?????? v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting

castletownman

The ould Hulkster's acuity should be called into question too.

Was a time he'd rip that shirt clean off, took him two yanks at it last night.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400298#Comment_122400298

Once again mocking this argument that nobody made.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401018#Comment_122401018

Were the two yanks named?

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399932#Comment_122399932

If the Democrats' knack of screwing up their electoral chances is anything to go by, they're definitely going to pick Harris. They seem so set on staid corporate centrism that they're determined to stick with that even if it means handing the keys of the White House to Donald Trump. They seem totally averse to radical ideas or personalities heading up the party. I hear faint appeals to unity and stability as a reason for this but let's be honest - there is no hope for unity in the short term. Trump has convinced his followers that the Democratic party is a nest of Communists anyway

silverharp

Its interesting that the Dems are front running a coup against Biden, cancelling democracy sounds about right for Biden

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401061#Comment_122401061

Yeh that’s an even worse outcome than Biden not stepping down 😕

He could maybe step down from presidency too and in process Give Harris a chance to be president for few months hence

1. satisfying the black caucus who came out in her support
2. Satisfying all those who wanted a woman president
3. Enrage Trump for months
4. Allow her spend the Biden war cheat on another candidates ads
5. Make all the Trump 47 merchandise obsolete

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401061#Comment_122401061

There was a journalist on NPR talking about the prospects of Biden stepping aside. Basically said that he won't, but if he does they better not pass up Harris, because she's a black woman. No thought as to whether she's actually an appealing candidate in her own right.

It's incredible how there can be poll after poll showing that the majority of Americans support universal healthcare, affordable education, environmentalism, taxing the wealthy etc, yet the Democrats consistently **** on any candidate who pushes those ideas.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401087#Comment_122401087

They would do well not to choose Harris on the basis of identity because while that might satisfy some voters, I think that a much larger proportion of voters don't really care and I think that because this idea of being the first woman president was a big part of Hillary's platform but it was evidently superseded by her innate unlikeability and lack of message.

Is there anyone in that party with charisma and a message?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401171#Comment_122401171

I think latest thinking is when not if Biden steps aside.
I can see a lot of infighting if Harris is made presidential nominee and equally if she’s pushed back to VP role. Whatever their in-house fights they better do it as quietly and as quickly as they can so that they can look like a party united behind their chosen candidate. The election is still there to win for the Democrats if Trump keeps up the performances he did last night- but it’s not at all a forgone conclusion and Democrats could well feic it up

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401038#Comment_122401038

Thats what happens in a successful coup

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401234#Comment_122401234

They would have to have an open vote at the convention. I don't know why everyone is so stressed about it, it's the way Presidential candidates were chosen for literal centuries, the country didn't collapse because of it. All the hand wringing about money and ballots etc is just an excuse. There's plenty of time to run a campaign, especially as Trump is an easy target, he does half the work for you.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401252#Comment_122401252

He certainly is right now- let’s hope he doesn’t turn “nice” - if he actually started to do what he said he’d do which is reconcile the whole nation or some bollox like that then yes I would be worried

thatsdaft

Thread title might have to be changed soon

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/bidens-family-starts-discussing-exit-plan-2024-race-rcna162658

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/5-more-house-democrats-call-biden-drop-out

Babyreignbow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJKkR8O8hVA

very presidential presentation

Overheal

media rumor mill will continue but even if he does indicate a step down I think he will still accept the nomination at convention because of the campaign finances.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401682#Comment_122401682

I hope she runs, she alone would put an end to DEI hires worldwide, you think the Director of the Secret Service is a bumbling moran wait until the public get to see what Harris is capable of!!!

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401682#Comment_122401682

I've no interest in watching more than 30 seconds of that but it is refreshing to watch someone form and express coherent thoughts.

I was watching Derry Girls last night and the episode with Bill Clinton came on, and it was comical thinking of either Biden now or Trump standing there and giving any sort of speech in Derry without it being a mess.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401717#Comment_122401717

comical thinking of either Biden now or Trump standing there and giving any sort of speech in Derry without it being a mess.

