Calf to beef thread

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122641160#Comment_122641160

I might be thinking of a mectin based pour - on instead of levafas. Sorry if I have muddied things!

Yes, best the the resident vet @greysidesspeaks up and clarifies for everyone.

tractorporn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122639485#Comment_122639485

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122640793#Comment_122640793

What he said.

It was the vet that recommended tramasole as they had had a mectin pour on bout 8 weeks ago

weatherbyfoxer

The mectin based products are the ones that cause the problem with a large burden of lungworm..levamisole and albenzole type products are safer for treating lungworm. Injectable and pour on ivermectin produce over use is a massive problem in this country..Haven't used a a ivermectin type product in 5 year on cattle here and dung samples are showing great results from levamisole and albenzole type doses

weatherbyfoxer

First few heifers nearly ready for the factory all late February 23 born and weight an avrage of 488kg 1 month ago..on 4kg of meal since weighing.what do people think of them for fat cover?..was planning on killing them all in 2 weeks

Anto_Meath

I was reading on Argiland the minister for agriculture is undecided on how to give the €40 for dairy beef calves. Maybe €20 for the breeder of the calf like this year and €20 for the farmer who rears the calf like last year. In reality is the €20 for the breeder of the calf any incentive to the dairy farmer?

mr.stonewall

I think the €40 should go to the rearer. I the past I would have been leaning towards the breeder and rearer.

A carefully designed scheme, which focuses on carcass weight confirmation index, genotyped with a CBV. Calves with valves which are below a certain tolerance from with the dam or sire would not be eligible. The reasoning for this is very simply to encourage breeding a better calf, with better beef potential from both the dam and sire. This would remove eligibility for calves in the following scenarios,

Farmer using a very easy calving bull with poor carcass weight and poor confirmation, especially with heifers

Farmer with a high% jex crossbred herd, expecting serious money by horsing in BB straws. Remember Aidan Brennan from the FJ this spring and is CBV comments

Not paying this on FR bull calves. Or just pay it on a low total % of calves purchased. This tightens the market for FR Bulls and forces more sexed semen

The focus on better calves has to be simple both sire and dam. Calf to beef farmers have to be asking for more data on the calves they are taking. If they are to claim this money they have to be rearing or requesting a genetically superior calf to qualify for this. Basically the top 50% of calves born should qualify. This adds a premium to these and moves the dial

If dairy farmers are realising that the direction in this way with getting calves moved and the day of the boat is disappearing, better consideration will be given breeding choices both towards replacement and terminal

ginger22

On the one hand the Government want to reduce livestock numbers and on the other they want to keep the calves in the country.

You couldn't make it up.

morphy87

What would most people give there dairy beef Calfs for the winter, nuts or ration? What percentage nut or ration would you give? I’ll be throwing this on top of silage, they are currently getting a nut

nhg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122723376#Comment_122723376

We feed nuts from when they come onto the farm at about 4-5 weeks of age until housed in late November (weather dependent), once in the slatted shed they only get silage, good grass when out & no nuts again until about 8 weeks before finishing….

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122723479#Comment_122723479

What weights did your cattle average this year at sale, or did you do an total average?

weatherbyfoxer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122723376#Comment_122723376

Depends on weight of calf and silage quality.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122723376#Comment_122723376

I give a little over 2lb of an 18% nut from Grennans to all weanlings. They really lick the troughs clean and they shine off it. And early May cut silage off reseeded ground. Average weight gain over last 2 winters was .625kg a day. I cut back to 1lb about 6 weeks before they go out and to zero 4 weeks before turnout.

morphy87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122723526#Comment_122723526

If they were 250kgs and silage was average,but I’m hoping to have top quality silage for the weanlings

morphy87

Did you ever test the silage that you feed them? Do you creep feed them on the cows?