Increase in road deaths - questions need to be asked

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802186#Comment_121802186

and what did all this enforcement do exactly? People were smashing into each other for fun back then

drunk as skunks, driving rust buckets with bald tyres

kids standing up on the back seats, not a seat belt between them

halkar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802084#Comment_121802084

Encountered this few times and eventually after overtaking they give middle finger out the window. Maybe because my car is better and faster (if needed) than their $hitbox :D

FazyLucker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801925#Comment_121801925

Well, that €1 or €2 spent might save your life but it doesn't help if people won't use it.

Uber works everywhere else - have you ever used it? Having seen how some "trained" taxi drivers drive I would wonder could they be any worse. You can rate your driver on Uber and they'll quickly get a bad rap. Bar you are bothered reporting a taxi driver to the regulator....and what a waste of energy that would be.

Go Safe vans generate revenue for Go Safe and are deliberately put in easy to catch people speeding. Well, if you think that 10 million euro is a waste, then I'll see it and raise you 2bn because the public sector in this country couldn't plan a hospital.

Anyway, have a good day. There's a reason I skip past your posts!

batman_oh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801283#Comment_121801283

Yeah but you can't tackle this with more speed cameras on motorways/big national roads and double points and fines on bank holidays so therefore it will be ignored. It's all SPEEDZ.

People are driving like a33holes a lot more the last few years, mobile phone use is a joke (on a motorbike you can really see this). I've nearly been hit head on twice in the last 6 months by people coming onto the wrong side of the road looking at their phones on a dead straight road. People playing with touch screens in cars while driving at speed too, great idea having so much stuff assigned to these in cars now. Drug driving is definitely rampant now (I've even seen some claim they drive better stoned). Red light running is mental, tail gaiting, shite overtakes on country roads etc etc

The focus one reducing speed limits and throwing speed cameras at motorways will do nothing

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802171#Comment_121802171

Go Safe don't get the revenue. They are paid a fixed fee regardless of how many fines are issued and paid.

Fines are paid to the Gardai, and don't cover the cost of the service.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802215#Comment_121802215

This...

"...According to the current guidance, the primary objective of camera deployment is to reduce deaths and injuries on roads, with a study conducted by the London School of Economics finding that, from 1992 to 2016, traffic enforcement cameras reduced accidents by between 17% and 39%, while reducing fatalities by between 58% and 68%..."

"...International research of the effectiveness of roads policing in increasing compliance with traffic laws and reducing road casualties, has been shown to cut some collision types by around a quarter...."

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802232#Comment_121802232

Uber works every where else by forcing taxi drivers out of the business and turning it into a part time role. Taxi drivers are Garda vetted, trained in dealing with customers with disabilities and more.

Fines aren't paid to Go Safe.

If they won't pay €2 to pump their tyres, they can GTF off the road.

lisasimpson

Can you teach cop on when it comes to driving? Apart from speeding I've also seen some bonkers behaviour. Lack of gardai isn't helping to stamp it out.

For example last summer on the M7 in Birdhill after after entering the average speed camera zone. I came apoun a car that was starting to drift between lanes. Turns out when I managed to over take them was a young woman applying makeup no hands on sterring wheel while doing 100km. A friend of mine came across her a few month later same crack. I wish i had dash cam to submit of it.Another day I pulled up at a roundabout car in front 1 passenger with videos playing on phone on dashboard.

people with dogs on their laps while driving shouldn't be allowed either have seen that a few . All this along with phone usage where people are looking down at phones where a lot of the problems lie. Too distracted by other things

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802250#Comment_121802250

Any survey who would quote made up figures like that should be thrown in a bin

all the enforcement back when you were a lad resulted in what, a load of deaths

theres apparently no enforcement these days and way less deaths, as in 1/4 of them

explain this

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802262#Comment_121802262

Two tonne SUVs with a 4 million airbags, and 1 million computers and sensors telling (or stopping you) from driving like a moron, then saving you when you do.

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802020#Comment_121802020

You are wasting your time trying to educate that poster on the intracies of valves. Their post on was just silly.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802276#Comment_121802276

so not enforcement then

glad we agree

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801283#Comment_121801283

"...Speeding is seen as the biggest cause of motor accidents for both the general population (41%) and amongst 44% of drivers. Carelessness was recorded in second place amongst 17% of drivers, followed by drink driving or having taken drugs a close third place recorded by 16% of drivers. These are the findings of a new survey of 1,000 people nationwide, 774 of whom are drivers, carried out by iReach Insights on behalf of Aviva Insurance Ireland DAC (Aviva).

