Russia-Ukraine War

engineerws

Look all, have tried to keep up with the comments coming at me, noneof which were particularly helpful. I'm signing off here

wassie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257080#Comment_122257080

I thought you posted you were leaving?

junkyarddog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257050#Comment_122257050

Probably quite a lot.

Virgil°

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257080#Comment_122257080

I think it's a really stupid and brutal line of questioning

For someone who's been pissing and moaning since the beginning about others being rude to you seems a bit hypocritical for you to be calling me stupid no?

I'm going to ignore the whole Israel/Hamas/Cuba issue as it has it's own separate thread and doesn't need discussion here.

It's a similar scenario in Ukraine. It's not an easy primary school answer. It's a complex situation.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainians and Russian's dying on the battlefield. Ukraine is a disaster now, I don't know what type of society will exist after the war. I don't know enough Ukrainians to comment but my neighbour who was from Ukraine and living in Ireland before the war was lovely.

Again you dodged my point. In what way is it similar? In what way were any of my non-contentious statements false or primary school like? Simply declaring my points as being uncomplex and juvenille doesn't make them so.

Maybe if you feel so sorry for the Russians dying on the battlefield you should be advocating for them to go home no? Ukraine aren't going to be chasing them across the border to Moscow. Why are you avoiding the simplest and least complicated solution as being the best one?

There seems to have been issues with groups like the Azov battalion that the US refused to arm due to their links to Banderas but probably in a similar way to the IRA in the north.

Russian propaganda verbatim. Azov filled with Nazis etc etc……..

I feel sorry for the Ukrainians, they would have been better to steer clear of the Americans IMHO and hope Ukraine can find a good spirit after the war ends

You feel sorry for the Ukrainians but not enough to cast any sort of aspersion over the country blatantly invading and murdering them. Weird position to take.

Here's one for you:

• Has Russia committed genocidal acts in Bucha?
• Did Putin publicly admit on television to lifting Ukrainian children from the occupied territories to re-patriostise them?

No need to regale me with tales of American misgivings, Cuban missile crises or the ongoing Hamas/Israel calamity.

A few simple yes or no's will do. Thanks.

Jinglejangle69

I always always know what I’m dealing with when I read “ I just feel sorry for the people dying in Ukraine, we need peace now”

Got ya…..

purplepanda

😜👍😎😂🍻🇺🇦. feck off ye pair of tramps 🤡

Polar101

https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1801265878832447761

Bye bye petrodollar, the real currency is going strong.

Virgil°

Fantastic day all round really:

• Sanctions have the Russian banks and stock exchange in tatters.
• No Russian ground gains made
• F16's really soon/ Russian air defenses\radars becoming endangered species.
• Wallace and Daly the Russian ghouls no longer embarrassing us on the world stage.
• Ukraine to receive a cool 50 billion loan off the back of Russian asset profits.
• Russian apologists showing up in force confirming things are going badly for them.

My mood really does swing from day to day based on Ukrainian related news (Probably not a healthy thing) Have I missed anything?

saabsaab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257245#Comment_122257245

No. I think you've covered everything.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257245#Comment_122257245

Yes! In all the excitement nearly forgot post this thread and infographics

https://twitter.com/Volodymyr_D_/status/1800972618625056871

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122254722#Comment_122254722

I can't quite make out the labels, but if it is Russian Standard, then at least it was a pretty good Vodka..

zerosquared

10 minutes left in the day, can squeeze in more good news

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1801330167165464813

Hopefully them ships sink too, they few hours behind in EST time zone 😄

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257389#Comment_122257389

Those ships are a lot safer in Cuba than Sevastopol that's for sure.

Hopefully Ukraine will get them on the way back.

SoapMcTavish

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257093#Comment_122257093

Good.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257080#Comment_122257080

"Hope Ukraine can find a good spirit after the war ends". Real sniff of the "poor waif in his underwear" in the language used in these posts, or very odd for a native English speaker in Ireland.

