Comment_121562612

I don't think that chart is accurate. There was 93000 dwellings built in 2006, your chart says only about 25000 built.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/number-of-houses-built-at-35-year-low/26619071.html

Some 93,419 houses were built in 2006; 78,027 in 2007; 51,724 in 2008; and 26,420 in 2009.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562612#Comment_121562612

....so we re now building over the record high of 90,000 units post crash, go ffg!

...credit is still actually playing a vital role in our property markets, but since we have a serious supply problem, theres a limited number of people getting into serious debt, the other potentials are currently stuck in the rental sector, or worse.....

those that can get access to credit, are actually acquiring large amounts of debt doing so, i.e. again, a numbers game, less amount of people, but overall, large amounts of debt in many individual cases, and in some cases long term mortgages to....i have family currently in this game, just bought a 400k bog standard house, mostly debt, so they ll be happily repaying that into their 70's, happy days, everyones a winner!

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562724#Comment_121562724

Few financed house buyers are anything other than mostly debt when they take out a mortgage. Your family member now has a home instead of having to pay rent, so what are you complaining about?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562779#Comment_121562779

what i and in fact they are complaining about is, their siblings and peers are effectively fcuked, and they know it, and have a guess where theyre sill going with their votes!

...again, ffg are in big trouble!

again, financialisation of the whole process of housing has failed, and spectacularly so!

..oh and also, dont forget, some have decided, lets burn everything, in order to solve this....

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0102/1424381-ringsend-fire/

the anti brigade are here folks, so get ready!

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562826#Comment_121562826

By any chance do you know which detail of SFs plan on how to deal with the housing/health crisis appealed to them most? I’m sure you asked them.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562838#Comment_121562838

..its the fact sf represents a change, a potential difference in approach, this is exactly whats happening in many other advanced economies around the world, why we re now experiencing a rapid rise in the alternatives, the established parties are screwed, as its clearly obvious its polices have failed. again, details dont matter, hence why the extremes are being voted in, if you think ireland is safe from this, if you think ffg are gonna be fine after the next ge, you re gonna be shocked

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562855#Comment_121562855

Change is not always better. And definitely will not be better with SF in power.

The moaners who are currently moaning about not being able to afford a house will still be moaning when they have no job and a worse economy and still unable to buy a house, after SF go Truss/Kwarteng on steroids.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562855#Comment_121562855

I do agree with you that people seem to be voting for change, Trump, Brexit etc, but I think you are wrong to assume that the majority will vote for SF, and I suspect that at some stage the more intelligent voters will want to know just how SF are going to achieve change, details do matter.

Can you give us some insight on what you think SF voters will look for, or do you think people will just swallow the BS?

sameoldname

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562855#Comment_121562855

SF are offering tax cuts and spending increases with an enlarged construction sector (If you believe them). How in the name of Christ is that a difference in approach for this country?

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562233#Comment_121562233

I suppose stop/prevent funds and non-households from buying new houses?

Stop LA from buying new houses, let them only build new houses, not buy new houses?

Same goes for AHB?

Stop foreign funds from buying houses?

Restrict immigration? If AS was brought to zero, and UKR refugees was halved, then demand for accomm would drop.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562855#Comment_121562855

We might end up with a SF led government after the next election, but the reality is they are moving more towards the center and moving away from some of the crazier stuff. We will have EO'B as housing minister, so we will see if he actually knows what he is talking about or if he is basically all college experience (new grad). It is very easy to point to other successful countries and say we should do what they are doing, it's much harder to implement as governments aren't moving chess pieces around a board, they are dealing with lot's of vested self interests (including individuals who may or may not decide to get into the construction industry). We will also have David "up the ra" Cullinaine as minister for health, no comment needed...

When it inevitably turns out to be a bit harder to solve than they made out, what are they going to say? Nobody cares about excuses. They will have a year or 2 and then they will own the problems. Nobody cared that post 2008 until at least 2015/2016 we were still in the housing bubble recession (we only dropped below 10% unemployment rate in 2015). Certainly nobody cares that we had the pandemic from 2020-2021 and the Ukraine war and the resulting inflation. So any suggestion that the voters will be willing to give SF 10 years to solve the problems and be patient are absolutely delusional.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562548#Comment_121562548

Jaysus, get your story straight.

And you might want to thank me for showing you what the word panacea means, though it still doesn't look like you get it.

It's clear I'm needed here so I'll stick around, but could you do a bit better than going around in your daft circles and jumping to 'obvious' false conclusions?

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562612#Comment_121562612

Where did you get that image from?

downtheroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121563110#Comment_121563110

The anti establishment / expecting a free house voters who will put SF into power in the next election will not be one bit impressed when these houses do not materialise within a 5 year term (I'll be shocked if SF manage a full term to be honest) and power will return to a coalition of FG/FF.

Homer Simpson as sanitation commissioner will be played out in real life.

MegamanBoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562536#Comment_121562536

I don't know if I'm the poster you're ascribing that view to?

I don't think we should be trying decentralisation for a second time.

I think there's a possibility to use remote working to lesson the need for people to live as closely to urban centres, and bring about some of the desired effects of decentralisation through this approach.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562855#Comment_121562855

Communism would be a change , Khmer Rouge would also be a change.

Change doesn't mean better.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121562924#Comment_121562924

I think SF might have an issue with stopping immigration.

So you want to kill off the buy to let market? If houses drop to 300K then everyone and their dog will be back at the BTL job. Because we know that prices will increase again.

The only way this works is if its cheap social housing that the state maintains ownership of. It wont be houses it will be blocks of flats because if anyone starts subsidizing houses down to 300K the market will crash.