Russia-Ukraine War

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122254692#Comment_122254692

Bother me? I said "Any day the Russian economy will collapse now"

How do summarise that as bothering me. It's a good thing.

Dohnjoe

So, if I have this right

The G7 leaders are going to take out a loan of 50 billion each year, give it to Ukraine, then use the interest from the seized Russian assets to pay the interest on that loan - something like that. Plus there's a bevy of 10 year bilateral agreements for Ukraine. Putin's fallback "wait them out" goal not looking so good.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256212#Comment_122256212

Yes Russian loot used to fight Russian looters, very nice!

Some like Biden are playing chess, others like Putin are playing tick tack toe

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122255558#Comment_122255558

Yes Rhodesia in the 1970’s was a prime example. Sanctioned by most western countries it managed to survive until the Portuguese dictatorship collapsed. One country was enough to keep it going. But again they were in nothing like the situation Russia are today.

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122255705#Comment_122255705

Holy crap, what the hell?!

What does he shout?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256198#Comment_122256198

It seems Ukraine situation has improved since the GOP got out of the way of funding, wouldn't you say?

engineerws

Noted Jeffrey Sachs points to BRICS as having a greater output than g7

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/pb8f3a3afw8braph48eedge5bbewy4

And Saudi's moved off the petrodollar. I think the US has plenty of gas in the tank but just wondering what people here think? Is the US in decline?

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256426#Comment_122256426

quite the opposite

https://thehill.com/business/4715951-world-bank-impressive-us-economy-is-powering-the-world/

And everyone is getting an example of what a country without euros/dollars endsup like today 😂

https://twitter.com/DucuGavril/status/1801246017624391767

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256426#Comment_122256426

Even if by some miracle that was true. None of the other countries in BRICS are directly supporting Russias invasion in the same way as the G7 are directly supporting Ukraines defence.

What's your opinion? Or are you just here to ask questions?

TheValeyard

Not only F16???

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1801331560655790285

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256463#Comment_122256463

I get that you don't like Russia but you do realise that the world bank is now listing Russia as the fourth largest economy?

https://finshots.in/archive/russia-fourth-largest-economy-gdp-ppp-world-bank/

Putting the loss of Russian lives aside which is surely likely to have a negative impact on Russia in the longer term, it's economy is doing very well at the moment. Obviously, the us has a bigger economy but I'm guessing Saudi selling in rubles is not a great outcome for the US?

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256743#Comment_122256743

Do you even read the articles you dump?

"But is this war led growth sustainable in the long run? Most economists would disagree."

We have seen this Russian misinformation before on the thread.

Its not real sustainable economic growth. It is an economy eating itself to fuel a war.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256481#Comment_122256481

Just here to ask questions. I was thinking of taking a USD/CHF trade.

I'm finding it hard to tell. China is better at technology than the US now although not yet as inventive but the US is the US and they've a lot of gas/ oil.

My guess is they're headed for serious trouble with their debt still rising and the petrodollar falling but not sure when the market will price it in.

Anyway, I hope there'll be a ceasefire in Ukraine soon from a humanitarian perspective.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256751#Comment_122256751

No need to be rude. I'm not even Russian btw.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256557#Comment_122256557

It's a long term security arrangement. In 10 years time I'd say Ukraine would prefer to be flying more modern and more suitable planes than F16's. I don't think it's related to current aid packages, it's more long term, post war agreements.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256770#Comment_122256770

You were caught out misrepresenting your own linked article and now try and fail to play the victim. I dont know why you are posting misinformation but it will be challenged when you do.

The information coming from Russia cannot be independently verified, they are pumping out misinformation about their own economy.

But sure try and distract from the chaos on the Russian stock market, currency and banks today with a misrepresented article. Anybody paying attention to the thread can see right through it, as they have done then previous times the Russian misinformation was shared.

Polar101

I'd rather get paid in petrodollars than roubles. Looks like Russians would too.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256743#Comment_122256743

Claims based on Russian provided information (with questionable PPP nonsense thrown ontop) and not independently verified

Pull the other one

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256795#Comment_122256795

No idea what you're going on about. The article points to Russia's current GDP growth and increase in world rankings. It may get worse it may get better, I don't know. It cites many economists as thinking things will get worse. I don't see how I misrepresented it. Some other posters put up a meme saying their economy is in ruins which does not seem to be true.

Anyway, what a lousy way of speaking with someone. You're accusing me of being Russian.

I came here thinking I might get an idea of what is happening in Ukraine. I haven't kept up with it that well of late. Anyway, enough said.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256770#Comment_122256770

They weren't being rude. And you weren't accused of being Russian(Interesting that's where you lept to first).

What I was hinting at was the potential that you're acting as an apologist for Russia. There's plenty of them around that aren't of Russian nationality. Including 2 Irish MEPs(One of which has been shown the door and it's looking like the other will soon hopefully). Including dozens that have been banned from this thread.

