In the event of united Ireland could DUP attract a significant vote in the Republic / 26 Counties ?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853941#Comment_122853941

If you are reduced to thanks analysis to obtain the views of a poster, you are not really debating what is said.

There are many reasons for thanking a post, only one of which is that you agree 100% with what the poster is saying.

Debate the difference between heritage and living culture, and the ability to own your own culture without having it imposed on you by nativist nationalistic good republicans and I will engage.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853956#Comment_122853956

You can own as many bits of the culture you want.

You cannot disown the culture of the place you live in though. We are a multi-faceted culture, always were and always will be. When you are dead and gone the things you didn't like or indeed liked will still be going on and a part of the an ever changing cultural life.
Like every other country in the world.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852181#Comment_122852181

Would you ever stop posting complete nonsense about a subject you clearly know nothing about?

The salient point as far as we Irish are concerned, is that we Irish are Gaels, and our country is named in our stead - we native Irish are a distinct people.

Our Gaelic civilisation, our Gaelic political and social order, our Gaelic culture originated/evolved in Ireland during prehistoric times - and still dominates to this day, despite all the foreign interference.

Our native Gaelic language evolved in Ireland EXCLUSIVELY from insular Celtic in the late first millennium BC and early first millennium A.D.

Ireland is the land of us native Gaels.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852181#Comment_122852181

It doesn't matter whether you reject it or not.

See my posts on this thread and learn.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122852792#Comment_122852792

Meaningless blather.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853904#Comment_122853904

That didn't stop you thieving foreign ethnic British trying to impose your foreign cultural imperialism on us native Irish in our own native country, Ireland.

And just so you know - we native Irish know of no spectacle so disgusting as when you foreign ethnic British, given your demonic illegal history in our country, throw one of your hypocritical fits of morality.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122853956#Comment_122853956

If you are reduced to thanks analysis to obtain the views of a poster, you are not really debating what is said.

Except (again) that's untrue. I've responded to your points in detail. You, on the other hand, have still not supported your original argument that you were "certain" of. You thanks analysis was just another string to your bow; like I said - irreverent point scoring against one poster; content be damned.

There are many reasons for thanking a post, only one of which is that you agree 100% with what the poster is saying.

Unless you are thanking posts you disagree with for some unknown reason; supporting the message and/or content is in itself agreeing with the content of that post. To try to refute or excuse this is ridiculous.

Debate the difference between heritage and living culture, and the ability to own your own culture without having it imposed on you by nativist nationalistic good republicans and I will engage.

I've done so. You just are intent on continuously moving the goal posts.

E.g. - I simply mentioned the errors in our past yet you were selective enough to pick up on specific instances whereby 'error' would be too soft a term…..yet you never seem to want to reflect the same specificity to the acts committed upon Ireland by The British Empire; in fact are quite happy to gloss over them however absurd the recollection of history has been. There's no credibility to it being a reasoned discussion from you.

imposed on you by nativist nationalistic good republicans and I will engage.

And, if you'd looked, I did actually address this wherein it was being 'imposed on you'…..

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854217#Comment_122854217

The bladder is an organ.

Far from meaningless, it's quite important.

Irish History

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854279#Comment_122854279

Thanks - corrected the spelling.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854236#Comment_122854236

Charming. When you speak like that to a relatively neutral Irish person like blanch152, we can only guess how welcome you would make the DUP or indeed people who have a British background - or not as Irish as you like them to be - in to a U.I.

It reminds me of Billy Fox, the FG politician murdered by the IRA in Co. Monaghan. Before that he was insulted with similar anti-British smears (eg that he was ex B-specials, which was totally untrue) in the Dail by a Few FF TDs whio were forced to apologise. Billy Fox was only a very soft Republican, not an IRA sympathiser. And the OP in his / her innocence thought a hypothetical UI would be a safe place for a DUP politician to stand! How absurd and naive.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854236#Comment_122854236

(1) I am Irish

(2) We Irish gave up our language when the English came

(3) We Irish continue to adopt the English culture, whether it is the Premier League or soap operas.

(4) Your posts are now explicitly racist rather than the inherent implicit racism that marred your previous posts.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122858809#Comment_122858809

So the English’ have a culture but ours is a là carte and only what an individual accepts?