Add to the "just asking questions", regurgitation of current Kremlin spin, "sanctions aren't working", Banderas/nazis mentioned, hints of escalation/nukes, talks of "peace" minus any condemnation of the invaders and blaming the US/West? It's like a tick the boxes exercise for Russian bots. At least try and run off a different script.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257647#Comment_122257647

I hope they can find a good spirit too. Perhaps we could send them a few barrels of Midleton for the celebrations after repelling the Russian invaders? Least we can do.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122256267#Comment_122256267

Do you mean Mozambique?

randomuser02125

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257093#Comment_122257093

Just as well. You're not especially good at this edgelord business.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257720#Comment_122257720

The new generation sent out on manure spreading duties is just not as good as the old professionals, seems all the good old ones are already pushing sunflowers somewhere out east

Anyways 😃 speaking of the old guard

https://twitter.com/LordWellington6/status/1801373608293388413

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257758#Comment_122257758

I wonder if the Kremlin will attempt to still use them as Anglo-phone talking pieces for their propiganda…or maybe they can't be bothered now that they're not MEPs. Although they're not really short of anglophones for this, since they easily get Tucker Carlson over to marvel at their coin-locked shopping trolleys, and their….bread isle? Wallace & Daly likely lack the screen presence needed to even work as a talking-head on RT.

But that said…with the Russians facing serious financial problems…maybe RT would actually try to hire in these two on the cheap.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257758#Comment_122257758

Happy to see the back of that mangy lad. But at least Mick had the decency to speak to the broadcast media and thank his supporters. I doubt we'll hear or see of him again, unless in relation to some taxes owed.

Dick phelan

Delighted the two comrades Wallace and Daly were given the boot. Good to see Irish people having no time for pro Putin puppets.

Rawr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258071#Comment_122258071

Daly's early elimination and huff-filled flight from the RDS does warm my heart.

I was however a little concerned that Wallace was in the running right up until the end. I had hoped he would also be eliminated early, but he got a good few No1s and transfers. I hope most of those voters were simply unaware of his loyalites to the Kremlin and were not voting on the basis of that.

zerosquared

Russian state media reported that almost a month’s worth of rain fell in some areas of Moscow in a few hours, citing the capital’s authorities.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/cars-houses-submerged-severe-flooding-moscow-3109232

That’s unfortunate

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258071#Comment_122258071

I'm quite conflicted about them, to be fair. They were both principled left-wingers and I voted for Daly both as TD and MEP. I was pretty surprised by their pro-Putin schtick and couldn't believe the utter shite they were spewing this past few years so I was happy to bin them off over their position on Ukraine (and indeed Taiwan) this time around. I can't understand why anyone could support the subjugation and invasion of another sovereign country and the erosion of hard-won rights from its citizens. Europe is at war for those rights and freedoms, and even the pacifists will have to choose a side at some stage.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257366#Comment_122257366

Who is he? What are his sources? And how do satellites tell what condition tanks in warehouses are in?

Paddigol

The pessimist in me thinks he'll be back staring out at us from election posters again in a few months time. Would be a shoe in for Dail elections if his numbers in the Euros are anything to go by. Presumably most of his votes came from Wexford.

Edit: the quote button didn't work for me - this was meant to be a reply to @Furze99 post above re Wurzel Wallace

20silkcut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122257712#Comment_122257712

yes which was a Portuguese colony until 1975. Portugal single-handedly allowed Rhodesia to exist for 15 years.
Countries can exist with just one friend.

zerosquared

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258152#Comment_122258152

Someone who offers a bit more nuanced angle than the usual “Russia has endless resources” meme that gets peddled here regularly

keeponhurling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258107#Comment_122258107

Are they blaming NATO ?

ToweringPerformance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258214#Comment_122258214

Can you answer the question?

Akabusi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258147#Comment_122258147

Wallace was never a principled left-winger.

ToweringPerformance

Putin threatening the west again with talk of nukes. Getting boring now at this stage. Just finish this clown off.