I thought Biden's Ireland visit was pretty well received?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/politics/biden-ireland-trip-dublin/index.html

Boggles

Biden doesn't think Kamala can win. Amongst democrats and Indos who lean Democrats overwhelmingly would prefer Biden over Harris as their nominee.

It's one of the reasons he gives for running (privately apparently).

She really did kind of disappear into the furniture the past 3 odd years.

Another daft decision that has come back to bite them.

Kamala may have to exit stage left as well.

Would be absolutely amazing if she ran and won, but I think it could be a glass ceiling too far at this stage.

She is certainly auditioning, she has turned back into something resembling what got her the VP pick in the 1st place the past couple of days.

Maybe the Covid thing is a ploy to get her out in front and test the waters for a bit.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401902#Comment_122401902

And God only knows what an open Democratic convention would throw up, Bernie Sanders or something even crazier. Yep I can see why Biden might still genuinely believe he is the Dems' best bet, even after everything…

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401902#Comment_122401902

Biden himself had a very sheltered 4 years, he was hidden too. What kind of administration expects to be relected if both President and Vice President are kept as far away from the public as possible…I can understand why, Biden gets a fairly negative reception from ordinary people when he does make the rare trip outside the bubble they kept him in!!

This mess should have been sorted at least a year ago…

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401956#Comment_122401956

Something crazy like a politician who platforms for policies supported by an overwhelming majority of Americans, across the political spectrum? Man, how terrible would that be 🙄

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122399688#Comment_122399688

I saw someone say that his VP pick, Vance, is not there for the election, but for what comes after it.

We could be looking at a Republican White House, Senate, House and Supreme Court after his election. Anyone who says there is nothing to worry about with respect to democracy hasn't been paying attention.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400298#Comment_122400298

The significant thing about Jan 6th was the attempts by Trump and his inner circle to put pressure on Mike Pence to accept alternate slates of electors, an act in direct contravention of the constitution.

All the **** that went on (literally) with the gravy seal cosplayers was criminal, illegal and also a threat to democracy. But all those boyos got their wings clipped pretty conclusively. The real conspirators, much less so.

And that is why the US is still in this mess.

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122402164#Comment_122402164

doesnt matter Trump would still have left office at the time, its only in the Dem fever dream that he wouldnt have, anyway makes for a great drama, the comeback kid is a much better story

silverharp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401038#Comment_122401038

Mocking the Dems full stop

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403359#Comment_122403359

He made every effort to avoid leaving office. Even after leaving office, he continued to push election rigging conspiracy theories. So ya, it's more checks and balances prevented it rather than Trump being accepting of his fate.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122401962#Comment_122401962

You would think that they would have celebrated that achievement and left the stage patting each other on the back for a job well done.

It’s clear that regardless of whatever great speech Biden might make in tje next week, people are only going to focus on his ability to govern and hold office - policies, jobs, peoples welfare- none of those issues and solutions will be “heard” by his intended audience.

Personally I think he’ll be gone soon from the race -
II think Harris is a divisive candidate for president at this time - BUT- if appointed the new candidate now and unopposed, she’d have the maximum time possible to create a positive media image - given the right speeches I think she could do it - Clinton didn’t hold the female vote - I think she’s a much better chance - I mean hell, if you’ve Trump on one side, in one sense what better candidate to counteract him- I know people will say some bland white male would be better but that’s not going to mobilise voters - especially ethnic minorities which the the Democrats massively need to win this race.

It’s a gamble but the odds are poor right now anyway - but they’ve got a massively small window of opportunity right now - if they feic that up it’s game over.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403647#Comment_122403647

Harris has more chance of increasing her popularity than Biden does between now and the election… And she might help with down ballot votes.

The internal polling data would have to be very bad for Harris for it to be otherwise.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122400559#Comment_122400559

I'd sooner vote for Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho than Donald Trump.