How do you emigrate

https://www.newstalk.com/documentary-and-drama-on-newstalk/squat-generation-documentary-newstalk-852283

I'm amazed as well, I had a sibling who lived in a squat in Hackney in the 1980s they got on fine, finished college by going at night, and ended up with a good career and much better opportunities than they would have had here, there were loads of abandoned council properties in London in the 80s.

It wasn't all plane sailing though it could be rough and dangerous.

The point is they were barely out of their teens no such thing as a mobile phone, very little money.

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2014/0509/616221-squatters-in-london/

This is worth watching if any remember the '80s

Fritzbox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813734#Comment_121813734

I have been living and working in Germany for the last 15 years or so, paying taxes and rent. All I have to say is, you are very wrong,

Not being able to speak German is a huge disadvantage in the jobs market over here.

Some psychologists has a parenting slot on the Clair Byrne show, a lot of his work would be with teenagers and children and his a firm believer in 18-year-olds moving out for college.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812527#Comment_121812527

Every.

Feckin'

Thread.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812934#Comment_121812934

They didn't say anything about what they are working at, or what their salary is, but you got to climb onto your soapbox regardless so that's all that matters, eh!

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121817057#Comment_121817057

Good luck with that these days unless your parents are minted though.

AH answer: OP, maybe try something a little less ambitious at first, like, say, Cork. Not much of a language barrier and most of the local foodstuffs will be familiar to you.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813580#Comment_121813580

48.5% marginal income tax on any extra income over 40k, as @Idbatterim said, which is true and correct.

It's bonkers. No wonder some people emigrate.

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121811901#Comment_121811901

Christ is this just another AH thread whingeing about people on the dole (thread #9,999999) dressed us as something else?

If it is a real Q - Just quit your job and get a one way flight somewhere, it's the easiest thing in the world to do.

thereiver

It was easier in the 80s apart from the UK. It's hard to find an English speaking country that does not have rents or house prices as high as Ireland . I presume you mean where do I go to where the rent is not high

And you can get a job at least as good as the jobs available in Ireland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828666#Comment_121828666

How was it easier in the 1980s?

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/144517058#/?channel=RES_NEW

In Ireland 22km distance from a major city where could you purchase a new house for under 200k?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828374#Comment_121828374

What a sad, sad line of thinking you have been indoctrinated into. Because you are also a state employee, you feel it is your duty to interject and stickup for those earning 1.5 times the relative pittance you earn, simply because they are state employees. You cannot see past this to the actual facts.

I was responding to the myth that teachers pay was crap from another poster.

I responded with actual facts backed up with Revenue data. A concept that is alien to you no doubt. You'd prefer to swallow the propaganda - no questions asked. You can't accept that I was correct and instead have to imply I am soap boxing. Correcting misinformation is not soap boxing.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829448#Comment_121829448

That would be around €230,000. And it is not the sale price. Other houses in that street sold from £220,000 upwards.

If money is the issue, a second hand house could be a better bargain than a new one. It is easy to check the real price achieved for all the houses sold in Ireland. Some under that sort of money in places like Balbriggan and Tallaght in the last few months.

https://www.propertypriceregister.ie/

Danny Drier

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058337677/how-do-you-emigrate

Apt username is apt.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829594#Comment_121829594

My point was more about the idea that it was easier to emigrate in the 1980s how exactly was it easier?

Marcusm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121812604#Comment_121812604

UK teachers earn substantially less than Irish teachers, I find that statistic quite interesting given the shortage of teachers in both countries

YellowLead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830019#Comment_121830019

Pretty sure UK teachers don’t get as much time off either. Would be a no brainer to do it here if the pay really is less in the UK.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121829582#Comment_121829582

The bitterness is incredible, but also totally irrelevant as the OP did not say they were working as a teacher (many people with H.Dips are not).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121830895#Comment_121830895

Correcting misinformation is not bitterness. My first contribution to this thread was to correct the misconception that teachers pay was terrible as mentioned by other poster.

Grayson

I hadn't see this till now but to throw in my experience. I moved to germany 2 years ago. I don't speak german. I switched my LinkedIn to available for opportunities and set the location to EU and was approached by a German recruitment firm.

Now I work in a very narrow area. There's not that many people with my qualifications and experience. So I was recruited to work for a german supermarket chain (You guys probably have a 50% chance of guessing which one) in their website. All communications and work is done in english. So i don't need German at all.

I live in the very centre of Dusseldorf and pay a ridiculous amount for rent. It's ridiculous for germany. I'm paying just over 1000 for an 90m2 apartment. I could have gotten a smaller apartment for a fraction of the price. But considering that's the price of a bedroom in a lot of Dublin, I still consider myself lucky. I have a far better standard of life her than I did in Ireland.