So if you'd like to disabuse us of the notion that your sympathies lie with the Russian state then I offer you that chance now. Which is what I was doing before. In good faith.

Anyway, I hope there'll be a ceasefire in Ukraine soon from a humanitarian perspective.

By Russian troops leaving Ukrainian international borders right? Or would you see it as being acceptable that Russia gets to keep the land they've stolen and murdered their way across? For some sort of temporary peace?

wassie

Darth all over the Irish MEP elections

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1800774995737801130

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256831#Comment_122256831

Nope. Where in my posts did I accuse you of being Russian? Well? Go back and re-read them.

Why did you leave this part out of the article if you wanted to get an idea of what is happening in Ukraine and convey information about the Russian economy?

"But is this war led growth sustainable in the long run? Most economists would disagree."

You cherry picked out the parts that portray Russia in a favourable light. That's misrepresentation.

It's the conclusion of the article, pretty important part to leave out if you're discussing Russia's economy.

Also, the article was published before today's chaos, it is already been superseded by events.

Why is it that your "just asking questions" tend to be loaded with a premise that is favourable to Russia, negative to Ukraine \ Western backers. That's not a coincidence.

Multiple posters have engaged with you, pointed out the information on their economy statistics such as GDP cannot be verified. You've shown zero interest in engaging with them, just asking more questions, playing the victim… but we're supposed to believe you're just here to learn more about the war? Simply not a credible claim from your posts.

But if you are just here to learn about the war, it is reasonable to ask your view of the war, do you condemn without reservation Russia's illegal war of aggression and plunder in Ukraine, both the act of the invasion and the way in which they have conducted the war, through war crime and atrocity? That Ukraine is the innocent victim of Russian aggression, entitled to defend itself, and that Western countries should be aiding Ukraine in their defence as per their ability to do so? That it would be a negative thing for peace and rules based order in Europe were Russia to be rewarded for such an illegal invasion?

zerosquared

Didn’t i predict earlier that it’s only a matter of time before someone pops along to tell us about the impeding collapse of the dollar

on a day where there’s bank runs in Russia and there’s no longer officially possible to exchange roubles for dollars/euro only a black market rate

Gosh so predictable

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256818#Comment_122256818

It's the world bank reporting the data, e.g.

In Russia, growth picked up to 3.6 percent in 2023—a 1 percentage point upward revision from January’s estimate. The upgrade largely reflects stronger-than-expected private demand, supported by subsidized mortgages, fiscal measures, and a tight labor market (figure 2.2.1.B). Increased military expenditures also boosted activity. After cuts in early 2024, oil production hovered around 9.2 mb/d in the second quarter, down by 0.4 mb/d from 2023 (IEA 2024).

Are you saying that Putin controls the world bank🫨

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256743#Comment_122256743

No it isn't. It's not even in the top 10.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256903#Comment_122256903

They send the report to the world bank and imf

There’s isn’t some sort of delegation of suited accountants and auditors that arrives every year into the Kremlin and audits the books 🤣

This is the same country that claimed to have destroyed …. 14,000 Ukrainian tanks

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256845#Comment_122256845

My sympathies lie with Ireland.

I think the USA, Russia and Ukraine should sit down together and knock out a deal. Surely that's the logical thing to do?

As for how I see it, the more Ukraine fights the more they are losing.

It seems a bit stupid now but I was trying to get a gauge on how the war is going. Sounds awful really considering the loss of life and I feel a bit ashamed saying it. I'll leave you all to the chat.

I just feel sorry for the people dying and their families and hope the war will end. Not here for an argument. Bye.

Raoul Duke III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256267#Comment_122256267

Rhodesia was a British colony, not Portugese

TheValeyard

Mick Wallace is out. Brilliant. :)

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256855#Comment_122256855

You said I was posting Russian disinformation. I posted a report on world bank figures and you said I misrepresented it. Given they were my words, it appeared to me you were accusing me of being Russian.

Fwiw, I'm not Russian and have never been to Russia although I am a fan of Chekhov and Dostoevsky. Anyway, I'm not Russian and am not spreading misinformation

pcardin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256937#Comment_122256937

143 posts and mask is completely off already. Jeezz, that is poor!

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256937#Comment_122256937

It's such an easy question to answer. Here look:

I condemn Russia's illegal and brutal invasion of Ukraine sovereign territory. I think Putin is a war criminal and should be punished for his genocidal actions. The quickest and most logical way to peace is that Russia simply goes home.

Is there something in those statements that you find contentious?

My sympathies lie with Ireland.

I asked you if your sympathies lie with Russia. It's not an either or. I've no idea what this answer even means? Our country is doing fine relative to Ukraine. We don't live in a war ravaged nation and the fact that you decided to dodge the obvious intent behind my question is quite telling.

You support Russia. You think you're fooling us with this both sides, peace now schtick. You are not. It's boring, tedious and not in the slightest original at this point.

