Athletics 2024 (Mod note #869)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122263677#Comment_122263677

Yeah it's odd of you to pick that out when there was a clear differentiation made between racial thugs and people with genuine concerns about resources made in my post.

My post was a response to a comment made earlier about immigration It was relevant.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122263781#Comment_122263781

Rhasidat's story is totally linked to immigration though, as the child of immigrants and with no 'blood' link to Ireland. The racists are claiming that is impossible for such a person to be Irish, even if born in the country.

secman

Cretins really have diminished understanding, using their illogical logic, there are virtually no Americans in America, no Australians in Australia , sure half of us are from Vikings. Utter dumb twats with access to keyboards.

Well done Rashidat 👏 Super proud of you and you did more for the country than than any of those cretins could even dream of.

DangerMouse27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122261934#Comment_122261934

If the plan was designed with anyone in mind, other than the athlete themselves, then it's coach who might have some learning to do.

Coaches are never infallible. Control your own race.

Klaver/Kaczmarek are high quality athletes to ever react to whatever else is going on around them. I think Klaver was just rusty in her mixed relay leg. It became a very lazy trope during the championships to list her as someone who goes out too fast and burns up.

Kaczmarek was just too physically strong for Rhashidat.

400m is so complex in terms of what the body is going through.

DangerMouse27

Back to the athletics.

Is Ciara Mageean racing again before the Games?

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122264391#Comment_122264391

Good call.

I don’t believe she is. She mentioned in an interview that she is heading back to Saint Moritz tomorrow for a hard 5/6 week training block. It didn’t sound like any of the diamond league meets are in her plans. Worryingly for Ciara, Laura Muir et. al. Faith Kipyegon won the 1500m at the Kenyan champs in 3.53 at altitude!

Who will be competing frequently in the coming weeks is Sophie Becker. She’s chasing the 50.95 qualifying standard. If she doesn’t get it, she wants to secure qualification on world rankings.

Ceepo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122264409#Comment_122264409

Ciara mentioned in an interview with Pat Kenny that she might do both Nationals and Monaco GP.

Hamachi

A result from a meeting in Guelph during the week that has implications for the women’s 4x400m relay in the Olympics. Three of Canada’s top female 400m athletes were in action.

Lauren Gale ran 50.47, Zoe Sherar ran 50.79, and Madeline Price ran 51.4x. Canada also has a few other strong 400m women like Grace Konrad and Kyra Constantine. They were fourth in Budapest and will clearly be a force again in Paris. Another strong competitor for Ireland…

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122263765#Comment_122263765

Im very upset about this post, it sounds like you're almost trying to saying I'm ractist. Ive reported it by the way.

orangerhyme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122262118#Comment_122262118

It's an obvious thing to say but she should delete all her socials and not engage with it.

The majority of messages are positive but there'll always be a few idiots.

Lots of them aren't even Irish.

Hazel Chu gets awful abuse online also.

Westernview

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265568#Comment_122265568

Reported for what? Miss Adeleke was born here 21 years ago and her mother worked hard and made big sacrifices for her to represent Ireland. Why bring up people's concerns about immigration and rascism in lots of other areas? I see a lot of this whataboutery nonsense on social media diverting from serious racial incidents. Disgraceful how she was treated this week.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265693#Comment_122265693

If your problem was about bringing up immigration then what you should have done is attacked the post about immigration which was

'Horrendous to hear but it was entirely predictable - the racist scum / Irish white supremacists were always going to go after Rhasidat once she started winning medals.

We seem to have a very particular problem with this racist pondlife in Ireland (especially this year with their "concerns" around immigration and refugees plastered all over social media). Black athletes in the UK and in Europe don't seem to get anywhere near this level of vitriolic abuse.'

This is the post I was responding to where I differentiated between racial thugs and people with genuine concern about their resources.

It seems to me like you jumped on the bandwagon with the other poster and decided you'd have a pop at me.

If you dont think this thread should relate to immigration then this is the post you should be referencing.

People who are concerned about their stretched resources have every right to be differenciated from racial thugs no matter what site or post it pops up on.

If you actually followed my previous posts on the athletics thread you would clearly see how much I admire African runners. In fact at one stage I felt I was being isolated from this thread because I was supporting them over the Irish where it was clear they were faster runners e.g. in the 1500m.

Thats the problem with this thread, people get hopped on when they don't agree with certain posters.

Westernview

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265744#Comment_122265744

That poster criticised those trying to justify their anti immigrant sentiment by saying they have 'concerns' and I criticised you for referring to the same concerns. So I'm fine with what the poster said.

I believe people should be able to outrightly condemn racist remarks towards an irish athlete on an athletics thread without making an argument against immigration in general. It's disingenuous

Sandwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122265744#Comment_122265744

I still don't think your distinction was necessary. The original poster mentioned that these nazi scumbags are constantly ranting on social media about immigration, which they are, all the time. The question of resources and genuine concerns was raised by you and is often used as a fig leaf by these creeps to justify their campaigns of hatred. I'm not accusing you of justifying the attacks on Rhasidat but I just thought it struck an odd note and wasn't helpful. And personally I think if people can't tell the difference between a far right rally and a housing protest then they're either idiots or liars.