Really been a revealing conversation.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122859331#Comment_122859331

That is a strange interpretation and not what I meant in a quick response. If you want to address the detailed posts, please feel free to do so.

My point is that culture isn't homogenised and imposed, it is freely chosen and individual. Many Irish people adopt aspects of many cultures. For example, I know of many Eastern Europeans living in Ireland, Irish citizens, cheer on the Irish soccer team, but still celebrate Christmas on 24th December.

You can't tell Irish people that follow Liverpool and Coronation Street that they are not really Irish, even though by your definition they are.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860303#Comment_122860303

I'm not the person who ridicules those who follow English teams nor those who enjoy aspects of other cultures or tells them they aren't Irish.

That openness is a part of 'our culture' and always has been back as far as you want to go. Again nobody is 'imposing' a thing on you, you are free to like/dislike whatever aspect of our culture that you want to.

You exclude - i.e Wolfe Tones/Orange marches from your cultural identity, I don't. That's the difference. You are exclusionary, I'm inclusive.

Francis McM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860332#Comment_122860332

Other Republicans like "Irish History" only a few posts ago wrote "Ireland is the land of us native Gaels." He wrote for example, to a relatively middle of the road poster from south of the border:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122854236#Comment_122854236

In my humble opinion You should be telling posters like Irish history they are exclusionary, not relativey middle of the road, neutral posters like Blanch. You, being a typical Republican demonise middle of the road people …..now what does that remind anyone of? You and "Irish History" should be ashamed of yourselves.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860524#Comment_122860524

Just as you, blanch and I are responsible for what they post, so too is Irish History. If he/she had engaged me on anything I posted he/she would have been answered. Blanch and you engage with my posts, therefore I have responded.

You should be able to tell that somebody who includes all aspects of cultural activity here and influences from outside (British and American and other European) as a part of 'our culture' would not subscribe to 'Irish History's' views.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860557#Comment_122860557

There is no "our culture", that is where we disagree.

There is no single national culture. Lots of cultural aspects of this island are not shared by everyone living here, in fact, I struggle to think of a single cultural aspect shared by everyone on this island.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860925#Comment_122860925

So totally wrong.

Everything practiced culturally is a part of 'our' collective culture as long as it isn't illegal or contrary to human rights.

There is nothing to stop a governing party adopting your exclusionary a lá carte attitude (including SF btw) and that is wholly wrong.

Who said or claimed that all cultural aspects need to be 'shared'? That's pure rubbish from the get go and happens nowhere.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860972#Comment_122860972

If cultural aspects are not shared, then we don't have a shared culture. That is exactly what I have been saying, and you now seem to agree.

If I am wrong, perhaps you can list some aspects of our shared culture that are shared by all.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860988#Comment_122860988

No culture anywhere EVER 'shared' all aspects. It's a completely moot point therefore concocted in your ongoing attempts to exclude.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861037#Comment_122861037

Anything shared by 90% of us?

If you can't identify even a single cultural thing shared by all of us, then the only conclusion is that we don't have a shared culture. It is as simple as that.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122861097#Comment_122861097

Morris Dancing isn't 'shared' by everyone in England - is it a part of English culture…of course it is.

You are talking absolute nonsense now tbh.

Seth Brundle

Mod: right you two should agree to disagree at this point and move on!

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122860524#Comment_122860524

The notion of "native Gaels" is nonsensical anyway. The Vikings, Normans, etc etc who came over here and settled weren't sterile!

blanch152

https://sluggerotoole.com/2024/12/02/irish-unity-a-dead-duck-for-the-foreseeable-future/

First analysis of the outcome of the election in terms of a united Ireland.

"The predictions of SF and a quorum of their more breathless supporters within the commentariat that a McDonald ministry would immediately lead to a border poll and a national debate are now looking rather silly. Far from being inevitable, the issue of Irish unity is now a dead duck. When we look into the future, which looks like the UK government seeking rapprochement with Europe against a backdrop of a global recession combined with political instability within major Western countries including the United States, I struggle to see an opportunity for reunification to be reintroduced to the agenda for the foreseeable future."