Record homeless Figures yet again , now at 13,500.

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577705#Comment_121577705

If people are not voting for ff,fg,greens and dont like the idea of Sinn Fein getting hold of the reins. What's parties are left?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Is it just me or is are there suddenly a lot of anti-immigration alt-right accounts flowing into boards.ie...? They seem to be spreading like, eh, wildfire...

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578064#Comment_121578064

sounds like hell to you but it's normal for most people on the planet. the 20th century semi d urban sprawl and one off housing pattern we followed in ireland has led to all kinds of problems.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578105#Comment_121578105

yeah which is why this thread is pointless, we already have immigration threads going on, which is the cause of all our problems apparently

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578146#Comment_121578146

sadly such sentiments are winning, we re in serious trouble now regarding all of this, one of the only solutions to our housing problem is actually immigration, this clearly isnt gonna happen now, so our housing problems are here to stay for a very long time! get ready for a very messy period for ireland and europe at large!

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578171#Comment_121578171

yep, in the coming years, decades, if we think immigration is bad now, so many will be displaced by war, climate change, and so on. can't wait!

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577362#Comment_121577362

Yep problem solved

thinkabouit

I can tell yee from experience it isn’t that easy either to declare yourself homeless.

Anybody trying to get onto a social housing list will no the amounts of paper work & lenght of time it takes to get on it. Council’s are using every trick in the book to slow down applications.

Took me over 9 months from starting application to being accepted & allowed apply for social housing. Granted if you weren’t working i think it would be much faster as less paperwork to prove.

That’s way way to long imo

Then, you have to prove your lease has ended and prove where your staying at the moment etc & meet a homeless prevention officer (biggest waste of money ever but jobs for the boy’s & girls no doubt) that goes over everything, AGAIN!!! Then you’ll be classed as homeless.

That was my experience anyway and we have been classed as homeless since September.

But I no there’s alot of people who can’t even get onto local Authority lists unless you’re homeless pretty much.

So the scale of the problem is off the chart’s & getting worse.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578180#Comment_121578180

it would help, but the burn everything crowd have now entered the scene, so thats probably slowly coming off the table also....

Mr. teddywinkles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577458#Comment_121577458

We ain't though complete fallacy as the last financial crash proved. Majority are living a decent lifestyle but its paycheck to paycheck.

Lifestyles downgrade at times also just to be aware of that. Easy work your ass off still have nothing and society points to the guy that's homeless and say aren't ya better off than him at least.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578191#Comment_121578191

we are actually a far wealthier country than we have been in the past, when you compare our economy of now to for example our economy from the 70's/80's, we re now radically different, far wealthier, but yes, it is a very relative term....

most wealth is stored in the value of assets such as property, land, ip etc etc, this is exactly where this wealth truly is, if you happen to own assets such as, or have a claim on ownership etc, you re very likely doing okay in all of this, if you dont, you re probably in trouble....

....yup, precarity has significantly grown in all of this to, which is not good, i.e. we re definitely far wealthier, but its all built on potential quicksand, so....

JVince

They should publish it on a county by county basis.

The vast majority are in Dublin - 70%+. Too many are afraid to move to a new area where there's less pressure on housing and this should be looked at especially if someone does not have strong connections to an area.

But if there was a full breakdown including those of ethnicity, you'd find the far right fools would have another argument in their amour.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121576363#Comment_121576363

I would love to see the birthrate of irish citizens if everyone lived by your rule.

It is near impossible for young people to buy houses and so many live at home into their 30s or 40s these days due to lack of housing.

You would happily tell these people to forget about having children until they own a house while we have the like of Puskas popping out 5 kids and getting a mansion compared to what most people can afford to buy without working a day in his life.

Then 13,000 people being homeless and growing each week is not a crisis at all.

I am not sure if you are part of the current governent but if not they would certainly welcome you.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578254#Comment_121578254

as i said earlier, huge amount of our sh*tty jobs are being done by foreigners these days, so they'll be prominent on housing lists as it's impossible to live on the wages paid by these jobs

Mr. teddywinkles

To be honest this asset thing bugs me. Either ya need somewhere to live or ya dont which clearly theres lots of people in need presently.

