New bus gates on Bachelors Walk and Aston Quay

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551587#Comment_122551587

The stats were on RTE yesterday.

Buying items online does nothing positive for global emissions and it certainly doesnt support irish jobs and our local economy.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551438#Comment_122551438

They actually wouldn't.

Retailers have been shown time and again to be terrible judges of what's good for business in these matters.

They fight against and get proved wrong on every pedestrianisation plan.

bk

Look at how much nicer this area is now! Not just the car park where Stephens Green shopping center is, but look at the utter madness but look at all those cars driving up Steepens Green West and heading up Grafton Street and past the Gaiety!

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551626#Comment_122551626

I've just looked at the articles on the RTE news website and don't see what you claim. maybe you could point us towards this statistic.

As for your buying online claim - it could well depend on what you are buying and from where!

cgcsb

Regarding the 350 spaces in arnotts. The sign for arnotts is literally always green, indicating availability. Last I seen it full, I think was pre recession. I've been in there Saturday and it's a ghost town. Arnotts recently reduced the number of spaces. They're probably waiting to be bought out, it's a waste of space for them.

Daith

I don't know if it's still the case, but in 2023 Arnotts were proposing to put in a hotel on their site and removing 145 car park spaces themselves.

alentejo

Christ on a bike. The temporary road layout between Georges Quay - Burgh Quay is dangerous on a bike. In order to make a cycle lane, it appears they have to make it more dangerous before the new cycle lane is opened!

Cycling on Burgh Quay towards Aston Quay at around 5.20 pm, I counted somewhere between 15 to 17 buses queuing to get past the traffic lights at O Connell Bridge (heading westbound). The bus lane was completely jammed with buses and the traffic lane was empty. Only about half the queuing buses made it past the traffic light sequence.

cgcsb

So they've likely made an assessment themselves that they only need around half their spaces so as a society we seem to be saying that we want to give hundreds of square metres of public space to accommodate the storage of less than 200 private vehicles for the benefit of the multi national selfridges corporation for no reason other than corporate philanthropy.

Daith

Yeah, such a pity they couldn't finish the works on O'Connell Bridge at the same time as these changes. I still think the bus stop on O'Connell Bridge is a disaster too.

Paul2019

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551626#Comment_122551626

Did the purveyor of those "stats on RTE yesterday" have any views on whether traffic should be allowed back into Grafton and Henry Streets? I understand they were expecting a retailing apocalypse when those plans were first proposed.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551632#Comment_122551632

I notice in 1970 there were loads of people walking around. I don’t see anyone in the 2022 image. Maybe the buses weren’t running that day to bring people to the city.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551796#Comment_122551796

The 2022 image looks to be from Google Maps 3D image montage, I don't think it is a "real" image as such and I think it purposely removes people!

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551864#Comment_122551864

Will be interesting to see how this impacts the city. I almost never go to DC anymore. Maybe 4-5 times a year. It's too awkward to drive to and I hate public transport. I never used it as a through-route unless I was stopping there along the way for some reason.

I now go to the likes of Swords, or Blanch. Free, or nearly free parking depending on how long you stay in Swords Pavilions. Much easier to get to and from. Not quite the DC experience, but the pros far outweigh the cons.

Paul2019

You sound like a car park lobby group's wet dream…

stay free…or whatever

nachouser

"who have a higher spend on average than all other shoppers"

"But according to an analyst this week they are responsible for 25% of the spend on average in the city centre and in some stores up to 40%."

Sorry, but that seems very unlikely. Or maybe just poorly phrased. Any links?

92k peds on Aston Quay alone on New Years day.

https://data.gov.ie/dataset/dublin-city-centre-footfall-counters/resource/bd388560-7cb2-4c3c-9d29-b03dd0436e30?inner_span=True

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551912#Comment_122551912

Suburban shopping centres are one of the circles of hell, not just in M50-land but all over the world. Roaring kids, karens, cars and bland chain stores. All of that also exists in the city centre but in greatly reduced volumes and in the open air as opposed to a confined space and mixed with other things like dining, residential, office work etc.

But there are the personslity-less among us that swear by them. You do you hun,treat yourself to a Costa and get the racks in tk maxx. You might even catch some generic Hollywood Flick at an odeon or something.

Tarabuses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551796#Comment_122551796

Were the images taken at the same time of the day?

lordleitrim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551632#Comment_122551632

Is that earlier pic really from 1970 though? I thought it was only in the mid 80s that clearance of Stephen's Green West and South King Street buildings began for the shopping centre. Hard to believe they languished like that for 2 decades...

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551784#Comment_122551784

That bus stop used to be one of two on Lower O’Connell Street between Abbey St and Eden Quay.

