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Russia-Ukraine War (Threadbanned in op)

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    #1772
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285947#Comment_122285947

    Europe (by the very most part) is backing Ukraine, not Russia. You're not making sense.



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    #1773
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287109#Comment_122287109

    maybe they should have been backing peace

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1774
    eightieschewbaccy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    And what is your vision of peace? Peace amounts to Russia leaving Ukraine. Allowing Russia to take parts of Ukraine would firstly be enabling Russia to engage in expansionism. Nothing was done when Russia took Crimea so it gave them confidence to go further.

    This time round, they've gotten resistance. Their military has been decimated and they won't be able to expand. The only complaint most people have is that the West isn't giving them enough military assistance.

    You don't end up with peace when a nation invades, takes your sovereignty, kidnaps your children and commits genocide. Peace is Russia leaving, paying reparations and the likes of Putin going on trial for war crimes. Peace is not leaving Russia off.



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    #1775
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,455 ✭✭✭jmreire


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122285947#Comment_122285947

    When you are dealing with mad dictatorships like Putin's, there ARE no "middle" grounds. He wins or he loses, end of story. And if he wins in Ukraine, do you think that will be the end of it? Putins regime has to be obliterated 100%, preferably by outside forces, but change from within at this point would be good too. I'm not a great believer in the mantra that whoever comes after Putin could be worse, yes, that's possible, but what's 100% certain is that Putin has pretty much spent the cash and destroyed much of his military both in terms of manpower and equipment. And what will ultimately finish him if nothing else does is the Russian population themselves. For ordinary Russians, between the sanctions (and yes, they work) increasing interest rates (meaning higher payments on loans) inflation, etc. and now on top of all this, to compensate for the shortage of workers, working hrs are to be increased again, including weekends, but without any increase in salaries.



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    #1776
    SoapMcTavish
    Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭SoapMcTavish


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    And there it is ….. more transparent than glass



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    #1777
    ToweringPerformance
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    They will eventually.



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    #1778
    CorneliusBrown
    Registered Users Posts: 75 ✭✭CorneliusBrown


    there’s no hope at all those lads are ever getting crimea back. The sooner a negotiated solution happens the better. It’s not worth the suffering and loss of life.



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    #1779
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,455 ✭✭✭jmreire


    How do you think that the Syrians managed when their infrastructure was badly damaged, and at times completely shut down? I'll tell you. They used generators, thousands of them, small 3,4,5 Kva and upwards for houses etc. businesses used larger ones. During the time when the grid was active, the electricity was shared out in zones, and the OFF zones switched on their generators. They have managed for years like this, and still do at times. Ukrainians will manage too.



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    #1780
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    What does this mean in practical terms? Should they have just let Russia take over Ukraine or what are we talking about?



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    #1781
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,470 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    You were posting meaningless comments yesterday along similar lines, somehow trying to make the US culpable. When asked to spell out the details, to spell out what could have been done differently to protect Ukraine from Russian domination and invasion ... nothing.

    Another pro Russian masquerade.

    You are not for peace. You are for Russian tyranny. Pro Russian atrocity. Pro Russian war crimes. Pro Russian victory. A Russian peace is the peace of the grave. You would reward Russia with Ukrainian territory by your refusal to condemn them, that is not a recipe for peace but for more illegal aggressive wars of conquest and plunder and atrocity.

    Post edited by odyssey06 on

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1782
    Virgil°
    Registered Users Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287346#Comment_122287346

    God there's a lot of these types showing up lately right? The Kremlin apologists are getting properly riled up for some reason. Russia must be getting pretty desperate. This is great news! 😁



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    #1783
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287346#Comment_122287346

    After all, Ukraine is a faraway country of which we know little, right?



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    #1784
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    corneliusbrown Not worth it to whom? Its the Ukrainians who sre fighting and dying for their country and they consider it worth it.