Anyway, I'm not Russian and am not spreading misinformation

I really don't know why you keep saying this. Nobody accused you of being Russian.

So yeah. Bye.

junkyarddog

Wallace and Daly gone!

Democracy in action.

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256942#Comment_122256942

was a British colony until 1965. Declared unilateral independence under the government of Ian smith. Was able to access the seas across Mozambique which was Portuguese colony until 1975. Extremely racist country Was the most sanctioned country in the world at that time. But that Mozambique access corridor was enough to keep it alive until 1979/80.

zerosquared

anyways back to the collapse

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1801325442273570942

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1801343354908635269

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256964#Comment_122256964

Nope, again, my posts did not include the word 'disinformation'. That is several times now your posts have not accurately represented the content of the posts you are referring to. You were not accused of being Russia or of spreading Russian disinformation in any post.

You were posting misinformation that emanated in Russia, without scrutiny, cherry picking out the favourable parts to Russia. And in doing so, you even misrepresented the contents of the article, by leaving out the conclusion which was negative towards Russia's economy.

Noted you failed to reply to the pertinent questions about your view of the conflict which says it all. Exactly the post response expected of an apologist for Russia's invasion. We're seen such evasions multiple times on the thread, often enough to know the reason why it is done.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256915#Comment_122256915

The ICP is a multi-partner statistical initiative coordinated by the World Bank under the auspices of the United Nations Statistical Commission.

Next up.

The global economy was $152.4 trillion when measured in PPP terms. ▪ The largest economy in the world in 2021 was China, recording a PPP-based GDP of $28.8 trillion, reflecting 18.9 percent of the global GDP. The United States was the second largest, with nearly $23.6 trillion or 15.5 percent of the global GDP. India’s economy was the third largest at $11.0 trillion, accounting for 7.2 percent. ▪ Also in the ten largest economies group were the Russian Federation ($5.7 trillion and 3.8 percent), Japan ($5.6 trillion and 3.7 percent), Germany ($5.2 trillion and 3.4 percent), Brazil ($3.7 trillion and 2.4 percent), France ($3.6 trillion and 2.4 percent), the United Kingdom ($3.5 trillion and 2.3 percent), and Indonesia ($3.5 trillion and 2.3 percent).

ICP lists Russia as 4th. That's what the article was talking about. Maybe it Russian disinformation.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256927#Comment_122256927

I don't know much about it but would imagine if they were that useless it would be a pointless exercise, i.e. Cuba could say it had the biggest economy in the world and by your logic they'd just report that scenario.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256970#Comment_122256970

I've no mask😅

engineerws

Oops...

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257005#Comment_122257005

It’s a pointless excercise for countries where lying is a way of life. Yes now you get it, that is the point.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256994#Comment_122256994

All the figures you are quoting are from 2021.

How is this relevant to the current Russian economy or events being reported today on the Russian stock market and banks?

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257005#Comment_122257005

Do you think Russia has illegally invaded Ukraine and should leave the region entirely? So you think they are committing genocide? Also just an fyi, their domestic profit is being driven by the war and that's not maintainable in the long term. The economy is also a train wreck....

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256986#Comment_122256986

I wonder how much their demise was to do with their Pro-Russian stance?

wassie

….

REBELSAFC

Hopefully they feck off now to Moscow and stay away from our tv screens.

I'm going to have a celebratory drink tonight 🤪

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257050#Comment_122257050

A lot I would think. It made them toxic to transfers and thinking lefties knew they couldn't vote for someone who has backed Putin.

Fantastic news for Ireland, it would be shameful to elect someone who backs Putin at EU level, particularly when we won't support the Ukrainian armed forces.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256976#Comment_122256976

I think it's a really stupid and brutal line of questioning, a bit like how people were expected to condemn Hamas before discussing the Israelis murderous rampage.

When the USA armed turkey, the Russian's armed the Cuban's and we nearly had world war 3. I don't think the Americans should have been attacking and destabilizing Cuba and we were very lucky the Russian intervention didn't cause world war 3.

It's a similar scenario in Ukraine. It's not an easy primary school answer. It's a complex situation.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainians and Russian's dying on the battlefield. Ukraine is a disaster now, I don't know what type of society will exist after the war. I don't know enough Ukrainians to comment but my neighbour who was from Ukraine and living in Ireland before the war was lovely.

There seems to have been issues with groups like the Azov battalion that the US refused to arm due to their links to Banderas but probably in a similar way to the IRA in the north.

I was saddened to see support increase significantly for Banderas since the Russians invaded. I feel sorry for the Ukrainians, they would have been better to steer clear of the Americans IMHO and hope Ukraine can find a good spirit after the war ends

Akabusi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256994#Comment_122256994

Is that 2021 figures you are quoting? Can you tell what was different in 2021 to now?

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256991#Comment_122256991

Apologies, not seeing the difference between disinformation/ misinformation. Just thought it was rude.