?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338409#Comment_122338409

Optics are important, nothing looney about it.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338409#Comment_122338409

I would say it's tongue in cheek but shouldn't be entirely discounted.

We all have a mental conception of 'what a leader looks like'.

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338403#Comment_122338403

If Harris was not a poc woman I suspect she'd score a lot higher on likeability scale but sadly that is the challenge. A charismatic white woman is their best chance, if there is one in the wings

eeepaulo

I have heard it reported that only kamala harris (or biden) can access the 250 million raised for the election so far, they are the only people named on the fundraising so (most of it) cant be given to a different candidate

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338330#Comment_122338330

Everybody wanted to forget about Trump after the 2020 election. You might remember that even Fox News for a brief period tried to pivot away from Trump in the immediate aftermath of the election like when they famously cut away from one of his long rambling speeches about how the election had been rigged against him. And there was the revelation that Tucker Carlson even once texted that he hates Trump passionately. Not forgetting that Ron DeSantis had long been mooted as a slicker (and probably controllable) Trump 2.0. Then there was Lindsay Graham who famously said, "…count me out…" in the wake of the Jan 6th attack. This is all to show that the Republican establishment and conservative American media would have gladly jettisoned Trump after he lost in 2020, but it was never in their hands to do so because the base remained loyal, and Trump has always been able to appeal to these people directly, not really needing the party apparatus or media to do so. It's really the latter who, in fact, must stick with Trump in order to maintain relevancy (and their jobs).

As for the Democrats keeping Trump in the public eye, Biden refused to even refer to Trump by name after taking the presidency. There was, of course, the whole Jan 6th Committee thing and subsequent prosecutions, but if people do bad things, they should be investigated and prosecuted. If that makes them more politically viable rather than less, that's really more of an indictment of the public mindset rather than the justice system.

Hande hoche!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338658#Comment_122338658

The prosecution timing was arguably very well timed to coincide with the GOP selection process. Think it was some Desantis surrogates that claimed it had the effect of sucking all the oxygen out of the contest. From a very cynical point of view it would be helpful for the opposition to nominate the man that has already lost to your candidate once already. While the wheels of justice turn slowly, easier to discredit someone convicted rather than accused.

Still seems like we are heading for a rematch of 2020.

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338537#Comment_122338537

Oh FFS this is a party and a nation who elected Barack Obama twice in a row. Harris being unlikable is nothing to do with her colour.

Not made with hands

The Democrats have to "Hold your nerve"

If Harris is to become the candidate she will get an initial bounce in the polls. Go too early and the bounce will be gone.

Timing will be very important if this is to happen.

Donald Trump

Bring back Bernie

LuckyLloyd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338754#Comment_122338754

It's also a country that has seen a white nationalist political movement that wallows in conspiracy theories, dog whistles and "othering" completely subsume the party of opposition to Obama since he was elected. So, you know…a female POC wouldn't be the ideal candidate to appeal to swing state voters in the current landscape.

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339272#Comment_122339272

And yet many are calling for Michelle Obama to be the saviour.

Listen to Kamala for 5 minutes and you can see why she's not popular. She's nearly as gormless as Joe Biden but without dementia to excuse it.

The subset of American voters who would reject Harris based on her skin colour is not the group who will determine the outcome. The election will be decided by moderates, not either side of the loyal voters.

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337006#Comment_122337006

”her history of making dosh locking black men up ”

So because she’s black she shouldn’t lock up black criminals? I really don’t get this argument, she was the district attorney. That’s her job, prosecuting criminals.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337822#Comment_122337822

What "mindset"?

Asking who's going to replace Biden?

Because that was, literally, the post you've replied to.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335382#Comment_122335382

These genuine odds? Or from your good self ?! Trump has it fairly sown up so if legit.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_9Ixej4miU

Trump v Kamala so

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338658#Comment_122338658

Aye, it was Trump who kept himself in the public eye, followed by the Republicans and their client media once they saw that the Jan 6th insurrection attempt wasn't the red line it should have been with his MAGA idiots.

The Democrats had nothing to do with it.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339371#Comment_122339371

Boylesports

thecretinhop

There has to be legal and technical issues to change ballot now. For example I think candidate in Georgia need to be verified by July 9th for example. It's a hot mess

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337586#Comment_122337586

That Tamil/Jamaican background could also raise question about her “Kwanzaa” messages about celebrating annually when she was a little girl.

But more seriously part of her track record could be divisive for Democrats. She seems to have adopted a “woke” persona since the last Democratic primaries, but she previously portrayed herself as a “tough on crime” DA. Increasing the numbers of marijuana prosecutions, and of course locking up minorities.

Perceived inaction as VP is another point.

Her inability to retain staff, and allegations of bullying by her and senior staff could come back too.

johnny_ultimate

Far from just an America problem (hi, France!) but western liberal and centrist politicians really, really need to move beyond the 'hold your nose and vote for the least worst candidate' approach to elections and policy-making if they want to stop ceding ground to the far-right. It's exactly that approach - uninspiring politicians advancing unpopular agendas - that's causing quite a chunk of the current political instability and public disillusionment.

Biden's a terrible candidate, and age-related concerns are only going to amplify even if he wins. No wonder people are confused and uncertain, even when the alternative is a narcissitic idiot with authoritarian dreams.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339272#Comment_122339272

big chunks of the population will have a problem with a black/female/gay president in America

EltonJohn69

the latest polling shows that male voters have abandoned Biden after the debate. He had a slight increase in female support.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339515#Comment_122339515

have you a link to this polling please?

Fr Tod Umptious

It's a great big problem for the Dems coming back to haunt them.

Biden had to chose Harris as his VP running mate because the old white man had to appease the progressive wing by selecting a woman of colour.

The woman of colour he picked happened to be an early candidate for the presidential nomination but was a disaster.

Now they are stuck with a doddery old man and a useless woman of colour.

Had he been able to pick a VP on merit, (and remember he was always going to be 4 years older in 2024 than in 2020 so succession should have been high on the agenda) then maybe the Dems would be in a better situation.

DrPhilG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339510#Comment_122339510

And that chunk of the population won't vote for Biden, Whitmer, Harris or Newsome anyway. They'll vote Trump, so it has no bearing on the outcome.

EltonJohn69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339528#Comment_122339528

https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aeGIH9kDkc5mrw16GmSgl?si=_pLOBdOvR2-WrOg9fDZKIA

podcast The Daily

rogber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122338754#Comment_122338754

You overlook the gender aspect too. One or the other might pass, but not both together. Too many men who want to roll back the clock to the good old days when women "knew their place"

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339597#Comment_122339597

all of the tolerant democrats will vote for her, just needs to pick up a few more independent votes than trump. should be well doable. i think she has a dodgy past regarding her time as CA DA though.

silverharp

DEI is all you need to know, no Newsom - a bottom of the pile White Man . think DEI think sexist lol

EltonJohn69

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/04/trump-golf-cart-video-biden-kamala-harris

Trump giving off mob boss vibes….. says Biden is out !