'Close to the point of no return': Putin issues ominous warning in attack on West

The "selfishness and hypocrisy of Western countries" has led to a "dangerous turn of events" and we have "come close to a point of no return", Vladimir Putin has said.

Speaking at a meeting with Russian foreign ministry officials, the Kremlin leader issued the ominous warning as he accused Washington of undermining global security because of its exit from arms pacts.

He also said the West's theft of Russian assets would "not remain unpunished".

"Washington has unilaterally withdrawn from various arms control treaties," he said.

"At the end of the day, the selfishness and hypocrisy of Western countries led to a dangerous turn of events and we have come close to a point of no return.

"They wanted to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia despite its nuclear arsenals this is what the Western policy is all about. 

"They either fail to understand the threats they create or simply believe in their impunity and exclusive nature. Both can lead to tragedies."

In 2019, the US formally withdrew from a key nuclear treaty with Russia.

The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) was signed by former US president Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1987 and banned missiles with ranges between 310-3,400 miles.

But the US pulled out of it, claiming it undermined its national security interests.

And then in 2023, Russia suspended its participation in the 2010 New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START) with the US, which caps the number of strategic nuclear warheads that the US and Russia can deploy.

ToweringPerformance

North Korea continues to help out the Moscow dwarf

North Korea sends Russia containers that could hold 5 million artillery shells

North Korea has sent containers to Russia that could hold nearly five million artillery shells, South Korea's defence minister has said.

Speaking to Bloomberg News, Shin Wosnik said that Seoul had detected at least 10,000 shipping containers on their way to Russia.

In return, Russia has reportedly sent North Korea technology to helps in its plans to destroy spy satellites as well as conventional arms.

“Putin is expected to seek closer security cooperation with North Korea, especially military supplies such as artillery shells that are necessary to seize a chance to win,” Shin said.

Vladimir Putin is expected to visit Pyongyang in the coming days to meet Kim Jong-un. 

The North Korean leader visited Russia last September where he is believed to have agreed a deal with Mr Putin that saw Moscow receive armaments in return for technological support for North Korea's space programme.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258105#Comment_122258105

This is something I couldn't understand either, the sheer Nr of people who voted for him? What has he been doing in his own constituency and for Ireland generally to gather such a following?

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258411#Comment_122258411

Wallace was a committed anti-war campaigner and he aligned himself with the Kieran Allen of the SWP, the IAWM and others during the gulf wars, prior to him entering politics. An anti-war stance is by definition a left-wing stance and where alliances with other anti-war/anti-imperialists could be developed.

jmreire

Putis dam busting in Ukraine coming back to haunt him??? I wonder if the Moscow Metro was affected?

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258152#Comment_122258152

I'll take a stab at the satellite part of your question, though I'll of course defer to people with greater experience in that matter. It is of course true that satellites can't look directly into a warehouse to check out the state of a vehicle, read the maintenance log, etc. However, there are several indirect indicators that can be used.

In the visual spectrum, it would be the state of the ground around those warehouses. Is the area well-kept or overgrown and chaotic? Has any vegetation recently been disturbed by vehicles moving through? The same goes for any soil that might be surrounding the complex in question. This can tell you whether the tanks in question have been taken out for test drives, etc. recently to check their functionality. And of course, there's the state of the warehouses themselves. Are there indications of damaged roof panels or other structural damage?

On the infrared side, satellites should be able to pick up any residual heat from a tank's engine being run, even inside a building. I can't imagine the likes of the 420th reserve guards tank battalion in upper Yakutia being too fussed about the presence of US satellites overhead, so at least some overpasses would have had to show at least some of that activity. And while the types of high resolution imagery that military satellites capture will hardly ever leave the realms of the military or intelligence community, there are enough commercial earth observation satellites out there that should at least be able to pick up some indication of recent activity.

