Automatic Red Light and Bus Lane Cameras Coming

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113433#Comment_122113433

A good way of overcoming that is to have speed limits in cycle lanes. Gives drivers a better idea of how fast a bike could be going

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119192#Comment_122119192

Bicycles don't have speedometers…

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122113433#Comment_122113433

I'm sure the same applies at most junctions

It would only apply at left turning T Junctions surely

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119326#Comment_122119326

Neither did cars before they were made mandatory, E scooters I think do

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119434#Comment_122119434

Well tell me this now as you have such clever ideas, how will the speed be monitored? GoSafe Vans in the cycle lane is it? Or a Gard with a hairdryer hiding behind a bus shelter?

loyatemu

reluctant as I am to engage with such a moronic idea; if the limit is 30km/h then 95% of cyclists will be under it already (a far better figure than for cars I'd guess) and if it's 50km/h then 100% of cyclists will be compliant.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122039336#Comment_122039336

I hope so, because all it does is give comfort that RLJers won't get caught out. Another bane of my life. If we got rid of the delay, we would have 6 months of crashes and then people would start behaving, instead at certain junctions we ahve increasingly longer delays.

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119434#Comment_122119434

No, most don’t have a speedometer!

The law on e-scooters hasn’t been enacted yet, but their speed will be capped at a maximum of 25km/h (possibly just 20km/h) which. Is well below the 30 km/h speed limit.

E-bikes are capped at 25km/h too and don’t require a speedometer either.

It is a completely stupid idea, I can safely say that 99% of cyclists never get above 30km/h in a busy city center. 15km/h would be pretty typical for a commute cyclists. To get over 30km/h, you are talking about serious folks on racing bikes and even then it is hard to actually do that on busy city streets with lots of traffic lights, etc.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119568#Comment_122119568

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119767#Comment_122119767

Considering cyclists are more likely to cause crashes than cars the limit should be much lower, I'd suggest 10km/h but I guess the cyclists won't like that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119455#Comment_122119455

Ah yes the old nugget of "we can't police it so no point legislating"

We can't monitor every cocaine or heroine deal that goes on in the country so should we scrap the laws against them?

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

Considering cyclists are more likely to cause crashes than cars the limit should be much lower, I'd suggest 10km/h but I guess the cyclists won't like that

bwahahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

Wait, what. Cyclists are more likely to cause accidents due to breaking the speed limit. I haven't seen this data, can you link to it. This would imply that cyclists who cause accidents are a small subset of all cyclists. Also has nothing to do with RLJ or bus lane cameras but I am only replying as I had never heard this before, anywhere

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

No don't try and avoid the question with some nonsense reply..

If there's going to be cycle lane speed limits then how will those who break the speed limits you suggest be caught and punished? Will they get points on their "Cycling license"…. If you can't answer these questions then just admit your suggestion was a Joke..

bk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

[mod] You are just trolling now and off topic, don’t post in this thread again.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119338#Comment_122119338

No it would not only apply at left turning T Junctions, it could apply to any junction with a left turn filter lane (which would be a lot of the junctions where this left turn on flashing amber would apply). At your standard cross junction, some or all left turns could happen in the same phase.

The situation described at the Infirmary Road/Conynham Road T junction (where left turn from one road coincides with left/right/straight on from the perpendicular road) could equally apply to a cross junction.

It depends on filter lanes and light phasing rather than if the junction is a T or a cross. The key is the left filter lane, without it you can't hold left turning traffic so they don't cross the cycle lane when cyclists are continuing straight. If you have the left filter lane, and it can get green as part of an existing light phase, the flashing amber left turn just puts pedestrians and cyclists in danger unnecessarily.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121090#Comment_122121090

Is not the whole point of the flashing amber to combine left turn filters with pedestrian crossings and turn two cycles into one? The alternative is to have first filter lights, then ped crossing lights. On a cross junction this should, in theory, reduce the time between pedestrian crossings. They won't work well if there is a lot of expected turn traffic I'll grant you.

I'll admit I'm just incredibly used to them so I don't think too much about it.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121191#Comment_122121191

But if the left turn can already happen in an existing phase in the light sequence (as with Infirmary Road/Conynham Road and many others), it doesn't reduce the time between pedestrian crossings. It only impinges on time specifically allocated to pedestrians. Imo pedestrian green should be sacrosanct, drivers can feck off when the man is green.

I'm sure there are some junction layouts and time sequences where a phase could be avoided by combining the pedestrian crossing with a flashing amber left turn but even then, I'd be against the idea. Give drivers an inch and they will take a mile.

And I am well used to the turn on flashing amber too but I still don't see the need for it in a lot of cases.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121926#Comment_122121926

But if the left turn can already happen in an existing phase in the light sequence (as with Infirmary Road/Conynham Road and many others), it doesn't reduce the time between pedestrian crossings.

A left turn only at a cross junction inevitably involves increasing the traffic light sequence time though. If you need to put in turning filters as part of the sequence then you are increasing the length of the total sequence.

