Naval Service General Discussion - Fleet, Manpower, Policy

Larbre34

General

Larbre34

Opening a new thread for all things NS and future Navy.

Yawlboy

Whats the story with the Lake class boats, when are they supposed to be commissioned? Any news on names?

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955684#Comment_121955684

Still unknown. No point making them fully operational without crews for them.

Not a whisper about names.

Larbre34

I heard about the suggested naming convention, but we have a new Government coming in a fortnight that will be distinctly "anti-woke" in advance of three elections, so that particular avenue will probably be go nowhere.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121956199#Comment_121956199

Well, they were more Irish mythology than Irish history, no?

roadmaster

Martin saying 9 ship fleet still by 2028. Does that mean the P50s are going to be still operational and the MRV delivered by 2028?

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41366581.html

jonnybigwallet

MRV procurement proceeding very slowly......

Larbre34

"Nine modern ships by early in the next decade"

Well thats awesome ambition isn't it?

A net increase of one whole ship, with three new builds required to achieve it. And with none of our existing ships able to comprehensively surveil the air, surface or undersea environments. All while our EEZ is being rode rock solid and the undersea international infrastructure in our AoR is completely unprotected, at least by us.

If the P50 replacements aren't EPCs, and the MRV isn't an air defence frigate with lots of modular space below deck, we're basically pissing into the wind.

roadmaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979284#Comment_121979284

There are only doing 12 hour shifts so prob dont need as many crew. Still no base mentioned

jonnybigwallet

I can see that LE Gobnait getting a rather rude nick name.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979284#Comment_121979284

Those names are poxy.

And unpronounceable for anyone who isn't Irish. Actually, most Irish people too in fact.

Gobnait O'Lunacy of parody songs old.

Bring back the Dubliners pride of the Irish Navy

source

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979751#Comment_121979751

Who cares if they're unpronounceable to other nations, nobody else names their vessels based on what other countries can pronounce.

They're a unique part of our culture and I'm delighted they've gone back to it

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121979780#Comment_121979780

I surely am.

But as names go, Gobnait was always used as a representation of an eejit, or a pious old yoke.

They might as well have gone with LÉ Gobshite.

tippilot

Horrific name for a naval vessel. Outdated. Inviting ridicule. Jesus, they will keep finding ways to shoot themselves in the foot when we need to turn corners and present a new image of a modern force.

In the middle of a recruitment crisis...Gobnait. FFS. That will get them signing up in droves. Horrific.

roadmaster

If the crew is only 20 would the highest rank on board be a sub-lieutenant?

I hope they are working hard behind the scenes to secure an East Coast base or most of the IPVs work will be just travelling

CrabRevolution

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983417#Comment_121983417

You've to credit the leap of imagination required to honestly believe that there's people out there who are fully determined and able to join the Navy and serve, but who will now change their mind simply because there's a ship named Gobnait.

tippilot

About these highly limited minor vessels? Nope unfortunately not. But they, along with the unfortunate name are are a done deal and pointless discussing futher.

Larbre34

I agree with tippilot, and its certainly not all that bothers me, not by a long chalk. But it is symptomatic of the thinking at civil and command level around all of this stuff.

Redundant, outmoded, blinkered, naive, lazy and unambitious.

The LÉ Gobshite. Pride of the Irish Navy.

tippilot

Unfortunately it's just stating the reality in the era of social media.

I don't think anyone is naive enough to think that corporate image doesn't matter.

It's just another facepalm moment to add to a long list of them. Avoidable and totally self inflicted. The Dubliners would have had a field day.

Now let's hope the phrase "interim" is not erased from the narrative around these vessels.

CrabRevolution

I can safely say that to anyone my age, Gobnait is nothing more than a funny sounding Irish name.

It's a bit contradictory to be citing modernity and the era of social media, while using as your references the Dubliners and a 40 year old Frank Kelly song.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121988431#Comment_121988431

Tippilot made the social media era reference.

I mentioned Frank Kelly and the Dubliners.

Both are valid comment.

chimp77

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983182#Comment_121983182

I have to agree what a fooping poxy sounding name for a Naval vessel.

sparky42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121990746#Comment_121990746

As mentioned, plenty of navies have had worse.

Manic Moran

I don't know quite how insulting that song was. Strikes me very much as the same genre, if not the same generation, as "Are you right there, Michael?". Face it, the Naval Service wasn't a bastion of combat capability in the day (let alone now) and it wasn't shooting at much.

May as well complain about "It makes a fellow proud to be a soldier", also from the 1960s.

jonnybigwallet

I wonder who comes up with these ridiculous names? The P60' s naming was a bit daft IMO, but this latest one is an out and out joke. Do the military get a say in this at all? Or is it decided by some pen pusher in the civil service?

Larbre34

Almost certainly the latter.

I thought it would have nice to honour the origins of the Lake-Class vessels themselves and gone with Corrib, Mask, Sheelin, Erne, Allen etc., or even the great rivers of Ireland, Shannon, Blackwater, Liffey, Slaney etc. Simple, relevant, memorable, pronounceable.

septictank

Good Idea.

Duffy is on the radio now talking about "Gobnait".

mupper2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994194#Comment_121994194

Our license fee at….work, I guess,. Daily whingefest.

jonnybigwallet

Anything interesting said on that radio programme?

source

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995682#Comment_121995682

It was Joe Duffy, there's rarely anything interesting said on it beyond normal people showing how ill informed they are.