My advice would be to pop onto linked in and see if there's jobs available in your area of expertise in Europe. If the job is advertised in English then you have a decent hope of the company working through English. And then just start applying.

A separate thing you might want to try is teaching english. I have some friends who did a TEFL and moved to places like Taiwan and Korea. the money is really good and they were able to save a lot.

Trigger Happy

Have you ever lived away from your parents OP? If you have then thats a help.

But if you have never lived away from your parents...or never lived in a different city or country to where your parents live you might find it very difficult.

Living on your own in a strange city with no one to come get you if something goes wrong can be a bit daunting. You need to be ready for the reality of what that means.

Otherwise- as said in this thread previously - decide where you want to go.

Research if you can get a visa there.

Research if you can get a job there.

Research how much that job will pay.

Research how much take home pay you will get before tax.

Research rents and cost of living and ensure that the sums add up - that you can surivive.

Research how to get temporary accomodation when you arrive.

Research how to get permanent accomodation and what the local market is like.

Figure out how much money you need to emigrate and keep yourself alive until first paycheck. Double that.

Maybe visit your chosen location for a holiday and see if you like it.

But most importantly - be sure that a move to a different country will actually solve your perceived problems.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831198#Comment_121831198

crap pay is subjective, last year someone tried to argue with me that 60k wasn't a great salary their house income is 120k as their wife has the same job as them, and they would not believe that would put them in the top 10 or 15% of household incomes in Ireland. They FEEL they are not on a good salary.

A few months ago a family man from NI had a substantial lotto win he was a truck driver, and he was asked what he wanted to do with his win, he said to take his family abroad on holiday they had never been on a holiday abroad.

Wanderer78

when stating rates of pay, mentioning the rate of increase in rent and the price of housing should also really be included as this is where the real problems lie!

I see sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831815#Comment_121831815

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4g6k1a4XYA&ab_channel=scallly

Reminds my of this wally

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831815#Comment_121831815

The problem is that 60k is kinda ****. Don't get me wrong, it's far more than loads make. But it doesn't go as far as it used to or as far as it does in other European countries. And the biggest thing is housing. If you're renting it sucks up your money. Here in germany I notice that some things like meat are more expensive. Some things like alcohol are cheaper. I'd say that excluding rent my cost of living is pretty equivalent to what I paid in Ireland. The big difference is accommodation costs.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831198#Comment_121831198

I didn't make any comment on teachers' pay, just your obsession with off-topic posting. OP has not stated they are a teacher.

I suspect all this is a moot point the OP wants to skip over the UK, the easiest and most accessible way to do what she wants, the OP is talking about San Francisco and New York.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831900#Comment_121831900

america would be interesting, but i suspect very difficult to make a start there, and with the way its politics is going, id be seriously reluctant.....

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831883#Comment_121831883

Guy actually has a Wikipedia page!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Barber

Jolyon Maugham, a barrister specialising in tax law, has confirmed that an income of £80,000+ per year would in fact place Barber in the top three per cent of UK earners.

Housing is a lot of issue in Ireland.

I can never understand why we don't have shared ownership in Ireland.

A very nuanced shared ownership in Ireland would go a long way to helping the situation.

By nuanced I mean no shared ownership in and where 'desirable' trendy, hipster, as that would only put prices up and only be available for apartments it would be aimed at a way of getting single buyers on a low to medium-income part ownership of a property.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121831956#Comment_121831956

...the problem is, vested interests dont want things to change cause the current situation benefits them, so happy days!

username2013

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121813444#Comment_121813444

I live in Canada and it's not true you wont be able to buy a house. Yes, buying in the major urban areas such as Toronto or Vancouver is a nightmare at the moment, but if you are willing to move outside these areas, houses are much more affordable. With remote work nowadays this is an option a lot of people have taken. I have a 4 bed detached house about an hour outside of Toronto which in Euro terms cost me about 450k.

I lived in the UK before too and you could not pay me to go back - so many sh*t-holes in England it's unbelievable. Horrible council houses in horrible estates with no character whatsoever and everyone stuck up on top of each other in semi-detached houses. Ugh.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832070#Comment_121832070

That's the very same in Ireland. And probably everywhere. If you are willing to move to where property is cheaper, you will find cheaper property. If a person is prepared to emigrate because they live in a high property price area in Ireland, they could just as easily relocate within Ireland to solve the property price problem.

Nigel Fairservice

I lived in the UK and Canada in my 20s and loved it. Don't discount the UK. There's some very nice cities there and many of the people I know that went there did OK for themselves. No visas, it's not too far from home and you won't experience much culture shock there.

Canada is great as well. It was very expensive when I went in the early 2010s so I'd say it's even more so now. I had €5000 saved when I went to Canada. It was enough to get me started but I was lucky in that I found work quick enough and lived in a hostel for a few weeks until I got a place sorted. You wouldn't be too long going through your money if you weren't working. I applied for the visa through USIT at the time but I think they're gone now.

