Importing Slurry on paper‐-‐---What's in it for me?

Austinbrick

Happy Christmas All! I hope Santa was as good as Hewick today!!! Now that Chitty Chitty Bang Bang , my Fair Lady and The Great Escape are over, Would people mind sharing their opinion on the following. Thanks in advance.

2 Farm advisors have asked to import neighbours' slurry. We have done it before for both without asking for anything. Or anything being offered to us.

However, after joining Acres and hiring a Farm Advisor, I have in the process become more aware of Farm Knowledge,including Nutrients.

Should I be looking for something in return from either farmer for helping them with their Nutrients Plan ( N and P).

One figure mentioned is 350m3 or 77000gallons which we can accommodate.

I think it would be fair to look for some of that slurry or ask for 700 to 1000 Euro.

Something along those lines. What do the dairy Farmers think? We Farm beef and Sucklers.

Austinbrick

That should read Nitrates instead of Nutrients!!!

Say my name

If you have the tank capacity then take all the slurry.

It's as simple as that.

TinyMuffin

Don’t take in slurry unless you get the slurry and maybe payment and are allowed. As my advisor told me let them stew in their own slurry.

alps

There is no such thing as "on paper" .

When tf will this industry learn?

Tell them put the slurry in your tank.

Lime Tree Farm

My neighbour has no stock, he was facilitating another who has - on paper. Dept asked him to undertake soil testing.

Danny healy ray

I think 3 or 400 would be great money I would do it for nothing to help a farmer hit hard by a ass%ole of agriculture minister

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058328409/importing-slurry-on-paper-whats-in-it-for-me

Foolish man, neighbours gaining and nothing in it for you .They didn't even offer anything. Gather they are dairy farmers. Can't believe anyone would expect this . Well not quite true I suppose they are dairy farmers. Are you not afraid of an inspection or of being reported?

Donald Trump

Well, regardless of anything else, I think it is bad form that it is the advisor asking you rather than the farmer himself checking the idea with you first.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538639#Comment_121538639

There would be less need for such shenanigans if the armchair lads let go of their maps ...........

(Not a reference to the OP by any means. I mean actual armchair lads still trying to draw BISS and pretending they are working the place but in reality setting it to someone else)

Austinbrick

One farmer did check with us first alright.

If We are within our nitrates level but don't have capacity for remainder of this year , is it technically illegal to get the exporter to store it and spread it / deliver it next year ( if he agreed). I'd imagine so. And if so, should I just refuse then to stay legal and do things right?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538977#Comment_121538977

No more or less legal than signing the form to say you took it in if you didn't. I'm assuming/guessing it is supposed to on your holding when you sign

For delivering it and spreading it ........... that might depend on him and might depend on the area too. You'd need to sort that out between yourselves.........with the price of fertiliser he might have no shortage of people to take it away.

Austinbrick

In order to stay legal and do things right.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538444#Comment_121538444

That's your own choice. But there may be a day when you need help with something. You need a lend of a lifter for a cow that's down etc. Even a hand taking a calf.

Or there could come a day when a few of the dairy lads in the area give up and plough their farms and you get knock on changes like finding out that the local vets closed up due to reduced business and the ones now covering your area are 30 miles away.

Water John

It's becoming a risk. Slurry needs to actually travel, at this point. The loop is closed.

ruwithme

If it suits you to take it, work away. You'd want a commitment from them to spread it on your land when that suits you best.

If not, don't waste your time with them. Like most other thing's in life, if ones back is too the wall, you'd pay to get out of the situation.

epfff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058328409/importing-slurry-on-paper-whats-in-it-for-me

You should be getting the slurry.

If you in an area that has high stocking rate you could look for them to cover the cost of spreading as well.

JeffKenna

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539075#Comment_121539075

I dunno, with all the talk coming from the department with regard to the bogus movement of slurry it seems a risk for someone to declare receiving it if they didn't.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539322#Comment_121539322

I was more referring to the looking for payment for it on top of it being spread and the "let them stew" aspect of the post.

JeffKenna

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539368#Comment_121539368

Ah fair enough, mistook you. Valid point in that case.

blue5000

When is the deadline for taking it in, 31st December? If your p&k indices are low I think you should look for the slurry before signing up. I helped people out before and never got anything for it, not even a word of thanks, boot is on the other foot now though.

emaherx

I'd definitely take the slurry if you have capacity, you are still helping the farmer who would be otherwise over their nitrates limits.

What's the penalty for you if you are caught helping them fraudulently? I wouldn't be risking my own BISS payment so someone else can keep theirs.

At least taking the slurry you reduce your fertilizer requirements for next year.

Sacrolyte

What’s the story with the 70% grant for farmers with a contract to import slurry. What does it intail?

