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Driving Other Vehicles (extension) - query on restrictions

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  • 22-04-2024 5:33pm
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    galwaytt
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    Query on DOV on a motor policy.

    The DOV extension usually has a text stating (for example).. "driving of other vehicles not the property of the insured, which are taxed, insured by the owner and driven with the owners consent". Or somesuch. I understand the cover would be 3rd Party Only.

    My question is this: has anyone come across a limit or stipulation on that DOV clause where it excludes your spouses vehicle ?

    I mean as in specifically excluded DOV of your spouse's vehicle (but no-one else, not your sons/daughters, not a 'partner's etc etc).

    Renewal shopping atmo and came across this and thought it most odd.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #2
    Eggs For Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Standard clause



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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Spouse's jointly own everything so you could never drive your spouse's car. They are just making it clear to avoid confusion and the so that people can't use the innocent mistake law.



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051548#Comment_122051548

    Well, I checked my policies for 2022 and earlier when I last changed company (after nearly a decade with the same one), and then rang that (last) company and explicitly asked and was told they had no such limitation.

    If I wasn't married to her, I'd be covered, that's the problem. Which means its a discrimination based solely on marital status. That's gotta be red flag to someone, somewhere.

    I'll go through & check my other policies at the weekend and see what they say…

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051568#Comment_122051568

    I'd really like to see where that's in law or something. Have you got anything on that, somewhere ? - Google just returns stuff based on death etc.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051568#Comment_122051568

    Spouses have an insurable interest in each other's property but you and your wife do not jointly own her car. If that was the case, she wouldn't be able to sell it without your say-so.

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    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    In policy documents, this provision is almost always called 'Driving Other Cars' so …..

    Under DOC, Zurich have an exclusion for cars owned by your spouse or partner.

    • does not belong to you or your spouse/partner



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    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122052771#Comment_122052771

    Why are all insurance companies suddenly adding spouse's and partners to the cars you can't drive using the driving other cars extension since the law on innocent mistake has been implemented?



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    Eggs For Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    It's to stop couples operating 2 cars with only one policy in place. You insured on car A, with your wife as a named driver. She drives that one, while you drive carefully B (hers) under your DOC extension



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,776 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053967#Comment_122053967

    …yeah, but the text also (usually) says " so long as it is insured, (taxed) by the owner, and driven with their consent".

    So that would eliminate that, surely ?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    #11
    Eggs For Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122056500#Comment_122056500

    That has become a more recent addition to the clause. The spousal exclusion was the basis for what's there now



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    Uncle Pierre
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    My current policy (with Aviva) has no mention of an exclusion of my wife's car under Driving Other Vehicles. It doesn't even stipulate that the other car itself has to be taxed and insured -

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    Seems the only way this would exclude my wife's car is if it really is that case that legally, all property is viewed as jointly owned by spouses, as another poster suggests.

    But I have to wonder if that's true, and if so….what am I to do with my half of all the dresses in the wardrobe upstairs? And should I be worried about what she might do with with her half of "my" big collection of GAA match programmes, which she regards as nothing more than clutter and rubbish?



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    #13
    Eggs For Dinner
    Registered Users Posts: 2,982 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    Your insurance policy is a contract and all contract conditions vary from insurer to insurer. Read your certificate in conjunction with the schedule and policy document and you will see what applies



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    coylemj
    Registered Users Posts: 25,455 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062347#Comment_122062347

    To reinforce what Eggs for Dinner says above, you need to read the policy document. The cert is a simplified description of what is covered, it's principal intended use is to prove to a Garda that you are insured to drive your car (reg. no. xxx) and (if you have DOC) any other car. But there are heaps of restrictions that cannot be shown in the cert.

    Among which is this condition under 'Driving Other Cars' in the Aviva policy document …

    • a current certificate of insurance has been issued and remains in force on the Private car being driven under the Driving other cars cover provided;

    They don't exclude a car owned by your spouse.



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    GSBellew
    Registered Users Posts: 749 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Some insurance policy's have this exclusion, some do not, past twenty years we have just been named on each others policy as a second driver to avoid any potential issues, I have her on my classic policy's too even though she has not driven them in years, but if push came to shove and something went wrong I'd prefer there to be no ambiguity over cover.

    I always just presumed it was an anti fronting measure, to prevent a couple insuring a more expensive to insure "higher performance car" under the generally lower risk female with a runabout insured by the other but in reality they drive the opposite cars.



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    dontmindme
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    #17
    Marcusm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122051568#Comment_122051568

    no they don’t; each person’s property is their own in Irish law unless jointly owners. However, insurers generally exclude applying the driving other vehicles extension to vehicles owned by their spouses for policy reasons.



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    Marcusm
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053115#Comment_122053115

    you cannot say this so broadly. A person would only have an insurance interest in a spouse’s sole property to the extent that they would suffer financial hardship from its loss. A multimillionaire would likely not have an insurable interest in her husband’s Yaris even if it was a GR.



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