It's an exciting time when you make the move. Everything is new and you're meeting new people as well. You will definitely be out of your comfort zone for a while but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Enjoy it if you do make the move somewhere.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832551#Comment_121832551

...again, this is a highly simplistic view on how to solve our property price problems, simply moving wont solve the overall problem, as theres clearly severe dysfunctions now occurring, as theres now serious fundamental problems with the overall model on how we approach housing, and yes, we re currently not the only country currently experiencing this, so this is a much bigger global problem....

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832551#Comment_121832551

It's not quite the same. In other countries when they say move somewhere smaller they mean a town of 100k. In ireland it means up the side of a mountain.

thereiver

You can buy a house in Ireland if you are willing to live in a small town. I have no idea if a hdip degree of the type you have will get you a job that allows remote work

I mean in the 80s house prices were alot cheaper than they are now in English speaking countrys

Kurooi

Don't drop non English speaking countries. I met plenty of people in Germany, Netherlands, Sweden to name a few who in professional settings speak English. Their workplaces are English. Some cities and workplaces over others.

Whether you're going to EU or outside, it would help immensely to secure a job first. And you should have some savings. I mean you have to live a month before the paycheck comes in.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121828415#Comment_121828415

If parents are minted, they should just gift cash to their children while they’re still alive. Obviously not massive lump sums.

otherwise the state will come looking for one third of pretty much everything….

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833422#Comment_121833422

I only do that if they were standing on their own two feet first and had developed an adult-to-adult relationship especially not seeing a room in the parent house as a fallback position.

The ability to live in a parent's house well into their 30s does seem to stunt someone's growth as a person and I'm not convinced it's always to do with the cost of accommodation either.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833647#Comment_121833647

You’d probably need to be a psychologist to come to that assertion. Stunt growth as a person ? Bit of a dramatic statement… especially considering the amount of people miserable with big bills, sizable mortgages or rent, unhappy in pressure filled relationships barely making ends meet 👀

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833422#Comment_121833422

That's completely inaccurate. Unless you're looking at an eight figure legacy the amount less the lifetime parent to child allowance is not "pretty much everything"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833669#Comment_121833669

That's just my opinion, one of mine lived in dreadful student accommodation and having to negotiate a budget and living with other people is good for growth and development, seeing new things, experiencing new things, meeting new people also when does it stop will the person still be at home aged 40?

What about issues like having an intimate relationship.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833708#Comment_121833708

You need to factor in assets as well as cash…. So say a house, investments, car, cash, etc

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121832725#Comment_121832725

No, property prices are lower in our urban centres away from the cities as well. No need to go up any mountain. We have a much higher population density than Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA for example.

The OP only wants to emigrate to an English speaking country, but not the UK, so that limits their choices. They will find that the property prices in other countries depends on location, just like in Ireland.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833389#Comment_121833389

While it is definitely possible to have a working holiday in many EEA countries with just English, but it would be very difficult to truly build a life for yourself without learning the local language. And in many cases the local language is not the same as the official language. For instance all Germans learn what we call Written or High German in school and depending how far they went in school they might not be very good at it. So when you arrive in say the Black Forest or the Valais after your Goethe courses, for them it just means your a foreigner that is a bit easier to understand. They certainly won’t be terribly excited about spending an evening with you, playing cards and chatting about local news in anything but the local dialect.

Kurooi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833886#Comment_121833886

I said some cities over others.

Clearly if you go to the depths of black forest you're not going to have a good time. I also assume OP is not looking for gambling and intellectual discussions in local villages.

I hope it works out for the OP I have reread their post and I can't figure out how they can be working and living in their parent's house and have absolutely no savings.

CelticRambler

@Airyfairy12 I understand i need to get a visa and some mode of transport to get to another country but generally, what kind of savings are you required to have? Is 5k enough? Can you apply for jobs without having a visa in place? ... How do you find accomodation without living somewhere or do you just live out of hostels until you find a permanent place? It seems a bit confusing.

Pick an EU country and you don't need to worry about visas or savings or what order to do things. Just get on a boat or a plane and go wherever you think you might find inspiration. With summer coming up, there'll be hundreds of opportunities to volunteer at various events and non-profit associations, most of which will offer you bed and board. As long as you're not too pretentious about what work you will (or won't) do, you won't be short of things to fill your time, and whatever limited vocab you might already have, it'll be greatly expanded by the time you're finished. You'll also meet a whole range of different people, one of whom may be exactly the right one to guide you into a more long-term, salaried position. At the very least, spending a few months doing that will help you decide how best to invest your time and energy over the following months or years.

If you decide to give France a go, drop me a PM - I came here in my mid-thirties and have never looked back.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121833718#Comment_121833718

Cash is an asset. It's all taxable, whether given before death or after.