    If its not worth it for the Russians, they can just go back home whenever they want



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    #1785
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122286733#Comment_122286733

    of the 150m of a population all that is needed is one man/woman with a gun or whatever to do the needful so I would not be too dispondent - I’d take the risk of he being replaced by someone worse. But I’d say that his replacement would have learned his lesson by just observing what has beeen going on and decide that it’s best that Ru cooperates with the west, et al. This could take 10 years +++ to achieve



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    #1786
    Raoul Duke III
    Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287390#Comment_122287390

    The entire national identity of Russia would need to drastically change in order for this to happen. (As drastically as Germany did post 1945)



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    #1787
    Field east
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    What was wrong with the peace in UKr after UssR broke up in 1991 .
    OR , for that matter , what was fundamentally wrong with the peace that existed in UKr up to 2014? The level of peace that existed in Russia after 1991 has nothing to do with Ukr



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    #1788
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    So you're saying Europe should have invaded Russia.



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    #1789
    wildefalcon
    Registered Users Posts: 931 ✭✭✭wildefalcon


    I wonder how Russia will cope having to import oil and fuel, after the Ukrainians decimate the Russian ability to refine oil.



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    #1790
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭gw80


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    Europe has always backed peace!

    Are you suggesting that secretly Europe have been pushing for war with Russia all along?

    While also being their number one buyer of gas and oil,making them filthy rich,so rich they could have built their army to be one of the most powerful armies on the planet and destroy Europe within weeks, and also investing in infrastructure and helping them to come into the 21 century, but all this time Europe have wanted war with Russia, that was very sneaky of Europe.



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    #1791
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    What a glib, hollow comment.



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    #1792
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287346#Comment_122287346

    Another patronising new account. Oh look, they're for 'peace' and 'settlement'.



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    #1793
    scottser
    Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭scottser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287236#Comment_122287236

    Europe did back peace. Merkel was instrumental in making Russia more European-facing in the 90s and 00s - after all, it was better to have Putin inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in. We built infrastructure to buy their oil and gas and they bought European luxury goods by the container-load in return. Europe's only mistake was to believe that Putin would start to respect international law and democracy. So this is all on Putin. All of it. There is absolutely no point in 'backing peace' when Putin's very livelihood depends on continuing the war. The time for peace has gone, so pick a side or sit down. And if you pick Russia, well I can point you to several videos of conscripts either being blown to bits in trenches by drones dropping grenades, or the same shooting themselves in the mouth with their own rifles rather than be brutalised by their own troops.



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    #1794
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I see there is a video out yesterday of Russia using FAB 3000. Seems to be 1st time they used that. Would not want to be near that when it hits.



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    #1795
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 18,200 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287731#Comment_122287731

    What did America back? everything is just a giant game of Risk to them, it would be funny if 30 years down the road it becomes common knowledge that it was just a US Op after Op by the geographically challenged

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #1796
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 29,470 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287816#Comment_122287816

    Conspiracy theory nonsense. Everything is just a game of bash the US to you, that is obvious.

    "It would be funny"?

    You have no more consideration for the people of Ukraine than Putin does. A post of absolute moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #1797
    scottser
    Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭scottser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287816#Comment_122287816

    Whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout what? What why who with the what now? Shift those goalposts to right over there. A bit more. No, a bit more. Good man, well deflected. Shame those Russian conscripts can't deflect those FPVs as well, eh?



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    #1798
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,691 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287749#Comment_122287749

    Alas, seeing as they are as likely to use it on a Supermarket as on a military installation the Ukrainian civilians can't do much about avoiding it.



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    #1799
    Dubh Geannain
    Registered Users Posts: 3,425 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287816#Comment_122287816

    So you're now saying. America, not Europe should have invaded Russia then we'd have peace. Gotcha.



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    #1800
    RGARDINR
    Registered Users Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287900#Comment_122287900

    V true.



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    #1801
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122287816#Comment_122287816

    Wow… you've really jumped the shark today.

    You're understanding of how global politics has worked for centuries appear threadbare… US is far from perfect, but then the alternative powers we have are who? Russia? China? A Petro State? Compared to the powers that ruled the world during two world wars, colonisation and the slave trade, the US today is doing a pretty good job of trying to keep bad actors sitting down and allowing free global trade. Meanwhile, the alternatives putting their hand up for consideration?

    This old mantra of BAD USA is really getting tired, but there's always someone new to parrot the same message like a broken record, while the sit here in the West reaping the fruits of democracy and capitalism.



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