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539599#Comment_121539599

Could be getting them to cover soil testing for you maybe. It would be in their interests as it might increase what you can take

zetor 4911

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539846#Comment_121539846

The limiting factor with importing in most cases is the phosphorous in the imported slurry this is where penalties can occur. So it is important that if you are taking in slurry you need to have soil samples showing a requirement for phosphorous.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539867#Comment_121539867

That was my point. If you are taking in slurry for someone regularly, you could at least point out to them that you need them to soil test the place for you. I assume the allowed level is maintenance amount if you have no tests. If an advisor is doing the "paperwork" for you, then they should be aware of that too

Water John

Grand to operate within the rules. I suspect in future many organic farmers, like me, will be glad of the nutrient input if it matches.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539322#Comment_121539322

Yes the same as all the people that signed their BPS application this year saying they had stock grazing all their land when they hadnt. I wonder will this ever be checked?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121540129#Comment_121540129

Hard to know, certainly satellite imagery and that flown by aircraft is used to monitor land use within the EU. But this is better at tracking tillage and forestry. Depends how much human checking there is I guess and there could be spot checks. AI is getting better too all the time at analysing imagery.

The advantage Irish farmers have here is that we tend to get a lot of cloud cover over Ireland due to Atlantic etc

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121540129#Comment_121540129

Ultimately, there is no absolute requirement to have stock. One way of meeting the active farmer test is to have 1 livestock unit per 25 acres. But it isn't the only way

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121541081#Comment_121541081

Maybe I remembered it wrong. It could be the acres scheme There is a box to be ticked that you are grazing the land .If you don't answer this question you cannot complete the application.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058328409/importing-slurry-on-paper-whats-in-it-for-me

If it's just a paper exercise then 100% look for something in return. You are really helping them out by signing that you took it in. Otherwise, get the slurry from them. At least it's all above board then,

I'm in the same boat. Neighbouring farm used to give us his excess slurry. Then when the fertiliser prices went bananas it was €35/1000 gallons. We pulled out and didn't agree. 12 months ago he asked us to take slurry on paper and we got nothing in return after the father agreed - no money, thanks or slurry. He was also dumping it in his field Christmas week when his tanks were full. Same craic now this year. Got the call on Friday looking to repeat the trick of paper transfer. I've said this year I get the amount of slurry, or €35/1000 gallons that gets put down. Waiting for the callback.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542067#Comment_121542067

I wouldn't have any sympathy for him if you had been taking it off him when it wasn't worth much and then when it was, he was trying to ask for money for it................and him needing to shift it

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542067#Comment_121542067

Advising someone to do a paper exercise is bullshit. Overapplied then on the home block. Scamming of the highest order that has us phuqed bigtime with nitrates and regulations and a whole waft more coming because a group treat this with wreckless abandon..

lmk123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542067#Comment_121542067

Fair play to you good enough for him

Austinbrick

That's the s**t I'm talking about Alps!! Fair Play to you!

Austinbrick

On a more serious note, thanks to all the contributors for knowledge and information shared. I will let ye know the outcome . It's great to get the different viewpoints.Thanks.

paddysdream

The going rate for maps for slurry is 10 euro per 1k gallons.77k gallons would be 770 euro to you.

Had a lad ring me (Christmas week) number of years ago to see if I would take 45k gallons on paper.Said grand but what's in it for me.He was rather taken aback but I said spread it whenever the weather picks up in the spring.He did so but surprisingly he never asked again.Same lad used to spend the summers drawing in pig slurry to his own ground.

Big push on maps every year .Once upon a time people expected it as a favour but that's long gone.Its a business transaction so either get the slurry spread or get paid.

Kevhog1988

I'd gladly take Slurry if I could get it in spring 😅.

MIKEKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542062#Comment_121542062

It appears that it is the BISS application

Austinbrick

I asked one of the contenders by text if he would do a deal . He replied after a while that he is OK for this year. (After all)

I will run it by the other neighbour tomorrow.

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542302#Comment_121542302

we are the opposite to what’s being spoken about here…. Drew slurry to a lad last year that told us he’d sign no problem…. End of year got some blah blah excuse that he couldn’t sign… this year I asked him bout signing before I spread anything on his land… he said he checked and yeah work away… slurry spread… he did soil tests in October which I wasn’t told needed to be done… we were ringing him constantly up to Xmas but soil tests haven’t come back yet apparently… so he won’t be signing this yr either… he won’t be getting slurry again until he signs for it first…

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542302#Comment_121542302

I tried to make a similar point recently about abusing maps. It wasn't long till the consensus was that I was just bitter.

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121546056#Comment_121546056

Well, maybe not, if carbon credits can be traded, why not slurry credits.

emaherx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121546069#Comment_121546069

I'd wager carbon spreads out in the atmosphere more, we all share the same sky, it doesn't work the same putting slurry in the ground. Actually exporting the slurry to cover more ground would be more like your analogy.

Carbon credits generally contain more bull **** than our slurry anyway.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121542302#Comment_121542302

There is a high chance of "overapplication" on the home block regardless of whether there is a need for export or not.

cosatron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121545923#Comment_121545923

This happened to us this year aswell. Acres has balls made of exporting slurry. We export slurry and we don't look for anything, we are just happy to have some place to put it once they sign but it's very tricky this year

Water John

Well two very opposite views, should one be priviliged to receive the slurry or should one be glad to find a home for it.

Mooooo

Test the slurry, see what the equivalent value in artificial fert cost and work from there. Discount for cost of spreading if need be

893bet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121546283#Comment_121546283

Both. It’s a win win for both parties.

The problem is the lads wanting “paper export” so they can have their cake and eat it.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121546425#Comment_121546425

There's also the lad who could have gotten it for free, but who was looking for money on top, who will now end up paying for chemical fertiliser!