These are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head. There might be other indicators and of course none of us have any real idea of the capability of modern recon satellites. Once again, I accept that these are only indirect indicators, but they're at least something.

thomil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258508#Comment_122258508

It's now the Moscow subway, "sub" being the key part…

aidanodr

Stock reply from Ukraine and West .. GO FCK YOURSELF

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1801567691741806762

Dick phelan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258147#Comment_122258147

Na sorry nothing principled about them. Just typical far left hate everything West shills. Happy to scream about the evils of America or Israel but nothing but either silence or outright support on the evils of China, Russia etc. in their small minded world view, West =Bad Non West = Good.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258588#Comment_122258588

And, we love the sponger lifestyle paid for by tax revenues from… <crickets>

Plus the free military protection.

10000maniacs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258105#Comment_122258105

Just happy neither of them will be contaminating our TV screens any time soon.

What did they seriously expect Ukraine to do?

Bend over and take it from Russia?

This made my day!

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258487#Comment_122258487

Irish politics has never really required you to do anything for anyone. It's often enough to simply be memorable/ recognisable and seen to be sticking it to the elites.

If Wurzel had neat hair, shaved and wore a suit the chances of him being elected would be slashed. As a wine bar owning, vineyard owning, property developing, brown envelope bothering tax fraud, he'd just look like any other money hungry Irish leach.

Same with the Healy Rae's and Lowry's… although at least the Healy Raes seem to be in touch with their local constituents and fight for things that bother them, as long as it stands to benefit the Healy Raes too.

Wallace will be back as a TD if he wants the salary and pension and is bothered to run.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258588#Comment_122258588

That's a really inaccurate description of both of them, and one that just shows your ignorance of left-wing politics. You are factually wrong though, as they were elected on an anti-war platform which in the 2000s was a common-sense position given the blatant rape of Iraq and the later destruction of Syria etc. There were widespread protests here at the use of Shannon and our complicity in civilian deaths and other war crimes by the US military. Over time however, they have been sympathetic to the Iranian autocracy while staying silent on the protests on woment's rights. They fully endorsed China's expansionist plans for Taiwan, and they have doubled down in support of Putin. They have both taken some weird geo-political stance and forgotten about protecting and advocating for the rights and freedoms of the peoples who need them most. So whatever left-wing credentials they both had at the start, they are long gone now and for that, they can both jog on as far as I'm concerned.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258507#Comment_122258507

There are plenty of anti-war centrists. Plenty of them. Anti-war does not equal left wing. Its a far more nuanced issue than that, and surely being a tax dodger millionaire disqualifies you from membership of the left wing club.

Yes, he may sing the left wing tune, but he's a complete fraud and a charlatan.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mick-wallace-off-the-hook-after-14m-tax-dodge/26891291.html

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258652#Comment_122258652

Sponger lifestyle, eh? I suppose you're a self-made man too? Pulled yourself up by your own bootstraps with help from no-one? No free education, no free healthcare, never got a rent supplement, never used the free roads, parks etc. Had to secure your own rights to organise, free speech, work safely etc.

'Sponger lifestyle'. Seriously mate, hang that **** up, it's a bad look.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258507#Comment_122258507

To echo the other comment here, nope. He uses the "anti-war" schtick as a mask to blame Western and European democracies whilst repeatedly voting in favour of war-mongers like Putin's Russia, as it literally invades the continent he's supposed to represent.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122258757#Comment_122258757

I'm fully aware of the nature of the anti-war movement and the broad spread of its base. Wallace was an anti-war campaigner and his activities gave him a demographic to tap into and a voter base outside of his locality for the European elections.

But I agree, he can go take a flying fk at a rolling donut now.

keeponhurling

Stop discussing Wallace, he wasn't reelected so we move on.

Using the interest on frozen Russian assets to provide $50bn to Ukraine is a fantastic move.

I wonder did Russia ever consider moving their national funds back to Russia prior to invasion ?

Also I like the fact that it's only interest.

Although it seems unlikely now, in a future state of Russia having those assets unfrozen would be a great way for a potential (friendlier) future Russia leader to gain credibility and increase standards of living across the country. It's leverage basically. It's money rightfully belonging to the Russian people, we just want to be sure it won't all end up pumping into their military for more invasions.