Strazdas

If there is one piece of good news to come out of all this, many election candidates from all parties say they were treated with kindness and courtesy on the doorsteps when out canvassing (and were surprised and had been anticipating trouble). It would appear that the racist scum who have been harassing Rhasidat exist mainly on social media - they are no reflection of the real Ireland we live in. Also, the huge show of support for her in the last 24 hours has been very encouraging.

Dodge

shame you can’t block users on here using mobile

RacoonQueen

MOD NOTE:

Needless to say, what this thread is currently discussing is potentially going to be a minefield to moderate.

Please remember there are forums to discuss race, identity, and immigration. To anyone who doesn't ordinarily post in this forum: We do not discuss politics here. If you wish to discuss whether or not particular athletes should be representing Ireland, this is not the forum for it.

Any posts deemed to be racist or racial baiting will NOT be tolerated, and will result in an immediate ban.

To everyone else, please report what you see and be patient with us as we get to reviews and action.

yerwanthere123

Adeleke is born and raised in Tallaght, Dublin. Ireland is the only home she's ever known. Anyone who thinks she's not Irish because of her skin colour is racist. Everyone should be offended by racism, and call it out when it occurs, particularly so in the case of a young Irish woman who's achieving great things for our country. For you to try and defend these people and to try and explain away their behaviour well, you're just as bad as them really.

Water John

It really is what Rasidat feels about what being said, not any of us. And we know from her coach how it has affected her.

We have been represented at these European games by wonderful role models, all.

DangerMouse27

Callum Baird with a 46.22 yesterday. Nick Griggs back in action too. 46.22 is decent from Baird. Suggests he is knocking hard on 45s door. That's his second in that range for the season.

Oh and anyone mentioning anything to do with race, this is not the thread for you. If you love the sport you'll just stfu and comment on the athletes and athletics.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122266991#Comment_122266991

What meet was that? Agree that Baird is really hammering on the door of 45s. That 45.14 anchor leg in Rome suggests he is capable of 45.8x/45.9x right now.

Another performance in that range may be enough to get him into the mixed relay pool for Paris.

pc11

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122254282#Comment_122254282

God almighty, after all this you can't even bother your arse getting even CLOSE to getting her name right.

"Rashede" FFS

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122267509#Comment_122267509

Keep your knickers on. Corrected now. All good!!

DangerMouse27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122267413#Comment_122267413

Lagan Valley anniversary. Seemed to be a real treat with some sub 4 minute miles.

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/five-sub-four-minute-miles-at-lagan-valley-anniversary-meet-7IGYYPHO5BDJFDXZJKLXSDOQ4Q/

DangerMouse27

https://www.irishnews.com/sport/five-sub-four-minute-miles-at-lagan-valley-anniversary-meet-7IGYYPHO5BDJFDXZJKLXSDOQ4Q/

Ah that's better.

Shelly-Ann Fraser Pryce ran yesterday at a pre trails competition in Jamaica. 11.15. She won't pull many trees up with that but it would be some story if she can make another games.

DangerMouse27

Emannuel Wanyonyi! 1:41.70! At the Kenyan Olympic Trials.

Third fastest 800m in history.

History might have something to say about Kenyan athletics, but for now, he's put a hell of a time out there.

Tombo2001

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122268670#Comment_122268670

Thats a full 3 seconds faster than the fastest time ran at the recent Euros, which is circa 25 meters on the track.

On a bit of a segue - the fastest time at the recent Euros was set by Paul Anselmini of France in the first round. He ran a 1.44.73. A time that would have won the final…. but he didnt make it out of the semifinal.

Tombo2001

I wonder what race had the most Irish sub-4 minute mile finishes….

Pherekydes

Mark English new NR tonight in Turku, 1:44:69. Auto Q for Paris. Also, Cathal Doyle and Luke McCann finished 1-2 in 3:34.xx

12.66 for Sarah Lavin, too. Back to form.

Hamachi

Was just coming post those results from the Paavo Nurmi games.

The 1500m results bring Luke McCann inside the quota for Paris and Cathal Doyle is just outside. They will likely both make Paris.

Great to see Mark English lower the national record. Sarah Lavin will almost certainly lower the 100m hurdles record before Paris.

Tom Barr still struggling a bit for form. 49.46 for fourth over the 400m hurdles. Good night for the Irish overall.

In other news, Marcel Jacobs is back with 9.92 over 100m. He may yet defend that Olympic title after all.

Cosmo Kramer

Great run from English, a pity it wasn't a week ago!

Incidentally I wonder is the 800m the only Irish record over a championship distance that isn't the fastest time run by an Irishman? I can't think of any other cases like that.