Maybe property in the 70 and 80s wasnt viewed like this. Maybe thats part of the problem.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578105#Comment_121578105

I see a lot of accounts posting against mass immigration and the problems it is causing.

It's hardly a surprise considering the last time it was polled over 70% of the country had that opinion, so that would seem normal to me.

I don't see many posters that say they are anti immigration or who have alt right views.

Paste in a few of these posts who are anti immigration and alt right and we can take a look.

Anti immigration seems to be someone who wants skilled people and doesn't want undocumented men, which is sensible and not anti immigration.

Alt right seems to be common sense these days.

Fire away and we can answer the question you asked.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578146#Comment_121578146

This is my point: thread's not even about immigration, but suddenly it is....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578288#Comment_121578288

No, which is why I specifcied alt-right.

It honestly feels like boards is going to be come another Twtitter-esque propaganda machine for people who are just intelligent enough to not burn down hotels but to try and goad someone else into doing it.

suvigirl

13,000 homeless are on the social housing list.

People in their 30s and 40s living in their parents home because they can't afford to rent or buy are most likely not on social housing lists.

The state stopped supplying housing decades ago and instead allowed private developers to build and charge huge rents, that the state then pay for social housing tenants.

Selling off huge amounts of state owned housing over the decades has resulted in little social housing.

They state managed huge building projects in the 30s & 40s and again in the 50s & 60s. This needs to be done immediately.

Let the state house those who cannot house themselves, take those tenants out of private houses and allow those who should be able to house themselves into available private housing.

Cheddar Bob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578140#Comment_121578140

And what problems are those?

They have traffic jams in Germany too ya know.

And one off homes in suburban areas are far more common in Europe than here- compare the density of any European city and they aren't wildly out of kilter with Dublin.

A terrace/ semi with a garden is a pretty basic requirement for normal living tbh.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578340#Comment_121578340

yeah i don't think we'll ever agree on this one, have a nice day.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578279#Comment_121578279

unfortunately it is a part of the problem, and a major part at that, this is exactly what happens when you financialise the whole process, of which we have done, and most other advanced nations at that, property becomes a 'financial asset', from there the whole process starts to collapse on itself, of which is occurring now....

what happens in this process is that the main aim is to simply maximize financial gains as quickly as possible, and ta hell with the consequences, so now we have the consequences.....

...its very short term thinking, pension funds are now wrapped up in all of this, so......

Idbatterim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121577529#Comment_121577529

The irony is the forever luxury free homes are mostly for the life long wasters. While the hard working poor get nothing... honestly, throw up a mobile home on your parents site if they have land down the country and are agreeable.. in Dublin, throw up a garden room if an option, much better when property has side access

Carlito Brigantes Tale

Let's keep voting FG and FF. They'll surely solve this issue..

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578259#Comment_121578259

If you're in tour 30s and 40s and cant afford to buy a house worth €250k they no one to blame but themselves. Wtf have they been doing with their money? Snorting it up their nose?

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578102#Comment_121578102

Excellent question that i don’t know the answer to. Personally I was thinking SD, but speaking as an ex labour supporter who felt betrayed by the shenanigans of Gilmore, Kelly, Burton I heard yesterday on the radio on the gathering Bacik wouldn’t rule out joining with SD, so I’m at a loss.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578390#Comment_121578390

You take a read back over my post now and point out where I said people couldn't afford to buy a house worth 250k.

If you read it again I said because of lack of housing.

JaCrispy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121575517#Comment_121575517

So the housing crisis and homeless issues have "nothing got to do with immigration" and then you talk about "supply and demand".

Absolute head in the sand and arse in the air thinking there.

tom23

The only post I’ve read from you that I 100% agree with.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578302#Comment_121578302

Ah right so you were just throwing out a generic post I assume hoping for a few likes with no intention of backing up your point.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578388#Comment_121578388

definitely, definitely!