I don't really have an issue with someone objecting to it and I can see why people don't like it, I just don't agree that it is "solely" for drivers. It speeds up the light cycle which is a large part of what drives pedestrians to risk crossing against the lights as well.

extra-ordinary_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122046371#Comment_122046371

Private vehicles staying out of bus lanes is a safety issue for bicycle and motorcyclists.

It's an offence for a motorcycle to enter a bus lane the same as for a car.

And…will these red light cameras do anything about the hordes of cyclists who ignore them and just plough on through once it's 'only' pedestrians crossing.

Pete_Cavan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121949#Comment_122121949

A left turn only at a cross junction inevitably involves increasing the traffic light sequence time though

No, multiple left turns can happen in the same phase. Also right turns from the perpendicular arms of the junction could happen in the same phase as a left turn.

In most cases, these phases are there already. It is possible that a flashing amber left turn could reduce the number of phases but that does come at a price (trusting drivers to respect pedestrians is dangerous imo). It wouldn't reduce phases at all junctions, I suspect only a minority so hardly seems worth introducing.

The main reason for having left turns on filters imo is to avoid having cars turning across cyclists continuing straight on. It would be much better to eliminate that where possible, particularly on busy cycle routes (which will hopefully be all routes when the infrastructure is suitably improved).

SteM

Surprise, surprise. I doubt there'll ever be any meaningful roll out of this in my lifetime, we're a country that generally loves to drag it's heels on anything that might upset motorists.

https://www.irishtimes.com/transport/2024/05/14/red-light-camera-system-will-be-established-in-just-one-or-two-dublin-locations/

http://archive.today/2NtDj

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119999#Comment_122119999

The same fella claims to be a cyclist over on the Limerick threads.

You know the type. "I'm all for cycle lanes but" "I'm all for active travel but"

MJohnston

I think we can all agree that driver adherence to road rules has absolutely plummeted to near zero.

I'm not sure if red light cameras will change anything, but they're a start. Bus-lane cameras would make a huge difference.

The thing I'm much more looking forward to is the dashcam reporting portal, because when anyone around you can report you for your rule-breaking, then karma will follow you around everywhere.

monument

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119988#Comment_122119988

On topic please.

The topic is not cyclists or having a rant about cyclists, etc.

— Moderator

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137363#Comment_122137363

Is there any defined timeline for the introduction of the dashcam portal? It has been talked about for so long that I don't believe it will ever happen. The old nugget of GDPR etc is/has been cited as a reason. Yet, when there is a major incident Garda appeal for motorists dashcam footage l.

Seth Brundle

The dashcam portal will be a load of crap as it is being made out to be something which it is not.
Currently, our law is that video evidence of an offence is not actual evidence. It is used to back up a written statement which in reality is the evidence. This law has not changed and a written statement is still required.
So when the portal opens and everyone starts loading their dashcam footage of what they see, how many of them will actually take the time to head down to their local Garda station and spend the time watching a garda write out what you dictate to them (and also correct their inclusions, reverting back to what you actually said to them!)? You can be quite sure that it will be feck all!

The system is deliberately set up to be unhelpful!

Kaisr Sose

I agree the current system is set up to be cumbersome, ineffective etc.

However, is it not the case that the evidential/legislative basis has to /will be changed for the red light cameras to be introduced. Any change for that, if done correctly, would facilitate a dashcam portal.

Who knows...This is Ireland where our track record on roads policing is a close second to that of (Public) Transport Policing, which has none.

Seth Brundle

Nope. Apparently, we are getting a slightly fresher version of what we already have.

Kaisr Sose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122138092#Comment_122138092

Thats disappointing...Another loophole (sic. amendment) to the RTA, which is already a very complex and confusing outdated piece of legislation.

Meanwhile a complete consolidation /overhaul of the RTA into a simplified form for for the 21st Century remains a recommendation.

Tenzor07

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122122072#Comment_122122072

Stick your Umbrella in their spokes!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122137363#Comment_122137363

I've witness some atrocious driving lately, particularly when it comes to breaking red lights but just now saw a Panda recycling truck drop a gear a good 10 metres back from a junction on an orange light, and sailed through the junction a good 5 seconds after it turned red.

This particular junction is a busy crossroads in an urban area right beside a school, and it's now school collection time so there are loads of children around.

A red light camera would prevent that behaviour or else ensure that moron is issued with a fine and points (and as he was driving a very identifiable company vehicle possibly even disciplinary action at work).

I'd nearly argue that junctions with no lights would be safer these days, as drivers will always proceed with far more caution when traffic lights are not working.

And as for bus lane cameras, bus lanes may aswell not exist right now as they are so frequently used by private vehicles. The inbound section of the Fairview road works is a prime example of this.

trellheim

over on motors forum there's been a shite drivers camera thread for donkeys plenty of evidence if people wanted to prosecute .

Any Garda needing a quota of tickets need only stand on any number of junctions ( or Chesterfield avenue in the Phoenix park) and their quota will be filled within the hour.