Other causes contributing to road accidents amongst the respondents to the survey include the use of mobile phones while driving (11%), aggressive drivers (6%), and poor roads (5%). Only 1% of drivers believed weather conditions were a cause of motor accidents..."

You'd have blind not to see all the speeding. I'm not saying it's always dangerous either. But many times it is.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802285#Comment_121802285

i've had more valves than you've had hot dinners

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801782#Comment_121801782

Regularly and often driving on the N80 (100km) into Wexford from Oilgate I would be behind someone (usually older person) scooting along at sub 50km.

It’s a hazard and you should stick to back roads with a 60/80kmh limit if you want to drive at an avg speed of 50 or less.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801760#Comment_121801760

I know it's the North, but a drunk unaccompanied learner driver killed a pregnant woman and hospitalised 2 other pedestrians in Fermanagh the other day. Barely in the news.

FazyLucker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802255#Comment_121802255

So your solution to the problem of people getting from A to B in a rural part is "leave well enough alone". I'd reasonably argue that I'd rather a local sober individual drove 4 lads from place to place than 1 of them deciding to drive. If you don't see this then you don't get human nature. You can vet Uber drivers the exact same way as trained taxi drivers. It is a solution in places where there is no taxi service.

I did not know fines were not paid to Go Safe. But you seem to think people are perfect and won't speed. They will if there is no deterrent, 10m cost or not.

Again, you cay say that about the 2 euro (and I have my own pump by the way) all you want but again, you don't understand human nature it seems. How are you getting them off the road if they don't pay it and chance it that their tyres will be OK?

I think you lack an understanding of basic human behaviour to be honest.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802304#Comment_121802304

that person should never sit in the driver seat of a car again.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802314#Comment_121802314

they'll probably only get a 10 year driving ban, if even that

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802318#Comment_121802318

hard to get insurance after that

Comhrá

Guards driving around in squad cars and talking on their phones which I see regularly, really sums up the indifference to rules and safety right across the board. Someone will defend this behaviour as 'in the course of duty' but it's a real bug-bear of mine.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802290#Comment_121802290

I'm happy you agree with me that there is a lack of enforcement. But if there was it would have an impact.

The question is why do you fear enforcement so much..

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802295#Comment_121802295

Going through a lot of valves is not a good thing...

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802293#Comment_121802293

an opinion based survey?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801925#Comment_121801925

Entitlement?

Andrew please explain how I should have fixed this problem if you can.

Driving home from work late one night (finished around 11). All shops closed. I had no bank card on me just Apple Pay. No cash I never really carry it.

Anyway, I needed to inflate my rear passenger side tyre because I’m assuming some little bollox was messing with me car and deflated my tyre. Only think that because it was missing the dust cap all of a sudden.. anyway, I went to an apple green which the pump takes card. It was broken though.

25 minutes driving around to every petrol station in the town and NONE took card other than that single one. They all demanded €1 or €2 coin.

So what’s a motorist to do if they happen to get caught with no change and the machines don’t take cards? Some problems are caused by silly rules than entitlement like.

Would you think someone’s “entitled” for complaining they didn’t have a €2 coin to get a trolley in Aldi when everyone else takes €1?

“fecking shoppers so entitled”.

no, sometimes it’s just stupid. I had to change to the spare wheel at near fcuking midnight because I didn’t have €1 coin and even if I had my Debit card handy it wouldn’t have mattered shite the machines ONLY take a coin and NONE give change.

you wonder why no one would listen to your opinion on these matters you just jump straight to pointing the finger. There’s numerous reasons to stop charging €1 for a pump up of the tyres. It would lead to a safer road overall. But sure no the motorists entitlement.

But do tell how I could’ve solved my problem otherwise.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802329#Comment_121802329

I don't. I think its overall pointless as you have pointed out with your posts

Atlantic Dawn

I don't get why after these fatal incidents Gardaí ask if anyone had dashcam footage yet never actually give details of the make/model of vehicle that was in the incident. The very same car could have been spotted numerous times before the incident driving like a complete loon yet because nobody knows what is being looked for there's not going to be much success in getting any footage.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802333#Comment_121802333

man and boy lad, man and boy, when you've been on the road as long as me

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802318#Comment_121802318

Oh definitely and it’ll be called upon as a reason why learners can never drive unaccompanied (even though I’ve rarely seen learners cause problems compared to fully licensed drivers)

sure enough they make mistakes and do stupid things occasionally but I’ve never been at risk of colliding with a learner myself cos I keep back and give them space.

I reckon there’s plenty of full licence holders who’d need a supervisor with them over some learners!

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802300#Comment_121802300

It’s a hazard in the same sense as a pedestrian you didn’t see crossing the road though - you can avoid the hazard by your own safe driving. If it was a horse or a tractor what would you do?