Raoul Duke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277490#Comment_122277490

Maybe my brain isn't working right this morning, but I just can't work out what you mean here - the only distance that has a faster time than the Irish record? Who ran it faster and didn't get the record?

Cosmo Kramer

James McIlroy ran 1:44:65 for his PB almost 20 years ago. James was Irish and ran for Ireland but later switched to GB and was representing them when he ran the time, so it doesn't count as an Irish record. Mark English obviously very close to that time now with his new National Record.

McIlroy himself has expressed frustration that he's not classed as the Irish national record holder, but it can't be counted so English's time is listed as a NR.

omicron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277490#Comment_122277490

Sinead Diver in the marathon?

Cosmo Kramer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277709#Comment_122277709

Yes, that's a good one, hadn't appreciated she had run faster than the Irish record. Another might possibly be Adeleke's wind assisted 100m run recently, if you were counting that.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277896#Comment_122277896

Sarah Lavin has the Irish 100m record right now at 11.27, so it is held by an Irish athlete representing this country.

Only a matter of time before Adeleke gets it though.

yerwanthere123

Erriyon Knighton tested positive for Trenbolone in March but USADA already have him cleared.

https://x.com/Cathal_Dennehy/status/1803516205518422482?t=CHIXIYB9xTwz7Mi5xdA8kw&s=19

I do wonder if WADA might have something to say about this..

Hamachi

Two Irish in action in Poland this evening.

Sarah Lavin won the 100m hurdles in 12.73. 12.7x seems to be her new baseline which is impressive.

Tom Barr with a new season’s best of 48.79 to finish second over the 400m hurdles. That’s a terrific result for him. First sub 49 for several seasons. It suggests things are starting to click just in time for Paris.

4Ad

There is going to be a segment on The Last Word on TodayFM later in regards funding for Irish athletes and trainers…

Maybe if they could get some of the 76 million the horse racing industry gets might help….

yerwanthere123

Athletics moving to the opening week of the 2028 Olympics

https://x.com/WorldAthletics/status/1804196198598746347?t=OThZvbS-AmxL9O7KFFXwNQ&s=19

I can see this being reversed. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I'd say athletics is still the most popular sport with casual fans?

greyday

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288387#Comment_122288387

Maybe they should be funded without resorting to the horse and greyhound fund which provides jobs for many thousands, the funding for all sport in this Country should be increased for no other reason than it gives a huge amount of people a lift to see Irish Sports people excel on the international stage.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122288966#Comment_122288966

It definitely would be with most viewers worldwide, yes. I notice though the US always dominates the swimming medals table (they won 16 golds in Rio in 2016 and 33 overall). I guess this is all about pleasing the American TV audience - presumably they get bigger ratings for swimming than for athletics in the Olympics.

Pherekydes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122277636#Comment_122277636

History now, as English just ran 1:44.53 in Madrid.

Pherekydes

Also in Madrid, Sharlene Mawdsley ran 50.82, Sarah Healy 2:01.30 and Nick Griggs 3:35.64

Forgot about Nicola Tuthill, who threw 69.33m. She's very consistent. Augurs well for the future.

Mr. Guappa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289086#Comment_122289086

The swimming is being held in SoFi stadium, where the opening ceremony will also take place. They needed to flip the swimming to the second week to allow enough time for SoFi be converted to a swimming venue after the opening ceremony.

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289662#Comment_122289662

Just saw the race. I think English could even have gone a bit faster had he been better positioned coming into the last 150m.

Off topic, I hate that green track in Madrid 😊

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289681#Comment_122289681

Good to see Mawdsley consistently sub-51. The athletes in that race are of the standard that she will face in the 400m heats in Paris. She’s looking good to make the Olympic semi finals for sure, but she’s going to need to find another 0.5 seconds to get a sniff of the final.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122289870#Comment_122289870

That's interesting to hear, but it doesn't fully explain the switch either. If they wanted swimming in week 1 and athletics in week 2, they would have found a way to make it happen (especially with the Games four years away).

Fr D Maugire

I have been keeping an eye on the US Olympic trials, especially the 400m women. A surprise winner in Kendal Ellis who set a big PB of 49.46 at 28 years of age. In second was Alilyah Butler who didn't even make the NCAA 400m final with Alexis Holmes in third. Kaylyn Brown who ran 49.13 to take 2nd at NCAAs was fourth . I am assuming it is the usual first 3 across the line make the team. I said before that the NCAAs are not a reliable guide, Looks like Brown didnt make the team whilst Rosey Effiong who was 4th at NCAAs didn't even make the Trials final. Talitha Diggs another who did not make the final this time around.

Shacarri Richardson won the Women's 100m and Noah Lyles the mens, but Christian Coleman was 4th behind Bendarek and Kerley.

And 16 year old Quincy Wilson made the mens 400m final with another sub 45 clocking

Dodge

it’s definitely first 3 across the line get the USA spots (provided they have the standard, which they nearly always will)

None of those US runners are medal contenders in Paris in the 400m. Sub 49 will be needed for a medal