Some genius decided years ago it was better to install a 100m cycle lane there instead, and the result was to dump waiting bus passengers out onto a completely unprotected windswept bridge.

It remains a disgraceful situation.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551977#Comment_122551977

The smug arrogance and delusions of how funny you are - what a great way to convince anyone to maybe even try the alternative!

Public transport is slow, expensive, uncomfortable and full of antisocial elements in the city centre and certain routes. It's already a struggle to convince anyone to willingly give up the car as it is without immature nonsense like the above. Not to mention the drug dealing junkie haven that is the city centre area generally that the Gardai seem either unable or unwilling to deal with.

By all means enjoy the "ambiance" though!

See, not that funny really is it? How about we see whether the actual results of the changes make any real difference before attacking those making perfectly valid points about the existing situation.

nachouser

Anyone willing to kick the tyres here to see if cars are more valuable in the city than peds?

Average spend on the lad buying a couch in Arnotts vs… the rest of the city.

https://data.gov.ie/dataset/dublin-city-centre-footfall-counters/resource/bd388560-7cb2-4c3c-9d29-b03dd0436e30?inner_span=True

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122552388#Comment_122552388

Someone's a serious-susan today. Just to clarify I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything and public transport, in Dublin at least, is far from expensive. You're also much more likely to pick up a few grams from your local dealer in blanch or liffey valley than you are more centrally but OK 👍

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551977#Comment_122551977

What?

Roaring kids in bland chain stores? How about roaring junkies on the main shopping streets in the CC. How about said junkies having a ride in broad daylight on a Georgian house doorstep? I only go to DCC if I have to. It's not exactly a nice place to be. A few failing high end restaurants and old buildings won't change that.

Karens are everywhere, especially in the CC. More easily avoided in those bland chain stores people seem to go to in suburbia, because apparently there aren't any chain stores in the CC. Definitely no TK Maxx in the ilac centre

One could take the bus to these soul-less abominations outside the spaghetti-loop which is DCC, but why do that when one can take their private mode of transport at their convenience and park in a location where they aren't raped by the parking meter after spending an hour or two driving around half the CC twice because every other road is closed off, jammed with parked buses, or is one way to discourage car use in the CC. Business will surely thrive!

Please, by all means, jump on that that bus when it eventually shows up and takes an hour to bring you to within a couple of miles from where you plan to go after suffering the smell of BO from some people who don't know how to wash themselves and the scummers who freely smoke weed at the back of the bus. Then haul your purchases back to the bus stop where you won't be harrassed by junkies asking for bus fare and cigarettes while you struggle to get feeling back into your arms.

Not a bus person? You could take the Luas (unless you live on the Northside of course)….it shows up on time most of the time and has the wonderful benefit of the cities biggest scumbags loudly interacting with passengers trying desperately to ignore them. You might even be entertained by said scummers attacking innocent passengers, security, or maybe even themselves. For this, they get free transport on the Luas…unofficially 😉.

Maybe you prefer to cycle to the CC? Yeah, pop into your specialist, unbranded grocery store and your independent book shop with all the character and atmosphere of a wet newspaper. Then you can load up your saddle bags with avacados and organic rice and stuff your pockets and spandex to the brim with a few copies of 90% discounted pre-owned copies of Susan Neiman's "Left Is Not Woke" Books to share with your readers club on a riveting Saturday night. But sure, I'll bring my costa coffee into the odeon to watch my hollywood flick while you do you 😂.

Nigzcurran

This thread has officially jumped the shark 😁

john boye

Was wondering how long it would be before the wokies got the blame!

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122552537#Comment_122552537

This was funny but then you over egged the junkie angle, junkies are pretty scarce in reality. And it's the personality-less suburban shoppers who would waste 2 hours of their life driving around dcc looking for parking ha, jokes on you. And you done yourself a disservice by defaulting to 'woke' for stuff you don't like

Sarn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551664#Comment_122551664

We’d very rarely drive into Arnotts, but on two Saturday over the past 18 months we’ve had to park on the top level in the open, it was that full.
Thankfully we never need to drive up Aston quay or along Bachelor’s walk. It’ll be interesting to see how well the restrictions are enforced.

28064212

I've seen multiple people say they can get from Burgh to Aston Quay by using the left turn to Fleet St from Westmoreland… that's also an illegal turn (as per: https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/city-centre-transport-plan-2023). You might as well just drive straight through, it's the same offence

WishUWereHere

I drove down OCS today, but I wouldn’t like to be relying on a bus heading up. From Princes Street right up to the Ambassador was jammed both lanes.

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122551655#Comment_122551655

It was on an RTE radio show on monday morning. I dont recall the name of the lady giving the stats, unfortunatley.