Totally get the argument for motorways where those types of traffic are banned but on ever other road a granny doing 50km per hour in a Yaris is no different to any other hazard you might come across.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802215#Comment_121802215

You keep talking about enforcement, but back in those days it wasn't yet the law to wear seatbelts in the back or zero tolerance in drink driving.

All the checkpoints in the world can't enforce something until it is actually legislation.

The problem is that they brought in the legislation and then reduced the checkpoints.

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802314#Comment_121802314

Nevermind cars, that person should never sit in a seat that's not in a prison ever again.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802347#Comment_121802347

they ask for dash cam footage within a time and place where the accident took place

what the car was doing before the accident, might not be of any use

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802362#Comment_121802362

what were they enforcing then 🤣

gun running?

on a more serious note, you legislate to push people into doing what you want, even with a small chance of enforcement no matter what the decade

people also generally dont want to die or get thrown from their cars and have seen the benefits of these safety measures despite some moronically ignoring them with no logic at the start

peer pressure is more effective than enforcement

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802358#Comment_121802358

I dont care how someone wants to drive but at the same time if I’ve ever felt the need to stay well under a posted limit I make sure to

1. avoid using the main roads if I won’t keep to at least 60-70km on a 100km
2. keep left and allow traffic to pass if they want and it’s safe to do so.

there’s no excuse for scootering along at 50 or less on a main road when you can easily just take an alternative route that is more in line with your style of driving.

I feel a different contempt for anyone driving sub 120km if it’s safe to be at that speed on motorways.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802363#Comment_121802363

never mind prison seats

that person should never sit again from the kick in the arse they deserve.

beggars_bush

Phones

People scrolling on phones

Qaanaaq

I really don't know how to fix this problem, no safety campaign is going to make any difference. I think in general, levels of aggression in society have become much worse in the last 50 years and driving behavior is just another symptom of that.

Safety is also perceived as uncool and risk taking a positive attribute amongst a lot of peer groups in society. So there is social peer pressure. No education is going to change that. Risk takers tend to be more popular so a lot of young people aspire to be like them.

Also for multi occupant crashes, there is probably a big element of showing off involved and also total disregard for the extra weight on vehicle performance. Quite a lot of times when i am a passenger, i can get the impression the driver is showing off to a certain degree. Peacock Syndrome i think they call it, anyway it seems to be much more prevalent personality trait these days.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802373#Comment_121802373

They enforced the laws that were in place at the time.

You were listing things like back seatbelt laws that weren't around when I was a kid, don't act dumb and pretend that there were no laws at all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802438#Comment_121802438

and laws are worth what without enforcement?

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802457#Comment_121802457

Thats rather the point yes, well done.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802328#Comment_121802328

or parking on double lines to go to the shop.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802438#Comment_121802438

who said they were enforcing laws that didn't exist at the time, this is plainly stupid

they had all this enforcement, supposedly, not when I was a lad mind, maybe the 60s? and yet all these deaths

so the solution is laws, education, safer roads, safer cars etc

this is what works

laws are their to push people in general to adhere to them even with a very low chance of getting caught

as an example, in the 80s 90s you had a big thing called joy riding, plus general car theft, what stopped joy riding, was it the police?

magicbastarder

regarding aggression on the road, wouldn't it be great that anytime someone used a car horn, their own windows and those of any car within 20m of theirs wound down for 30s?

anecdotally, i've found 'interactions' between me and drivers, when i'm cycling, are usually much more likely to end amicably when there's clear air between us. it reduces what i think is called the disinhibitory effect that happens drivers because they're shut off from any meaningful communication.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802478#Comment_121802478

Better again would be lovely if cars gave an electric shock (like a shock collar) if you use your horn to be a prick.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802477#Comment_121802477

I didn't think it was a very complicated point.

Somebody called for enforcement and roadside checks like they used to have. You said those checks didn't enforce anything because there were kids without seatbelts, people with drink in them and people getting killed. I pointed out that those specific things weren't enforced then because they weren't illegal then.

They are illegal today, so enforcement would be possible today if there were roadside checks today. 1+1=2

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802478#Comment_121802478

do you tend to have interactions?

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121801758#Comment_121801758

There is or at least was in England. Lessons involved doing an emergency stop and then it was testable.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802502#Comment_121802502

no i didn't say that, I said that

I said thats how people were driving

it was fairly simple and straighforward, I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you can't enforce a law that doesn't exist

can you answer what all these checkpoints were enforcing, considering they were doing feck all given the deaths

I would also say I was never stopped at a checkpoint as a kid

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121802512#Comment_121802512

the emergency stop is you driving along at a slow pace and applying the brakes. If you can't manage that?