Northern Ireland and powersharing in Stormount.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638161#Comment_121638161

You are backin Sinn fein on the thread so supporting them, if you are a supporter of the party so be it.

In reality as I said majority of the issues in the North would be resolved if they dumped the DUP and Sinn Fein.

I doubt anyone voted for Sinn Fein hoping they would manage to shut down the assembly AGAIN by bickering with the DUP AGAIN.

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638372#Comment_121638372

You're not making any sense here. The DUP are refusing to allow a devolved government to form, not Sinn Féin. It's clear who you are trying to scapegoat here. Why are you trying so hard to deflect blame from the DUP?

"I doubt anyone voted for Sinn Fein hoping they would manage to shut down the assembly AGAIN by bickering with the DUP AGAIN."

Comments like this one suggest you don't have a clue what you are on about.

Try reading up on it, you'll find reports such as the following:

https://news.sky.com/story/northern-ireland-why-is-there-still-no-assembly-and-what-does-brexit-have-to-do-with-it-12731428

"There has been no functioning government in Northern Ireland as the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) is refusing to restore power-sharing unless the sea border created by the Brexit deal is removed."

Jump_In_Jack

Conservative Party kicking the can down the road.

https://www.politico.eu/article/no-government-elections-more-money-northern-ireland-belfast-crisis-inflation-pay-rise-protests/

"The legislation also is expected to delay, once again, the legally required date for the next Stormont election to early 2025 — by which time a U.K.-wide general election will likely have ended the Conservative government’s 14-year reign and turned Northern Ireland into a problem for the British Labour Party."

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638739#Comment_121638739

You quoted an article as "proof" which as I already provided a section from that article.

If you just want to constantly point the finger at the DUP and not realise that Sinn Fein are equally as bad that is your choice.

As I said both parties getting kicked from Northern Ireland would go a long way to finally getting issues resolved and a proper assembly.

One party is as useless as the other.

NIMAN

If there was an election in the morning, after the major strike and so many suffering hard times, the vast majority would vote for who they voted for last time.

Sometimes the voters have to take a bit of responsibility.

You get the politician you vote for.

arctictree

Looks like Stormont will be returning pretty soon. Great to see some progress.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121639200#Comment_121639200

While I agree with the sentiment, "both parties getting kicked from Northern Ireland" is a bit simplistic. As in every country, NI parties exist because they are voted for. Remove the parties and a similar, possibly worse, party would fill those spaces. Addressing why people feel the need to vote for extremism on both sides rather than their moderate alternatives, that's the key here.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121695666#Comment_121695666

But the people are not voting for both parties to shut down the assembly at any whim they decide to come up with

Remember while the assembly is shut down all these politicaisn are sitting at home doing nothing on full pay. Do you think people want that?

AMKC

Well it looks like the Northern Ireland Assembly could be back up and running by the weekend and about bloody time too.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696619#Comment_121696619

Till the next minor issue they can bicker over and try shut it down again

Jump_In_Jack

Will have to wait and see what the concessions were. Could be nothing major, or could cause the EU to object. Interesting the DUP are refusing to give any details for the moment.

ELM327

I think this shows the need to remove these vetos. No other parliament has them. We are 25 years removed from the GFA and the associated "peace in our time". (purposeful misquote btw)

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121696741#Comment_121696741

Ide say the strikes rattled them.

Very dangerous for the status quo to have non sectarian unions coming together and striking like in a normal democracy.

Galwayguy35

Bryson is a very angry little man today.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697033#Comment_121697033

Other parliaments don't really need them, but then other parliaments aren't really divided along sectarian lines. The distrust between the sides is several hundred years old, so it's probably a little unrealistic to think that it should have evaporated after 25 years of basically peace. If the vetos are there since the GFA, the removal of them would be called a reneging on the GFA by one side, no matter how well-intentioned, and the suggestion of the removal of the vetos by one side would cause the other side to wonder what advantage their opposition is looking to gain.

The biggest expression the people of NI could make that they want to move past sectarian identity politics is to continue voting for the non-sectarian Alliance party in greater numbers which would really put the willies up both the DUP and Sinn Fein and force them to work together a bit more constructively lest they lose relevance totally.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697075#Comment_121697075

He's a very angry little man every day!

TinyMuffin

And they’ve all been getting paid while it was closed.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697105#Comment_121697105

Those are like stabilizers. Sometimes you have to take the stabilizers off. If 25 years isnt enough, how long is? Also, when they are absorbed back into the Irish state, there won't be the same setup anyway.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121697888#Comment_121697888

This is the sickening part. They shouldnt be paid.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121698717#Comment_121698717

If the vetos are still needed after 25 years , then you might say no amount of time is enough. The GFA was great to put a stop to the violence, but it didn't do a lot to quell the suspicion between the communities and parties who represent them. They won't end until unification occurs. Even then, if the setup was that NI would become a special autonomous region of Ireland, they'd probably *still* have the veto.

arctictree

Does anyone else think that this assembly is just not going to last? I mean once the DUP hear that Michelle O'Neil has been speaking to anyone without the deputy first minister, they are going to freak out. Especially if it involves anyone in the Irish government...

Fr Tod Umptious

The Good Friday Agreement was famously described by the SDLP as "Sunningdale for slow learners".

Back 50 years ago the Sunningdale Agreement was to create an assembly similar to what the GFA eventually did.

But the whole project was scuppered by a general strike by unionists that brought NI to it's knees.

Isn't ironic then that 50 years later it was a general strike by NI public service workers (now without the sectarian baggage of the 70s) that actually brought the assembly back.

Nevermind the DUP getting concessions on the Irish Sea border, (all they got was a change of name of the "green channel") to get them back in the assembly, what actually got them back was the strike a few weeks ago.

The DUP saw a mass strike by public service workers with no sectarian influence and thought "oh s**t", and then proceeded to come up with some claptrap about changes to the Windsor Framework.

Good enough for them.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121638098#Comment_121638098

Indeed, it it was Sinn Fein who withdrew from Stormont first, back in January 2017 if I remember correctly. The Executive collapsed then when Martin McGuinness resigned as deputy First Minister, supposedly largely due to Sinn Féin's concerns around the DUP's handling of the Renewable Heat Incentive scheme, but SF were partly to blame for the RHI scheme too. No need to collapse the Executive over it.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121710359#Comment_121710359

Shutting down a government over wood pellets, only Sinn Fein could be involved in that